Had a look through this and can't find Hill st/Sefton street.
There's been hoardings around the site for ages now.
There's been hoardings around the site for ages now.
Glass half-full/empty project review thread
Not done one of these for a while, but I thought it would be cathartic.
I've been just as guilty of despondence of late as any others. Too many exciting schemes dead, with some poor decisions made. That said, I wanted to map out where we were up to with schemes.
As you can see there a number of schemes on site. We have been weaker. That said, it’s hugely skewed towards residential. Very little job creation.
Can people suggest other schemes to add and I’ll update it?
On site
1. One Islington Plaza – student/retail
2. Aura, student flats/retail
3. The Ascent, Low Hill - student flats/retail
4. Ion, Lime St – Student Flats, retail, hotel
5. Ropemaker Place, Renshaw Street - residential/retail
6. YPG, Renshaw Street, apartments/retail
7. Renshaw hall, apart-hotel
8. Unite, Skelhorne St, student/retail
9. Royal Hospital
10. Clatterbridge cancer Centre
11. Liverpool International College – education space/student digs
12. Proton Centre, science labs
13. Edge Lane retail park
14. Metalworks, Vauxhall Rd
15. Greenbank Student Village
16. Victoria St decepto-mesh car park/retail
17. X1 The Quarter
18. Dale St Shops
19. Easyhotel, Castle Street
20. Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse
21. Pembroke Studios, residential
22. Herculaneum Quay, residential
23. GC capital, Smithdown Lane, residential
24. Brewery works, office space, Cains brewery
25. Dale St apart-hotel (next to Ship n Mitre)
26. New Brunswick Quay
27. Devon House, student/retail
28. One Wolstenholme Square, mixed use
29. Kings Dock Mill – phase 2
30. Salisbury Place, Everton Brow - residential
31. Picton HMRI
32. Anfield HMRI –Keepmoat
33. Phoenix Place, Iliad Street - residential
34. St Michael’s 2 – residential
35. Pointfield development - residentail
36. The Weavers, Islington – student/retail
37. Diesel, Seel Street – mixed use
38. Fox St Village, residential
39. Times Hotel
40. Ropewalks, apartments – Wolstenholme square
41. Parliament residence, phase 1
42. Higsons brewery development, Baltic triangle
43. Cabin Club – Bar Soba
44. Stylewise development, Grinfield St
45. L1 studios, student flats, fleet
46. New Mersey cinema/retail
47. Hope St Hotel extension
48. Bridgewater St apartment scheme
49. The residence, 8 Water St
50. Produce Exchange, Victoria St
51. Silkhouse Court, residential
52. Colonial Chambers. Residential conversion
53. St Anne St (old lighting shop) - residential
Likely
1. Royal College of Physicians HQ
2. KQ MSCP
3. PSS replacement building, The Address @ One Wolstenhome
4. Vincent Hotel, Strand
5. The Hive, Princes Dock
6. Plaza 1821
7. Lexington, Princes Dock
8. Bevington Bush – phase1 or 2
9. Liverpool Cruise Liner terminal, Princes Dock
10. Everton stadium
11. Anfield Rd stadium redevelopment
12. Isle of Man ferry terminal, princes dock
13. Baltic Creative – next phase, 17,000 sq ft
14. ABC cinema, Lime Street
15. Municipal Buildings hotel
16. Shakespeare North, Prescot
17. Parliament residence, phase 2
18. 21 Strand St, 16 storey residential and possible retail/commercial
19. Kings Dock 4 storey call centre, 1500 jobs
20. 35 Bridgwater St Ghostbusters scheme
Possible
1. Infinity, Leeds St
2. Eldonians scheme for around Leeds St
3. One Park Lane/Heaps
4. Kingsley Place, Parlie
1. Mount Pleasant MSCP student flats scheme
2. Ten Street scheme, including circular theatre
3. Wider Anfield Project – including hotel
4. Wider KQL
5. Wolstenholme car park – Frensons
6. Festival Park
7. MSCP/Hotel supporting the new cruise liner terminal
8. Pall Mall Exchange
9. Marina Extension
10. Blundell St/Kitchen St apartment scheme
11. St James Court, Greenland St
12. Grafton St/Hill St apartment scheme
13. Roomz apaprt-hotel, church street (above TX maxx)
14. Apart-hotel above Cotswold/Church St
15. O'Grady Development | Stanhope Street/Ashwell Street | Apartments/Commercial Space | 4-5 Storeys
16. Duke St car park scheme
17. Duke St food market
18. The Keel, Phase 2 – residential
19. Art apartments, Tabley st
20. Former Bogdans, Iliad
21. 118-124 Duke St
22. Ovatus 1-2
23. Freemansons Row, Leeds St
24. Elequent Global, brassey St – funky modern build – probably too good to be true
25. Central Docks residential – Liverpool Waters
26. Chavesse Building, Lydia Ann St
27. Lewis’s redevelopment under new ownership (Circus)
Unlikely
1. Aspire – Pall Mall – by the Welsh caravan builders
2. Old National Express coach station scheme – as above
3. New Chinatown – anything by NPG etc.
I've been just as guilty of despondence of late as any others. Too many exciting schemes dead, with some poor decisions made. That said, I wanted to map out where we were up to with schemes.
As you can see there a number of schemes on site. We have been weaker. That said, it’s hugely skewed towards residential. Very little job creation.
Can people suggest other schemes to add and I’ll update it?
On site
1. One Islington Plaza – student/retail
2. Aura, student flats/retail
3. The Ascent, Low Hill - student flats/retail
4. Ion, Lime St – Student Flats, retail, hotel
5. Ropemaker Place, Renshaw Street - residential/retail
6. YPG, Renshaw Street, apartments/retail
7. Renshaw hall, apart-hotel
8. Unite, Skelhorne St, student/retail
9. Royal Hospital
10. Clatterbridge cancer Centre
11. Liverpool International College – education space/student digs
12. Proton Centre, science labs
13. Edge Lane retail park
14. Metalworks, Vauxhall Rd
15. Greenbank Student Village
16. Victoria St decepto-mesh car park/retail
17. X1 The Quarter
18. Dale St Shops
19. Easyhotel, Castle Street
20. Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse
21. Pembroke Studios, residential
22. Herculaneum Quay, residential
23. GC capital, Smithdown Lane, residential
24. Brewery works, office space, Cains brewery
25. Dale St apart-hotel (next to Ship n Mitre)
26. New Brunswick Quay
27. Devon House, student/retail
28. One Wolstenholme Square, mixed use
29. Kings Dock Mill – phase 2
30. Salisbury Place, Everton Brow - residential
31. Picton HMRI
32. Anfield HMRI –Keepmoat
33. Phoenix Place, Iliad Street - residential
34. St Michael’s 2 – residential
35. Pointfield development - residentail
36. The Weavers, Islington – student/retail
37. Diesel, Seel Street – mixed use
38. Fox St Village, residential
39. Times Hotel
40. Ropewalks, apartments – Wolstenholme square
41. Parliament residence, phase 1
42. Higsons brewery development, Baltic triangle
43. Cabin Club – Bar Soba
44. Stylewise development, Grinfield St
45. L1 studios, student flats, fleet
46. New Mersey cinema/retail
47. Hope St Hotel extension
48. Bridgewater St apartment scheme
49. The residence, 8 Water St
50. Produce Exchange, Victoria St
51. Silkhouse Court, residential
52. Colonial Chambers. Residential conversion
53. St Anne St (old lighting shop) - residential
Likely
1. Royal College of Physicians HQ
2. KQ MSCP
3. PSS replacement building, The Address @ One Wolstenhome
4. Vincent Hotel, Strand
5. The Hive, Princes Dock
6. Plaza 1821
7. Lexington, Princes Dock
8. Bevington Bush – phase1 or 2
9. Liverpool Cruise Liner terminal, Princes Dock
10. Everton stadium
11. Anfield Rd stadium redevelopment
12. Isle of Man ferry terminal, princes dock
13. Baltic Creative – next phase, 17,000 sq ft
14. ABC cinema, Lime Street
15. Municipal Buildings hotel
16. Shakespeare North, Prescot
17. Parliament residence, phase 2
18. 21 Strand St, 16 storey residential and possible retail/commercial
19. Kings Dock 4 storey call centre, 1500 jobs
20. 35 Bridgwater St Ghostbusters scheme
Possible
1. Infinity, Leeds St
2. Eldonians scheme for around Leeds St
3. One Park Lane/Heaps
4. Kingsley Place, Parlie
1. Mount Pleasant MSCP student flats scheme
2. Ten Street scheme, including circular theatre
3. Wider Anfield Project – including hotel
4. Wider KQL
5. Wolstenholme car park – Frensons
6. Festival Park
7. MSCP/Hotel supporting the new cruise liner terminal
8. Pall Mall Exchange
9. Marina Extension
10. Blundell St/Kitchen St apartment scheme
11. St James Court, Greenland St
12. Grafton St/Hill St apartment scheme
13. Roomz apaprt-hotel, church street (above TX maxx)
14. Apart-hotel above Cotswold/Church St
15. O'Grady Development | Stanhope Street/Ashwell Street | Apartments/Commercial Space | 4-5 Storeys
16. Duke St car park scheme
17. Duke St food market
18. The Keel, Phase 2 – residential
19. Art apartments, Tabley st
20. Former Bogdans, Iliad
21. 118-124 Duke St
22. Ovatus 1-2
23. Freemansons Row, Leeds St
24. Elequent Global, brassey St – funky modern build – probably too good to be true
25. Central Docks residential – Liverpool Waters
26. Chavesse Building, Lydia Ann St
27. Lewis’s redevelopment under new ownership (Circus)
Unlikely
1. Aspire – Pall Mall – by the Welsh caravan builders
2. Old National Express coach station scheme – as above
3. New Chinatown – anything by NPG etc.
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Couldn't help yourself could you :lol:16. Victoria St decepto-mesh car park/retail
The small corner plot? Refused permission.Had a look through this and can't find Hill st/Sefton street.
There's been hoardings around the site for ages now.
The larger James Troop site? There are plans, I believe.
Blundell Street is apparently on site in January
Not only is the glass half empty, Manchester drunk what was left while Liverpool was navel gazing and London then took back the glass.
It’s all residential because unless it’s low paid, precarious and temporary you will have to get HS3 to Manchester for a better job. This is already the case for many people forced to commute around and out of a city of the same size each day.
This is the strange warped idea that we’ve being ushered towards seemingly without any resistance from our elected representatives. It’s as though someone swallowed that idea that in Liverpool, you know as we’re all dockers we love low paid and precarious whereas in Manchester they’re more bred to do the monotanenous, stable, repetitive work - perfect for basing all the finance and so on.
Bollocks I know but could it be the mentality driving the 21st century economies of both cities? Clearly there are arguably parallels. There is a determination not to build offices in Liverpool and with the exception of the RCP there is a fierce determination not to allow us to be a HQ for any organisation and public body going forward.
If however you want to get pissed, see the boats, watch a show, see a museum etc come on down.
This is the strange warped idea that we’ve being ushered towards seemingly without any resistance from our elected representatives. It’s as though someone swallowed that idea that in Liverpool, you know as we’re all dockers we love low paid and precarious whereas in Manchester they’re more bred to do the monotanenous, stable, repetitive work - perfect for basing all the finance and so on.
Bollocks I know but could it be the mentality driving the 21st century economies of both cities? Clearly there are arguably parallels. There is a determination not to build offices in Liverpool and with the exception of the RCP there is a fierce determination not to allow us to be a HQ for any organisation and public body going forward.
If however you want to get pissed, see the boats, watch a show, see a museum etc come on down.
Well I must disagree with you. It looks like that if an HS3 is built it won't come to Liverpool. You'll have to get a Pacer instead.It’s all residential because unless it’s low paid, precarious and temporary you will have to get HS3 to Manchester for a better job. This is already the case for many people forced to commute around and out of a city of the same size each day.
This is the strange warped idea that we’ve being ushered towards seemingly without any resistance from our elected representatives. It’s as though someone swallowed that idea that in Liverpool, you know as we’re all dockers we love low paid and precarious whereas in Manchester they’re more bred to do the monotanenous, stable, repertitive work - perfect for basing all the finance and so on.
Bollocks I know but could it be the mentality driving the 21st century economies of both cities? Clearly there are arguably parallels. There is a determination not to build offices in Liverpool and with the exception of the RCP there is a fierce determination not to allow us to be a HQ for any organisation and public body going forward.
One who finds tedium in an assertion that the glass is half full would be better disposed outside of a thread titled 'Glass half-full/empty project review thread'. Likewise those made brown by the opposite assertion.
Sorry you’re right. I’m half waiting for us to get second hands trams from Manchester as let’s face it, if they’re trying to make a regional capital based on London then isn’t that the usual practice? Spend on the capital and when they’re finished with the trains palm them off with a lick of paint to the regions?Well I must disagree with you. It looks like that if an HS3 is built it won't come to Liverpool. You'll have to get a Pacer instead.
A full glass of bitter
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A full glass of bitter
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Are you hanging around waiting for a response?
I’m still confident about the Anwyl ( Pall Mall) development. It’s too easy to become impatient.
It’s all residential because unless it’s low paid, precarious and temporary you will have to get HS3 to Manchester for a better job. This is already the case for many people forced to commute around and out of a city of the same size each day.
This is the strange warped idea that we’ve being ushered towards seemingly without any resistance from our elected representatives. It’s as though someone swallowed that idea that in Liverpool, you know as we’re all dockers we love low paid and precarious whereas in Manchester they’re more bred to do the monotanenous, stable, repetitive work - perfect for basing all the finance and so on.
Bollocks I know but could it be the mentality driving the 21st century economies of both cities? Clearly there are arguably parallels. There is a determination not to build offices in Liverpool and with the exception of the RCP there is a fierce determination not to allow us to be a HQ for any organisation and public body going forward.
If however you want to get pissed, see the boats, watch a show, see a museum etc come on down.
There are plenty of people earning very comfortable livings in Liverpool.
No where near as many as there should be.There are plenty of people earning very comfortable livings in Liverpool.
Yes, but it is not all low pay, insecure jobs. Even skilled tradesmen can make a reasonable living. I’ve had some decoration done recently - and most of the good decorators are booked up for months in advance.No where near as many as there should be.
I know that believe me. I’m talking about the fact that across a number of core industries the jobs just are not there. There are no offices being built, the city is not being marketed as a place to base a major commercial hub however nearby cities and large towns are.Yes, but it is not all low pay, insecure jobs. Even skilled tradesmen can make a reasonable living. I’ve had some decoration done recently - and most of the good decorators are booked up for months in advance.
Liverpool is however openly allowing a handful of companies local to the city to run riot turning what’s left of our office stock into cheap conversions to residential. This wouldn’t be that big an issue if Liverpool Waters had a big plan for commercial or Pall Mall was on the scale of say kings cross or Manchester’s spinningfields but this isn’t happening.
What is happening is yet another incarnation of the development long promised for the space formerly occupied by Liverpool exchange station, albeit a smaller scheme each time its wheeled only to not happen and then on top of that we have a bung to a member of the LEP in the form of yet another FCH scheme being this time a low rise, low aspirational call centre on kings dock which will no doubt be converted to residential too soon enough.
If you mean business on building office space to bring in major blue chip and medium to large scale organisations with the talent it brings in and the opportunity it creates then you build big, you go after those companies. You don’t have one tiny office block on kings dock, one tiny office block on princes dock proposed and a few lacklustre proposals for pall mall.
There should be a massive strategy and master plan to create a completely new northern hub for office and commercial bigger than anything outside of London across moorfields, exchange station and pall mall, old hall st, tithebarn st and dale st involving the overhaul of moorfields station, the removal of poor architecture for new, large scale grade A office space and the development of plots still empty after 30 years.
It is true that Liverpool does need more offices & office jobs, and the possibilities for certain types of higher renumeration work that can go with them; even though not all office work is highly paid. But Liverpool is not without offices and people working in them, and of the people that do, not all are low paid at all. There are many people earning very comfortable livings in accountancy and insurance, for example. And I'm sure there are many people working in Manchester and elsewhere who are just sat at a computer all day long, in a big, corporate shop(office) floor, earning, perhaps, just about the average national salary.
It’s not all about big, corporate offices - (although of course Liverpool does need to develop this sector further). There are smaller, local businesses and start-ups too.
One of Britain’s top ten most highly paid barristers lives and works in Liverpool. He’s a criminal defence QC, and yet considering his very high earnings, lives relatively modestly just off Menlove Avenue. I happen to know this because some years ago I sat through a particularly awful murder trial, in which he was the counsel for the defence.
And not everyone living in one of the many prestigious/smart/desirable homes in Liverpool, Sefton or The Wirral commutes to Manchester or Chester for work. They work in and around Liverpool. Doctors, surgeons, head teachers, architects, accountants, engineers, all sorts....and even people who manage hotels, large chain stores and restaurants.
Earning higher than the national average wage does not necessarily get you anywhere if you are living in London, for example, and can’t afford to buy a house in an area of the city in which you’d like to live. Earnings and the cost of living do not necessarily match up. I’ve had many tradesmen doing work in my home over the years, and if it’s an extended job then you end up chatting, and from this I know that you can work as a joiner, or a plumber, or a gas engineer and own your own home, run a vehicle, eat out at weekends, and take holidays in Florida or Dubai. I had a window cleaner ( of the traditional ladder variety) who used to fly out to visit his son in Los Angeles, and who owned his own, albeit modest, home in Aigburth. It is possible to live relatively comfortably doing a variety of work.The city needs to grow all of its sectors, including manufacturing, so that it can offer a variety of suitable work types for a variety of people. Not everyone wants or needs to work in an office.
It’s not all about big, corporate offices - (although of course Liverpool does need to develop this sector further). There are smaller, local businesses and start-ups too.
One of Britain’s top ten most highly paid barristers lives and works in Liverpool. He’s a criminal defence QC, and yet considering his very high earnings, lives relatively modestly just off Menlove Avenue. I happen to know this because some years ago I sat through a particularly awful murder trial, in which he was the counsel for the defence.
And not everyone living in one of the many prestigious/smart/desirable homes in Liverpool, Sefton or The Wirral commutes to Manchester or Chester for work. They work in and around Liverpool. Doctors, surgeons, head teachers, architects, accountants, engineers, all sorts....and even people who manage hotels, large chain stores and restaurants.
Earning higher than the national average wage does not necessarily get you anywhere if you are living in London, for example, and can’t afford to buy a house in an area of the city in which you’d like to live. Earnings and the cost of living do not necessarily match up. I’ve had many tradesmen doing work in my home over the years, and if it’s an extended job then you end up chatting, and from this I know that you can work as a joiner, or a plumber, or a gas engineer and own your own home, run a vehicle, eat out at weekends, and take holidays in Florida or Dubai. I had a window cleaner ( of the traditional ladder variety) who used to fly out to visit his son in Los Angeles, and who owned his own, albeit modest, home in Aigburth. It is possible to live relatively comfortably doing a variety of work.The city needs to grow all of its sectors, including manufacturing, so that it can offer a variety of suitable work types for a variety of people. Not everyone wants or needs to work in an office.
I know all this. My mother is a head of department teacher and her job is not in the city centre. Many of my family have professional jobs, that’s not the point and to highlight the fact that many people have to leave the city because they can’t find an aspirational or education connected job is not to suggest those who do have any lesser a career - they’re they exception and have been lucky.It is true that Liverpool does need more offices & office jobs, and the possibilities for certain types of higher renumeration work that can go with them; even though not all office work is highly paid. But Liverpool is not without offices and people working in them, and of the people that do, not all are low paid at all. There are many people earning very comfortable livings in accountancy and insurance, for example. And I'm sure there are many people working in Manchester and elsewhere who are just sat at a computer all day long, in a big, corporate shop(office) floor, earning, perhaps, just about the average national salary.
It’s not all about big, corporate offices - (although of course Liverpool does need to develop this sector further). There are smaller, local businesses and start-ups too.
One of Britain’s top ten most highly paid barristers lives and works in Liverpool. He’s a criminal defence QC, and yet considering his very high earnings, lives relatively modestly just off Menlove Avenue. I happen to know this because some years ago I sat through a particularly awful murder trial, in which he was the counsel for the defence.
And not everyone living in one of the many prestigious/smart/desirable homes in Liverpool, Sefton or The Wirral commutes to Manchester or Chester for work. They work in and around Liverpool. Doctors, surgeons, head teachers, architects, accountants, engineers, all sorts....and even people who manage hotels, large chain stores and restaurants.
Earning higher than the national average wage does not necessarily get you anywhere if you are living in London, for example, and can’t afford to buy a house in an area of the city in which you’d like to live. Earnings and the cost of living do not necessarily match up. I’ve had many tradesmen doing work in my home over the years, and if it’s an extended job then you end up chatting, and from this I know that you can work as a joiner, or a plumber, or a gas engineer and own your own home, run a vehicle, eat out at weekends, and take holidays in Florida or Dubai. I had a window cleaner ( of the traditional ladder variety) who used to fly out to visit his son in Los Angeles, and who owned his own, albeit modest, home in Aigburth. It is possible to live relatively comfortably doing a variety of work.The city needs to grow all of its sectors, including manufacturing, so that it can offer a variety of suitable work types for a variety of people. Not everyone wants or needs to work in an office.
So many people I know in London have had to leave Liverpool (and other cities, but our problem is acute) and I know many who would love to live there but across design and creative, financial, legal, construction, the media (a big one) and others there is no oppportunity at the scale you would expect. If you do a search there are however a smattering more in Manchester if you’re willing to commute.
We just keep focusing elsewhere and I think a lot of it is just noise because we have been designated a place to sleep rather than work. The vast majority of what is happening in the city is residential followed by what you do with your wages once earned instead of providing a base to earn.
We are seeing a massive effort to link us ever quicker to a neighbouring northern city where the situation is clearly different and a clear strategy to cut us off from the rest of the core cities with a plethora of excuses for keeping previous links cut off that would otherwise do away with this peripheral perception we’ve developed.
It’s almost like we’re being viewed in the same way as Manchester views Rochdale or Oldham, places that have lost some of their rail connectivity to elsewhere to be replaced with a tram link just to Manchester. A satellite town.
Our airport is ever more ushered into a position that makes it harder to grow and being ever more encroached on by residential development and its rail connectivity compromised. Manchester airport however getting HS2 and if we’re lucky our HS3 link will have to dogleg to it before our own airport gets a measily rail link a mile or so from the Mainline.
All this helps to concentrate efforts on Manchester and sideline Liverpool but hey, we have ‘proposals, proposals!’ coming out of our ears for apartment towers and ice rinks and soon enough if we’re lucky a string of candy floss shops and **** and poppers stands. Maybe even a Big Dipper.
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