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What single sector has propelled and shaped Gtr Manchester over the last decade(or so) the most?

Obviously each sector has contributed, but which sector stands out in 'your' mind as the sector that has lead and cemented the renaissance of Gtr Manchester during that period of time.

PS. The Liverpool forum members are not allowd to vote for number 10. :)
 

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Bastard f***ing 5 minute poll cut off point! Lost all my 10 poll options. Some crackers as well.

F***ing toss! :bash: I'll write them out again and ask B4mmy to create the poll.
 

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Politics for me followed by transport.

The leaders of Gtr Manchester(AGMA) have done a wonderful job over the last 10 years. They have worked together for the good of Gtr Manchester, even after falling out over the Congestion Charge. Rather than letting that result sour their relationship and effect it, they got back together, came up with a compromise, and took their ideas for Gtr Manchester forward as a collective group, once again.

Also. The way they worked with and 'fought' the previous Labour Government was amazing. Not only did they get the Commonwealth Games, but they also got the Metrolink money reinstated, managed to get the BBC to Salford, kept the Super Casino alive after it was thrown out by the House of Lords, all be it in a different, but better desguise, and now they've come together with other councils to form the Manchester City Region. :cheers:

Transport. Metrolink, M60 completion, Manchester Airport, intergrated transport network, etc.
 

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Perhaps it's my infrastructure geekery speaking but I'd say transport. Not because it'll have more impact than other projects and developments that have happened or that are ongoing, but because it's a solid achievement that the city can point to and use as evidence of local authority cooperation, public support for investment (back on track campaign and lack of complaint about tax rises to fund GMTF), public-private joint working, sway in government and confidence in tackling big projects.
 

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Biggest improvement in GM in the last decade is the huge drop in GM wards that make up the poorest wards in the UK.

David Ottewell reported on it several months ago, the figures are astounding on the improvements.
 

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Better access to better oppurtunity.

Many different reasons from an explosion of small / medium sized locally owned businesses.

Global economic boom that went on for 15 years, Manchester for once was taken along with the global boom unlike some previous global booms.

So other places places simply failed to join the global boom as they had legacy industries that were going into reverse so the rankings changed, our previously poor areas benefiting from a global boom whereas other cities did not as they have more inherent issues wwith their economies.
 

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I suspect it's more to do with people moving into the city than anything else. Deprivation works in a way that if relatively affluent employed people move into new housing in shitty areas then the stats will look better, even if the people who were previously deprived are still deprived. Since we know Manchester has benefitted from significant internal migration I suspect that's the primary cause.
 

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Past ten years:

Metrolink expansion, Commonwealth games/legacy, Manchester United's The Treble, Merger of UMIST and U of M, BBC move to MediaCity, Rich Arabs buy Man City, Airport still largest non-London and poised for more growth, MEN Arena still the biggest in the land. Downtown shopping still successful regardless of out of town Trafford Center. Tallest building outside London. Ricky Hatton, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, David Beckham... :cheers:
 

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For me, it would be the improvements, 'beautification' for want of a better phrase and the life that has been injected in to the city centre, which has let's face it been tidied up beyond all recognition.

Bill Bryson called the Arndale the world's largest public toilet, a metaphor which cruelly reflected upon the city as a whole. I used to equally cruelly compare Manchester to a 'big Blackburn'.

Much of the city centre is now thoroughly pleasant place and in many parts much more than that and in many cases more and some of the fringe areas are equally good, or at least promising.

Yes there is plenty of work still to do in these fringe areas, but we can look forward with confidence as the ripple effect kicks on: Ancoats, The Quays, COMs, The Northern Quarter, First Street......

A more specific improvement has been the addition of retail units in to somewhat forgotten streets. Cheapside (photo updates in the retail section) is a good example of this and is something that has made the city a much more permeable plcae and a better place to simply wander, explore and be in.

I certainly think we can be proud of the last 10 years and can equally look forward to the next 10.
 

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The IRA bombing you which was your turning point thanks to alot of investment to repair the damage :p

Also, having a Labour council with a Labour government obviously had its advantages. Manchester picks its party well.
 

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Manchesters renaisance began with the olympic bid(s). Even though we didn't win, it put the city on the world stage and left us with two great venues - the velodrome and Nynex MEN arena.

Manchesters cultural exports in the 1980's and 90's helped as well, obviously there was the stone roses, the smiths, new order and the hacienda. In the 1990's take that where on tv all the time, as where m people, oasis and simply red. All well known and well loved all over the country and further affield.

By the time the bomb went off, people already knew what we where about. This was crystalised by cold feet and queer as folk which showed manchester as a city with a prosperous middle class.

The secret to Manchester’s success is the 'can do' attitude of the people.
 

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I think that is why I am so proud to a manc. I love the way people just get on with. While other cities (like Liverpool did but have managed to reverse) just crumbeled Manchester decided to reinvent itself. We managed to convince the London based property owners to rebuild everything.

I think the starting point for Manchesters amazing recent sucess was the Metrolink.

I also I love how friendly the city is, I can walk into Grand Central for the Sailsbury and at least 5 or 6 people will let onto to me. Its a very big city with lots of small sub groups within.

Then of course as pointed out Manchester has a fine reputation for music dating back from the 1960's (Hermans Hermits, Hollies, 10CC, Beegees etc).

I think what really needs to happen now is Manchester needs to be more clearly defined and some of the dumps need sorting. There is no place for Openshaw in a modern European class city.
 

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Joy I dont think for a second that the good folk of Liverpool or Bristol et al would wish to just get on with it.

Simply the advantage for Manchester is the economies of scale are bigger than all bar London, but the clincher has the organisation, co-operation and luck that first started with the Olympic bids and has pretty much continued onwards.

I dont know whether this model has run its day with the 08 bust, But I guess its a strategy that has had some success,
 

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The scousers got on with by moving out in their masses. I know this happened in Manchester too but on a lesser scale.

Liverpool has been transformed in the past five years and is thankfully a completly different city now, like the mancs the remaining scwousers wanted to improve things.

Bristol still seems a bit of a mess to me. I got caught near Temple Meeds station on a match day and there was no where to get any food from. I just wanted a simple burger or something like that. It just seems a massive over sight that they haven;t thought about proper hot food provision. I know they are bigger stations but in both Picciddily and Euston you're spoilt for choice for hot food near the station areas.

On a Greater Manchester basis Bury seems to be doing a lot to completly re-invent itself but Stockport is now lagging behind so much.

Certainly in terms of the central Manchester area I think development will slow down a not now and even in 40 years time most the buildings will be either Victorian or Naughties.
 

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Manchester and Liverpool have gone through basically the same sort of stuff in their history. Becoming the 2 most important, rich cities before the wars, to then going into economic decline and becoming shit tips, losing half their populations, to then reiventing themselves. They are both so different to even 10 years ago. Its fascinating actually to explain why certain people hate the other city for no reason. I think both cities should be proud of what they have achieved since the 80s and work together to fight the London-centric/South East inequality that the North faces.
 

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I agree. I am a manc through and through but I also like Liverpool. I am proud of being from the North West and want any city in the north west to do well. Manchester and Liverpool are by far the two finest cities the North West has.

What is good for Liverpool is good for Manchester vice versa. The two cities are not really competing against each other anymore but competing against the south east and London.

I still think Manchester makes better music though :lol:
 
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