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This thread will showcase the proposed new Gondola or Monorail that will link the 2 ends of the Durban Beachfront with the ICC. It will also cover all steps leading up to the final choice at the end of 2006.

In November 2005 a dedicated luxury bus service will operate on the proposed route as an interim measure to gather info about the popularity of the service and if the correct route has been chosen, so that any problems can be ironed out before construction on the permanent transport system commences
 

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All the following information and graphics come from www.newmediageek.com and is the work of Jonathan Commons.

THE GONDOLA PROPOSAL

A proposed elevated transport system in the form of a cable way system utilizing gondolas was part of the Tsogo Sun bid for a casino license for Durban, South Africa. The bidding process required that every bid include capital expenditure that would add value to the area surrounding the casino site. Tsogo Sun is a black empowerment consortium that was selected as one of the preferred bidders that would would be permited to proceed to the next level of the bidding process. As part of their bid Tsogo Sun proposed an elevated transport system that would run the length of Durban beachfronts so called Golden Mile thereby linking the casino site at one end to the proposed harbour waterfront development at the other.

As part of the next phase in the bidding process the client was required to present their proposals to the Durban Council.

A trip on the the Golden Mile Gondola would begin at one of the stations along the route. The main station located near the casino would comprise boarding platform, workshops and retail circulation area for passengers. As the animation would only cover the first leg of the route only the main station and first station would be modeled. The stations were modeled from preliminary sketches by local architect and art deco enthusiast John Royal.

Many of the old hotels along Durbans beachfront were built during the 30's as were many of the buildings in other parts of the city. These buildings reflect the art deco style of the period thus the design of the proposed Tsogo Sun Casino reflects many elements of the style. As a extension of the casino the cable way stations are a continuation of the theme.

To clearly illustrate the operation of the gondola system including issues of concern such as disabled access and general ease of boarding, the basic mechanics of the drive system were modeled and animated to show the station platform in operation.

Durban has on its coastline some indigenous coastal dunes whose preservation are of particular interest to many local environmental groups. The client wanted the animation to accurately show the height and shape of the dunes complete with vegetation in relation to the cable way, pylons and gondolas.

Cameras were setup to follow the virtual gondolas along the first part of the route to the first station, cameras were also setup along the route to enable them to "pick up" and follow the gondola as it passed by. These provided for some dramatic animation.

Although the scene was not modeled in high detail the local landmarks and buildings that were included in the scene provided familiar surroundings that placed the elevated transport system in its proposed context.

An important consideration would be the height at which the gondolas would travel and their effect on the view from surrounding hotels as well as their effect on the privacy of hotel quests and residents occupying rooms on the lower floors.

To produce accurate visuals showing the impact of the system on the view, gondolas and pylons were accurately super imposed over photographs taken from various angles and elevations.

The stations by nature of their function are large structures, to enable the gondolas to enter and exit while still maintaining adequate ground clearance, as well as house the drive gear and mechanics of the system. The first station was also photo compo sited to give illustrate its impact and give an impression of its scale.

The route


The Suncoast Station







Passing the sand dunes







The following are the superimposed versions of what the Gondola System will look like.










The Mini Town Station

 

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The second proposal was the MONORAIL PROPOSAL

It would utilise the same route





 

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I think the Gondola is a more sensible first step.

The monorail LOOKS great - but I think it sensibly should be tied in with the Victoria Embankment/ CBD so you can take a train non-stop from Blue Lagoon to Butlers Wharf via the Point. That must be >10km and cool enough a journey that people would do it just for the ride. Just the beachfront is a waste for a monorail.

Or is this the intention anyway?

I think the price is around US$2m per km - making that a R120m project. To be commercially viable it would have to make above R70 000 per day PROFIT, 365 days per year. I reckon that would be cool enough to be subsidised a bit by the City.
 

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The initial plan is for the line to run from the Suncoast casino at the north, to the point waterfront in the south. There will be a transfer station at north beach, where a line will go inland to the icc, city hall and all the way to warrick junction, covering the cbd in between.

Future plans include extending the line to the Kings Park Complex for the 2010 world cup, and i think in a much long term focus, include a line along the esplanade that goes past wilsons whalf and onto the warrick staton and line.
 

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absulate waste of money. Durban is at no where hear saturation point with either traffic/ tourists/cars or population to justify such an extravagance. I mean to link the point with the casino , are those the only 2 things in Durban to link together??
I see a monorail happening in dubai, it has a a feasability which requires moving 450 000 per day to break even and there will be 15million tourists and 2.5 million people living here when its finnished.
campare to Durban with like less than a million tourists (proper paying tourists who will use the thing) and 3.5 million people whio live no where near the thing and the feasabilty study must be writen in aztec if they think it can work.
I do feasability studies for a living and there is no way this can work, never in a million years.
I hate to sound negative but a couple hundred million could be spend on so much more to benifit the masses (better roads,public transport etc) instead of a white elephant to boost the egos of a couple of polititians
 

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nice concept, not feasible really, IMO, and its a nice idea but durban is just hosting a soccer world cup semi-final not the olympic games, it just seems premature..
 

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its not for the soccer world cup and its money that they have been given for this specific purpose, if they do not use it, it is R100 million of wasted cash, for it is not allowed to be used for any other purpose.

Whatever happens, council will decide by the end of 2007 whether they will build it or not, for completion by either 2009 or 2010.

and mo, we not necessarily only hosting a semi final...NOTHING is cast in any form at this stage.
 

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absulate waste of money. Durban is at no where hear saturation point with either traffic/ tourists/cars or population to justify such an extravagance. I mean to link the point with the casino , are those the only 2 things in Durban to link together??
I see a monorail happening in dubai, it has a a feasability which requires moving 450 000 per day to break even and there will be 15million tourists and 2.5 million people living here when its finnished.
campare to Durban with like less than a million tourists (proper paying tourists who will use the thing) and 3.5 million people whio live no where near the thing and the feasabilty study must be writen in aztec if they think it can work.
I do feasability studies for a living and there is no way this can work, never in a million years.
I hate to sound negative but a couple hundred million could be spend on so much more to benifit the masses (better roads,public transport etc) instead of a white elephant to boost the egos of a couple of polititians
:lol: quite right SA Boy.

I wonder - if the council had a one-off one billion rand to spend to improve the city. What would YOU spend it on. My style of public spending is always toward leveraging other capital investments...

My list:
- increase the number of planning approval people to cut the building approval process
- increase building-skills training subsidies and grants to reduce building costs whist improving average skill levels
- increase funding for small business development agencies
- expand mini-loan agencies
- improve security at key points in city
- provide funding to keep vagrants and street kids out of sight
- funding to think of smart ways to encourage less littering
- Agency to get eyesore buildings fixed up or demolished
- Provide additional funding to the best township schools so that the brightest kids (top 10%) have outstanding educations.
- I would also feed-forward funding for public buildings to be built when the current building cycle tapers off and costs come down

I reckon that much of that would cost R200m per year for 5 years. Hopefully better than a freaking monorail and a 90,000 seater stadium in Westville...

Now think what one could do with the money to be spent on the Gautrain!
 

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this stadium in westville is another pipe dream simmilr to the INTERNATIONAL airport in Bisho or the 100 000 seater staduim in the North West somewhere. I mean cities like Sydney dont have 100 000 seater stadiums.
The stadium Idea is OK if it replaces the existing Durban eyesore of a soccer stadium and they upgrade the entire presinct, Multi story parking, better public transport from a park and ride concept , much better landscaping (it is embarresing how bad the area around kings park and the vigin health club is).
Kings Park will always have a population driven by the rugby factor and other events, but what is going to fill up a massive soccer stadium, considering the 2 most popular clubs in the countryare in JHB and even Durban people support them. Can you imagine amazulu getting 20 000 to a game never mind 100 000. so this will be another african white elephant that cost taxpayers millions a year in maintenence and upkeep.
Heres a novel idea, upgrade Kings Park to 75 000 by filling in the 2 ends and presto a finnished PAID FOR stadium ready for the world cup.
 

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well the kings park stadium seems to be the likely winner. Plus they plan on building a hotel and an apartment building. the flats will be for students at the Sharks academy, for it is growing quickly and they think it would be best if they were based at the stadium.

other work includes the construction of a massive media facility and recording studios.

Plans are being drawn up for a scaled down stadium for the present soccer stadium site with about 40 000 capacity. but it will be domed and therefore indoor/outdoor...with an athletics track
 

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Dysan, you were offered the position before spire asked and you declined therefore you were not intrested in the way it was setout. Dont be a brat and now demand spire redo things to suit you.
This is a forum for us all and he is doing a great job so let him do it.
 

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oooh nice to read those old posts :) please can they be removed! thanx :) (those that dont go with the monorail/people mover thing

anyway...the interim people mover (the 10 buses) will start in 2 weeks running from the Suncoast Casino, along the beaches to the Point. From the bottom of West Street there will be a transit station to switch to the CBD route, that goes past the ICC, City hall and down to Warrick Junction and the Victoria Street market.

Gonna give it a try and will report back.
 

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They're deleted.

I am thrilled that Durban is willing to look at different transport modes. However, something that even VISUALLY cuts people off from the waterfront is a no-no in my opinion. Toronto is still paying for it after all these years, with a highway which is too expensive to demolish. Other cities have made the mistake too.

Some form of street trolley/ streetcar/ LRT system would be nice for Durban, I think.
 

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well the other plan they have is far more extensive than this.

They want to implement a massive tram system, that would this trial route, as well as up onto the Berea, along Florida road and back through the city. There will be a route to the Kings Park Sports complex and one that heads all the way to Umhlanga! They say that this all falls under a 10 year transport plan for the city.

I think the trams would be great, for they could cover a far greater area than the monorail ever could, for a far cheaper price
 

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the dev has taken a step closer to reality with the documentation for the new soccer stadium stating that the "people mover" will be an integral part of the cities new transport infrastructure
 

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I just noticed this unfortunate bit in the City's press release about infrastructure improvements for 2010. Here's the press release link:

http://www.durban.gov.za/eThekwini/Council/council_news/fullsteam/view

Here's the worrying text:

Improvements in traffic and transportation would focus on road safety, especially in the Warwick Avenue area, and the creation of a people-mover system of distinctive buses with wheelchair access.
These would operate on two key routes: North-South, linking uShaka marine park and SunCoast casino; and East-West, linking back to the city and the Victoria Market.
Buses??? Sure, they'll be distinctive, but every city has buses!!! Does this mean there'll be no monorail? :-(
 

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Most people are opposed against Gauteng Government building the Gautrain to help with current and future traffic problems in the economic Heart of Africa being Johannesburg, and you are surprised that they will not be building a Monorail on the Durban beachfront????? LOL LOL LOL (Sorry, but I am *rolling* on the floor......)

Do you have ANY idea how many people opposed the building of the JKF Airport "Airtrain" (monorail) when that was conceived???? And that train buddy, carries more than 1 million passengers a MONTH!!! Don't hold your breath.
 
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