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Broadwater a proposed site for terminal
Shannon Willoughby, chief reporter | June 19th, 2012


THE Broadwater Parklands has been proposed as a site for a $35 million cruise ship terminal under a plan that could see mega-ships as big as the Queen Mary 2 dock on the Gold Coast.

Council documents obtained by the Bulletin show the jetty in front of the Parklands is one of three places where a proposed low-cost terminal could be built.

Under the plan, ships would enter through a dredged Seaway -- which is 40m wider than Fort Lauderdale in the US -- swing left at Wavebreak Island and turn right to dock at the jetty.

The two other locations are along the Spit: one north of Sea World and the other at the Seaway entrance.

Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate said he was confident plans for the terminal would be ready within 12 months.

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The new mayor, who has put the terminal on his checklist, believed the "modest" terminal would attract ships such as the Queen Mary 2 and the Queen Victoria, as well as at least 60 smaller vessels a year.

"It will create an economic buzz. On top of the tourism aspect, the ships will be paying docking fees of between $20,000 and $40,000," he said.

"My vision is to see the mega cruises -- ships bigger than 280m -- here.

"We want to see some as big as the Queen Mary or the Queen Victoria on the Gold Coast.

"That will signal to the rest of the world that we are here and we are a serious tourist destination. We'll be the first port of call (after Sydney).

"All the new ships are bigger than 300m -- we need to make sure we are prepared for that because Brisbane has a size limit and won't be able to take them."

Cr Tate said Brisbane attracted more than 130 ships a year and the Gold Coast was vying for half of them to stop at Southport.

He said he wanted the budget terminal -- which could be expanded in years to come -- to be funded by the Federal Government and the Gold Coast City Council.

"The State Government has told us they have no money and that's fine. All they have to do is give us the land," said Mr Tate.

He said he would like Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, tipped to be the next Prime Minister, to commit $15 million in funding before the next election.

Cr Tate also said the Broadwater would be dredged through a Public Private Partnership and that a proposed boutique casino at the Spit could help fund the on-going cost.

"Casino taxes and other charges need to be quarantined here and put back into the Spit," said Cr Tate.

The mayor said he would wait until the State Government-pledged Gold Coast Waterways Authority was announced and liaise with it about the three locations.

"I know where I would like to see it but I will take advice from the experts," he said.

Cruise ship terminal lobbyist and boating expert Rob Mundle said the big ships could "easily" fit through the Seaway.

"It is very important we keep the momentum going, not only to build the terminal, but to allow the cruise ship companies to start scheduling Gold Coast stops," Mr Mundle said.

Boating experts said of the three locations, the Broadwater Parklands proposal would be the most expensive and difficult to achieve.
 

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I read about this, but basically there is not a hope in hell of this working.... and why the Broadwater parklands? Stick it at the Labrador end of the parklands....
 

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I think their reasoning for the proposed location is it being closer to Southport, which is more built up then suburban Labrador. Also isn't the tram line running adjacent to the terminal location?
 

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It's about 500m from the tram line. Though I admit, the Broadwater Parklands would be the best position for it, it will never see the light of day. And a $30m terminal I can't imagine being much special. Probably similar to the tarmac treatment you get at the airport (if that). The only possible way, I'd say, would be an offshore terminal. Anything else will require constant dredging of the Broadwater and will have to fight off some stiff opponents (namely the 'Save Our Spit' folk).
 

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It's about 500m from the tram line. Though I admit, the Broadwater Parklands would be the best position for it, it will never see the light of day. And a $30m terminal I can't imagine being much special. Probably similar to the tarmac treatment you get at the airport (if that). The only possible way, I'd say, would be an offshore terminal. Anything else will require constant dredging of the Broadwater and will have to fight off some stiff opponents (namely the 'Save Our Spit' folk).
The SAVE OUR SPIT folk can go shag a goat! There's only two types of people that appreciate the Spit! That's Bogans with kids who can't afford the parking in Surfers and 50 year old gay men looking for a quickie in the bushes at night!

If we leave the Spit the way it is, the economic loss would be very high from lost development and tourism. Most cities in Australia are forging ahead with their own water front redevelopments, Docklands Melbourne, Barangaroo Sydney, The Perth City Waterfront and even Brisbane transforming areas like Newstead and Hamiliton!
 

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The SAVE OUR SPIT folk can go shag a goat! There's only two types of people that appreciate the Spit! That's Bogans with kids who can't afford the parking in Surfers and 50 year old gay men looking for a quickie in the bushes at night!

If we leave the Spit the way it is, the economic loss would be very high from lost development and tourism. Most cities in Australia are forging ahead with their own water front redevelopments, Docklands Melbourne, Barangaroo Sydney, The Perth City Waterfront and even Brisbane transforming areas like Newstead and Hamiliton!
:lol: made me laugh. so true. The spit is really nothing worth saving, I'd go as far as saying it's an embarrassment. Pothole after pothole, having to dodge dog turd, bogans in their 'worked up' cars cruising up and down. It's a shame that again, the noisy majority can get their way.
 

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^^ Don't forget the drug dealers!

The Broadwater Parklands site would make even more sense as a site when you factor in the new Casino and/or Sunland's project. It could make for a terminal where the ship is effectively enveloped by tourist attractions even before docking! Even with an el-cheapo terminal, the attractions around the site would make up for it in my opinion!
 

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^^ The broad water parklands is on the opposite side to the mooted casino, isnt it?
 

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^^ Yeah it is. I was more meaning that from the ship all you would see are things like Seaworld, Palazzo Versace, Marina Mirage, Casino & Sunland development (if not one and the same).
 

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And the view looking south would be impressive also! The Terminal itself doesn't have to be a masterpiece, after all, the tourist disembarking will want to get out and see all the attractions, from the Hinterland to the beach, from the Spit to Coolangatta!
 

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The fact that one of Australia's biggest tourist destinations does not have a cruise ship terminal is simply a sheer embarassment to this part of the world.

Moving ahead as a city and as a tourist destination means going outside of the box. The sky wont fall in if a terminal is built.

The Broadwater is as iconic to the Gold Coast as Sydney Harbour is to Sydney. Embrace the opportunities that it offers. A real pity that locals regard it as a backwater. :(
 

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This is exactly whats needed in SEQ particularly to boost the Gold Coast and theme parks. The Brisbane terminal serves a purpose as a home port for outgoing cruises but certainly not as a good port-of-call for overseas tourists. Good on ya Tom Tate.. its great to finally see some vision!
 

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How about some kind of floating cruise ship terminal.. Pretty sure i have heard about them in other countries
 

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:lol: made me laugh. so true. The spit is really nothing worth saving, I'd go as far as saying it's an embarrassment. Pothole after pothole, having to dodge dog turd, bogans in their 'worked up' cars cruising up and down. It's a shame that again, the noisy majority can get their way.
Laugh all you like. I think most of the spit is nothing that special either, I think some more development there is ok, as long as beach access and any native plants/trees are not interfered with.

However, expect massive opposition if funding is secured and this is approved.
Fishing could also be temporarily affected depending on what dredging would need to take place, so commercial and recreational fishermen will complain.

This is never going to happen, so dream on.
 

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As I said, I'm well aware it will never happen. I remember the last time the 'Save our Spit' crew set out to take down the whole idea of the cruise ship terminal. As for native plants and trees - have you seen how many times that area has been burned to a crisp? Constantly, they're having to replant them.
 

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The Gold Coast would really benefit from a terminal, think of all the day trippers that would come to town, see the beach, Q1, maybe a theme park etc. It's crazy that one doesn't exist atm.

The terminal would have to be future-proofed to be able to a cater for the biggest classes of ships and that would help to bring more of the big vessels to Australasia anyway.
 

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It really is surprising that a ocean front city with its economy based on tourism doesn't have a cruise ship terminal..

Maybe the GCCC / QLD Govt need to make some land swap agreement, i.e. they will turn some other green zone on the gold coast into a state forest/national park/protected area in exchange for developing a section of the spit.
 

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^^ I think that's effectively been agreed to. From memory, the Qld Govt has said that while it does support a GC Cruise ship terminal, it's not in an economic position to assist it financially, but it would provide whatever other support it can, and I think that includes investigating a land swap if required.

For the record, Tate is actually setting off for the US on a self-funded tour that will include visiting Miami to see and learn about their cruise ship terminal, and to Las Vegas to talk to casino heads about a second GC casino and also to see their Smith Performing Arts Centre which opened back in March. Maybe, just maybe, we might see some action on it in coming months!
 
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