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I know I am getting well ahead of myself here, considering the damn thing doesn't even exist as a 17km stub line yet. However, I have been thinking about what a conceptual network for the high-frequency elements of the Gold Coast's public transport system will look in 50/100 years time (assuming we aren't all flying, teleporting or using transfer booths or the less glamorous giant vacuum tubes by then).

I have prepared a Google Earth KMZ file showing some of my thoughts, which is being hosted by a friend at http://www.brisbanebusoperators.info/GoldCoastRapidTransit.kmz. I also have a detailed 'paper napkin' style Word doc if anybody wants a copy (although I am unable to upload attachments it seems.)
 

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Anyone know when will they start the construction?
I know the Gold Cast council tried to start a ferry service
 

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the decision on the GCRT is either due later this month of next month, at which time they will decide on the mode of transport. Then after that the have to figure out the final route and crap like that, so we might start seeing construction maybe the start of next year.

also, this just goes to show how stupid the mayor of the Gold Coast really is, read article below.
http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2008/06/21/12741_gold-coast-news.html

im not going to post it here, because i think you need to go to the actual website for the full effect.
 

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oh yeah, total dumb ass, wants to save $200million on the rapid transit system and put it towards a $10 billion tunnel under surfers, which would toll each car $8 or $9 to use it and do nothing to solve our traffic(which really isn't THAT bad).

Oh and on he promised this in the 2004 campaign, did nothing about it during his last term, then brought it up again the night the budget was delivered, even though there wasn't a single word about a tunnel in the budget itself.
 

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There was a news item on Channel 9 last week about a protest meeting that was held by northern GC residents against light rail but were in favour of a bus system. They felt light rail would be an intrusion on their way of life. They have definately been brainwashed! Give me a light-rail system servicing my neighbourhood anyday!
 

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Well if Cr Clark give up the light rail system
i dont mind them using the money to put light rails on top of our SE Busway
 

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the decision on the GCRT is either due later this month of next month, at which time they will decide on the mode of transport. Then after that the have to figure out the final route and crap like that, so we might start seeing construction maybe the start of next year.

also, this just goes to show how stupid the mayor of the Gold Coast really is, read article below.
http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2008/06/21/12741_gold-coast-news.html

im not going to post it here, because i think you need to go to the actual website for the full effect.
Happily he hasn't been able to deliver on any of his promises. Better a lame duck mayor than one who has actual political clout because he commands a majority of councillors and will misapply the city's funds on dopey projects in opposition to the city and regional planning instruments.
 

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What about a monorail for the GC? Maybe a monorail from GC to Sunshine Coast, with occasional stops every few suburbs to provide an alternative way to travel quickly from one place to another, and stops in Brisbane too? Would it be feasable?
 

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Oh do't even get started on monorail. that's been and gone. They started on one (Casino-Oasis), but the whole concept was shot down because apartment owners didn't want to lose their views and their privacy. It was originally going to go from Pacific Fair to Seaworld i think. I think an extension to Pacific Fair would at the very least be brilliant. Would get heaps more people on it.
 

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Ive always thought a monorail could work well for the Gold Coast, im not sure on what speed and how many people they can carry, so i dont know if it would be feasible as a proper piece of PT though.
 

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What about a monorail for the GC? Maybe a monorail from GC to Sunshine Coast, with occasional stops every few suburbs to provide an alternative way to travel quickly from one place to another, and stops in Brisbane too? Would it be feasable?
Ive always thought a monorail could work well for the Gold Coast, im not sure on what speed and how many people they can carry, so i dont know if it would be feasible as a proper piece of PT though.
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The Broadbeach monorail is a private affair, not usual PT.

With coastal parts of Surfers, Broadbeach, Main Beach & Southport respectively some of the highest density in Qld, space constraints on corridors for light rail or bus are inevitable.

A few posts in the ground, 1 sq metre or so for a monorail would be much more suitable for this area of the Gold Coast and save much time in decision making and heartache.

The way the GCCC is meddling in this process, it could see no/significant delay to any project.
 

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Man someone needs to toss that son of a bitch out of office. I cant beleive he is serious about that as an option, ESPECIALLY for a city that needs public transport to get tourists around... makes my blood boil!!!!
 

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Investigating options have been very narrow minded, light rail or bus and that's all.

Nothing innovative that would balance moving large numbers of people with as least impact as possible.

There's not much support on the coast for either idea being investigated, hence looking wider is needed.
 

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Monorail doesn't have a really high capacity, is slow and with the existing one between the Oasis and Jupiters, passengers are confined to each little 6 seater carriage, therefore no internal passenger movement
 

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Investigating options have been very narrow minded, light rail or bus and that's all.

Nothing innovative that would balance moving large numbers of people with as least impact as possible.

There's not much support on the coast for either idea being investigated, hence looking wider is needed.
I think you'll find the lack of support has more to do with resumption scare campaigns, a lack of a public transport culture and a lack of true communication (on the part of the project team) and understanding (on the part of the public) about what the project really entails.

As far as impact is concerned, I support anything that make a positive step to reduce available road space in favour of public transport. It is a much more efficient use of the available corridors than trying to tuck it in quietly and consequently encouraging more driving in built up areas on roads as wide as they are now.

Based on densities and projected boardings, I am satisfied that either the bus or light rail option will work in the next 10 years, but light rail will be needed for a future proof system. Other modes aren't going to work due to their lower capacity (personal rapid transit, guided bus), not involving any sort of actual time-saving benefit (tunnelling for any mode) or are going to be far too expensive for the benefit conferred (metro, heavy rail).
 

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yeah really intelligent contribution to the thread.. :eek:hno:

Monorail doesn't have a really high capacity, is slow and with the existing one between the Oasis and Jupiters, passengers are confined to each little 6 seater carriage, therefore no internal passenger movement
well that is old technology, if you compare something like the Las Vegas monorail which can have 40/carriage and gets up to speeds of around 80km/hr which is pretty good in a inner city area, also considering it has one of the smallest footprints for any kind of pt its not that bad these days.
 

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That's right, there are more modern examples. Oasis version could be doing a disservice. As said, the footprint is very small.

Any kind of quality, new PT infrastructure will increase property & land values rather than usual NIMBY'ing of privacy concerns - curtains are in all these skyscrapers.
 
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