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Gov. Christie cancels ARC

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As i'm sure most of you have heard, Governor Christie of New Jersey has recently announced that due to cost overruns, he will be canceling the Access to the Region's Core (ARC) tunnel under the Hudson River between New York and New Jersey. The project would have doubled the capacity of trains that could run into Penn Station from New Jersey at peak hours, as the century old North River tunnel that is currently used has reached capacity. And yet, commuter demand from New Jersey continues to increase. The project would also include an expansion of Penn Station north under 34th Street and a crossover at Secaucus that would allow commuters on the Main/Bergen County and Pascack Valley Lines to have a one seat ride to midtown manhattan instead of having to take the PATH and then the subway from Hoboken. If ARC were to occur, Raritan Valley Line trains would also go to Manhattan. However, Gov. Christie has seen an end to that. Yesterday Christie announced that he might reconsider re-starting the project based on alternatives presented by Ray LaHod, the National Transportation Secretary who, like me, was outraged by Mr. Christie's decision. The project had already broken ground and was scheduled to be completed in 2017. The project had recieved more financing- $6 billion ($3 bil. from the fed and $3 bil. from the Port Authority) than any other transportation project in the country. The cost was originally estimated at $9 billion although cost overruns may have increased the cost to upwards of $11. The tunnel would improve the daily commutes for tens of thousands of people, convert tens of thousands of commuters to transit every day, taking tens of thousands of cars off the road, reducing congestion and pollution, and moving the Greater New York Region towards a more eco-friendly and more urban environment and standard of living in the future. The project would provide 6,000 jobs for construction, not to mention the tens of thousands more jobs and billions of dollars that it would bring to the region through the resulting economic development. Due to the tremendous stupidity and short-sightedness of politicians, a golden opportunity to drastically improve the transit situation here in North Jersey has been destroyed. This would have had amazing benefits for the region and it simply needs to be done. If the New York region wants to stay competitive with the rest of the country, this project simply has to happen. if the United States wants to stay competitive with the rest of the developed world, than this project has to happen. While countries like Spain, Italy, Germany, and China are rapidly building high speed rail projects that stretch accross the entire length and bredth of those countries, we here in the United States are too short-sighted and beauraucratic to even build a half-mile tunnel between New York and New Jersey despite the amazing benefits it would bring. :soapbox::soapbox:
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President Obama sent his Transportation secretary to Trenton to try to get Christie to change his mind. Didn't work. I don't believe for a minute that this thing is truly dead but Christie may never agree to it. Delays. That's what we're all about here. :(
He's a fat ass, what else could we expect from him anyway?
Chris Christie is so fat, when he went down in the PATH tube, there briefly WAS A SECOND TUNNEL!
Its a terrible flawed plan , it should have been killed years ago. Why build a New Tunnel and Station that can not be expanded in the future? Why build a deep underground station that won't be connected to the current and future Amtrak station? Does anyone in this region look at the plans before the build things anymore?
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I agree with you that the plan as had been proposed had its flaws (mainly that the new station wouldn't have platforms to allow through-running or connect to the existing NEC). However, it is only meant as a terminus of the commuter lines anyway and I would much, much rather see it built in accordance with the plan than see it shelved for no good reason.
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I agree with you that the plan as had been proposed had its flaws (mainly that the new station wouldn't have platforms to allow through-running or connect to the existing NEC). However, it is only meant as a terminus of the commuter lines anyway and I would much, much rather see it built in accordance with the plan than see it shelved for no good reason.
I rather see a plan that continues service to GCT , Penn station is ok. The Station can't be expanded , thats a wasteful plan. Its too far below street level......it needs to be redrawn or merged with the Amtrak plan.
From a NY Times op-ed titled "Paralysis of the State"...

New Jersey can’t afford to build its tunnel, but benefits packages for the state’s employees are 41 percent more expensive than those offered by the average Fortune 500 company. These benefits costs are rising by 16 percent a year. New York City has to strain to finance its schools but must support 10,000 former cops who have retired before age 50.

California can’t afford new water projects, but state cops often receive 90 percent of their salaries when they retire at 50. The average corrections officer there makes $70,000 a year in base salary and $100,000 with overtime (California spends more on its prison system than on its schools).

States across the nation will be paralyzed for the rest of our lives because they face unfunded pension obligations that, if counted accurately, amount to $2 trillion — or $87,000 per plan participant.

All in all, governments can’t promote future prosperity because they are strangling on their own self-indulgence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/12/opinion/12brooks.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general
So now New Jersey will have to give back $3bln to the feds, so they could build more bridges in Alaska right?
So now New Jersey will have to give back $3bln to the feds, so they could build more bridges in Alaska right?
No, so we can complete our commuter rail project from El Paso to the Colorado state line. :yes:
From a NY Times op-ed titled "Paralysis of the State"...
So you folks, in the same breath, lambast Christie yet complain about the very problems he, at great political expense, has been trying to fix?
I rather see a plan that continues service to GCT , Penn station is ok. The Station can't be expanded , thats a wasteful plan. Its too far below street level......it needs to be redrawn or merged with the Amtrak plan.
Its technically impossible to do. What you are talking about is the PSC plan, which had an engineering study done and it was determined that it was impossible/VERY expensive to do. I guarantee it will not be done for at least the next 100 years, or probably never.
I wish someday New York could have a governor like Christie. We need him even more than New Jersey does.

Unlikely though. The special interests and public sector unions are simply too strong here.
I wish someday New York could have a governor like Christie. We need him even more than New Jersey does.

Unlikely though. The special interests and public sector unions are simply too strong here.
Just don't vote for Paladino. Give us that much?
So you folks, in the same breath, lambast Christie yet complain about the very problems he, at great political expense, has been trying to fix?
Confused much? It was an op-ed about the runaway entitlements of state employees. Not a "lambast" of Christie. Relates to other states as well and the problem with unfunded pension obligations draining funds for infrastructure.
"Just don't vote for Paladino. Give us that much? "

Why shouldn't I vote for Paladino if the alternative is in the pocket of the state unions and hospitals who will keep bleeding the dry and will probably force me to move elsewhere in search of a job?

Of course, if you are offering to pay my NYS taxes for me I'll reconsider :) In that case PM me.
"Just don't vote for Paladino. Give us that much? "

Why shouldn't I vote for Paladino if the alternative is in the pocket of the state unions and hospitals who will keep bleeding the dry and will probably force me to move elsewhere in search of a job?

Of course, if you are offering to pay my NYS taxes for me I'll reconsider :) In that case PM me.
Paladino can't do a thing to change an entrenched system that was brought upon by all the Shelly Silvers in Albany since the 1960s. All he can do is make NYS an even BIGGER LAUGHINGSTOCK than it already is. Until the political split between Upstate and Downstate resolves, everyone will be pulling against each other and those 'three guys in a room' will continue raising your taxes and distorting the economy. Political divides in NYS have historically led to those backroom deals and Paladino is the most divisive character yet!
Paladino

*shivers*
Confused much? It was an op-ed about the runaway entitlements of state employees. Not a "lambast" of Christie. Relates to other states as well and the problem with unfunded pension obligations draining funds for infrastructure.
No, I'm talking about the article, I'm talking about the people who say "[Christie is] a fat ass" and yet complain about the entitlements of NJ state workers, when that's the very thing he's trying to control!
From: http://gothamist.com/2010/10/19/senators_march_for_trans-hudson_exp.php

Senators Rally For Trans-Hudson Express Tunnel

Governor Chris Christie has until this Friday to review and decide on several options to save the plan for the new Trans-Hudson Express Tunnel from New Jersey to Penn Station, and New Jersey senators are taking to the streets to put pressure on Christie to approve the project once again. Democratic Senators Frank Lautenberg and Robert Menendez will rally with union workers at the tunnel's construction site in North Bergen, and previously spoke of the benefits of the new rail. He said in a statement:

The ARC Tunnel will not only allow more New Jersey residents to work in New York, but it will significantly cut the amount of time it now takes to get to Manhattan. Make no mistake: with the ARC Tunnel, commutes will be shorter, but without this tunnel, commutes will become intolerably long. We are already at near capacity with the current 100 year-old tunnel, and demand for rail service in New Jersey to midtown Manhattan is expected to double over the next two decades.
The new tunnel would double rail capacity between New Jersey and New York, create an estimated 6,000 construction jobs, and would relieve the flow of about 22,000 cars between the states. However, Christie said the $8.7 billion price tag ($2.7 billion of which would be paid by New Jersey) was too much for the state right now. And it looks like all the rallies won't change his mind. He said yesterday that unless the federal government chipped in for New Jersey's share, he's fine with walking away from the project. "I don't want to hear about the jobs it will create. If I don't have the money for the payroll, it will not create the jobs," Christie said. "This is not a difficult decision for me....I can't write the check if there is no money in the account." Looks like we'll have to find hope for a faster trip back from the Meadowlands elsewhere.
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