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The title speaks for itself.

I'll begin with one.... commuter passenger ferry from Hamilton to Toronto. Why not? We all would consider a high-speed rail connection, but a ferry would do it without the massive infrastructure capital (the infrastructure is free, existing, and only requires ice break-up in the winter), and would offer a much better view.

discuss, and add.

btw, I expect it will only be me and Steeltown who will peruse this thread, hopefully I'll be wrong.
 

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Ferry would be nice. Perhaps from Hamilton then make a stop at Oakville and then to Toronto. Call it the GO Ferry. Maybe during the summer they can make a special ferry trip to Niagara on the Lake.

I have a couple of wish list but my biggest wish list is simple. Improve our image. Whenever I talk about Hamilton bam the other person automatically thinks about that view from the bridge.

The City should go more aggressively in promoting Hamilton as a hidden treasure such as the escarpment, waterfalls, Cootes Paradise, Royal Botanical Gardens, creeks, Dundas Valley and so on. Should advertise Hamilton in magazines, books, side of buses, radio and perhaps on TV. Because we gotta admit our image SUCKS.

And if that doesn't work I would like a new Dofasco skyscraper in downtown :tongue3: That will improve Hamilton's image in Skyscrapercity lol.

I would love to hear what other people think should be Hamilton's #1 wishlist especially outsiders.
 

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^ the GO ferry... I like it! It shouldn't stop in Oakville though, why should they benefit? :)

Of course, increasing commuter service will make us more of a bedroom community, but the ecomomic benefits are obvious. Is this a no-brainer or what??

Improve our image. Whenever I talk about Hamilton bam the other person automatically thinks about that view from the bridge.
Ahhh. the view from the bridge. If and when we get the Music hall of fame, it needs to be an architectural icon, like what Ghery did for Bilbao. It needs to steal the thunder from the steel mills, or at least compliment them. We really could use something exceptional on our waterfront, so that when people speed by on the Skyway, they say 'what the [email protected]*k is that, we should check it out!' I nominate Sir Norman Foster for the job.

I have a few good ideas about improving Hamiltons image, but they're too good to share here. I do agree that we should play upon the idea of Hamilton being a city of natural beauty, and of limitless liesure possibility. Let Hamilton be North America's centre of ecological conservation, outdoor recreation..... along with being Canada's centre of manufacturing, industry, steel production, rock and roll (currently Montreal in my books), medical innovation/research and biodiesel.

On a slightly more serious note, I think it might help if all of Hamiltons conservation lands and RBG lands in the Dundas Valley/Cootes Paradise area be amalgamated into a Provincial Park. This would improve the areas image, add value to the land as an attraction, and ensure a standard of maintenance and adequate funding. Let RGB concentrate on it's centre and immediate gardens. Now thats an idea I'll contribute for free :)
 

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^ the GO ferry... I like it! It shouldn't stop in Oakville though, why should they benefit? :)

Of course, increasing commuter service will make us more of a bedroom community, but the ecomomic benefits are obvious. Is this a no-brainer or what??
The ferry gotta make a stop somewhere in Toronto's suburb though. Large pick up at Hamilton and then another large pick up in some Toronto suburb. During the winter Hamilton Harbour freezes over but that's because the Eastport Lift Bridge is closed during the winter, no boats can enter. But that's going to change since the Feds wants to sell the bridge to Hamilton Port Authority for $30 million.

Ah Hamilton is becoming a bedroom community already, there's no stopping it, after that it'll spread to the Niagara region. I see it as a bonus, the Premier will be forced to invest in Hamilton more. Just don't be calling Hamilton part of the GTA though! lol. It's kinda like San Francisco and San Jose, both have the same distance as Toronto and Hamilton but San Jose is independent.

Norman Foster designing the Music Hall of Fame on Pier 8 would be friggin awesome. Foster works are shiny and bright, lots of glass, so it would shine and stick out if you look over the bridge.

Wish CARAS would get off their ass and announce the winner of the Music Hall of Fame soon. Suppose to announce it in February.

Ya know that Parks Canada is in the preliminary stages to decide if Cootes Paradise should become a National Park? More info here http://www.hwcn.org/link/hasc/news0005.html

RBG should become like the Science Centre, teach and learn about horticultural. RBG should also have an educational centre, perhaps a deal with McMaster University and offer horticultural courses there.
 

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A very fine point but Hamilton to T.O. - 41 miles. S.F to San Jose - 47 miles.
 

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I didn't know that they close the harbour.... I do know that there used to be a huge ice harvest industry in Hamilton at the turn of the century though :)

I'm glad you agree about Foster... we'd do a Ghery but he's so passe

I didn't know about the Cootes paradise as a National Park thing.... I like it alot. Good idea about the RGB too... I was surprised when I visited the centre in the off season how small it was. I figured there would be alot more indoor greenhouses to walk through. Allan Gardens in TO was more impressive.. maybe I missed something?
 

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from that article..

"We live in harmony with the Bruce Peninsula National Park. There's no downside to the feds becoming involved. The upside is everyone knows the federal government has more money than the provincial government, or the RBG, to spend on maintenance and upgrades."

bingo

oh, Jaybird, how could I forget the NHL franchise dream???? Top priority that is... :)
 

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My wish for Hamilton is to fill up most of the parking lots downtown with some new residential towers either for rent or condo's. Also, i think some area of the city have become so run down that they should be demolished and rebuilt. At the same time though there are hundreds of beautiful homes that need to be restored. The key to Hamiltons future sucess IMO is to bring another 50-100 thousand people into the lower city.
 

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IMHO, the key to getting these wishes and many more is to promote Hamilton as the Western commercial hub of the Golden Horseshoe. In other words, turn Hamilton into a Toronto of sorts. You already have everything you need and I've always been rather mystified as to why your city isn't already attracting large corporations away from Toronto. Not that I want to see Toronto suffer or anything but it just seems to me that Hamilton should have a far more visible identity. You know, landmarks such as a good sized skyline. I can't see any reason why many of these major companies that set up shop in Toronto couldn't build up Hamilton. IMO, Hamilton is incredibly overlooked.
 

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Hamilton is the hub for the Golden Horseshoe. Under the Places to Grow Act the government will be investing Hamilton's ports and airport so Hamilton will become a larger hub. Just recently the feds announced $300 million for great lakes security. Hamilton will be getting an RCMP branch protecting our Harbour next year with a new patrol vessel and will get radiation detection equipment.

Large corporations rather go into suburbs. Hey look at Tim Hortons it's headquartered in Oakville not in Hamilton, which to me is just wrong. Another example, CargoJet does a majority of its business at Hamilton airport but it’s headquartered in Mississauga. It's cheaper to be headquartered in suburbs.

During the 70's Hamilton raised business taxes like crazy. So that caused a lot of companies to move to Burlington (suburb of Hamilton). So in 2000 City Hall created "Business Retention and Expansion" and has been reducing business taxes each year. To date annual taxes on commercial and industrial properties have been cut by nearly $40 million. In the City's 2005 budget $5 million is towards business tax reduction. The provincial government matches the cuts, so $5 millon from Queen's Park. As a result, Hamilton businesses today pay nearly $83 million less in property taxes than they did in 2000.

Still Hamilton is not in a competitive stage yet. So that goes to show how high business taxes were in Hamilton. In two years Hamilton will finally have a competitive business tax in the Golden Horseshoe region.

Hopefully after 2007 Hamilton will start to see more companies moving (or coming back) into Hamilton.
 

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Okay my full Hamilton wish list

Jackson Square Redevelopment – reduce the size of the mall and put up a hi rise condominium called Jackson Square condominium. Most urban malls are putting up hi rise condos. Also the mall needs more sunlight, dark inside.

City of Waterfalls – make that the official logo of Hamilton

Main Street – reduced lanes (5 lanes to perhaps 3 lanes) with curb side parking (will help shops on Main Street West near Dundurn), and reduced speeding limit.

McMaster University Centre of the Arts - moved into downtown Hamilton with maybe a six story building and the main floor displaying arts and music.

Hamilton Convention Centre – Gut the Convention Centre and redesign the centre. If you ever been inside you will feel like your stuck in a bunker since it’s all surrounded with cement, no windows and all grey colour. Open it up and bring in some natural lighting.

Dofasco – move their boxy headquarter from Burlington Street to downtown. Would love to see Dafasco moved to the parking lot at King and Bay Street.

VIA station – Hopefully the Feds will cough up some cash and build a VIA station in the core. I’m hoping since the Feds are on a spending spree they will announce this soon.

Trolley – I’ve always wanted a trolley installed along the escarpment. Sort of like Quebec City and Niagara Falls, would help tourism in Hamilton. Perhaps have a fancy restaurant at the top of the escarpment next to the trolley and a waterfall and have the view of Hamilton. Wouldn't that be awesome?

Salvation Army building closed – hate hate hate that building. It’s where the half-way house is located which is next door to Copps Coliseum, Feds promised us it will be closed soon. Plus it’s the reason why homeless people hang around Jackson Square, they go inside the Salvation Army building, get $5, then get something at Jackson Square and then hang outside of Jackson Square asking for money. Knock the building down and maybe a Hotel will be built since it's directly across the street to Copps Coliseum.

New residential condo announced in the core – which should be next month since the City will be asking developers if interested in around $7 million in incentive loans to build condos in the core.

Hamilton Beach Amusement Park – Back in the 50’s and 60’s the Hamilton Beach Community used to have an amusement park. I would like to see that come back somewhere along Van Wagners Beach or maybe next to Confederation Park with a huge ferries wheel.
 

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Brett said:
The key to Hamiltons future sucess IMO is to bring another 50-100 thousand people into the lower city.

Homes: All those people mean 100,000 new households. But there's only enough land for the next 11.5 years of growth. Should the city protect farmland and greenspace, not expand and turn back some of the newcomers?

Jobs: The growth means 104,000 new jobs -- 10,000 more than previously forecast. More than hal

Longer lifespans and spillover from the Greater Toronto Area mean Hamilton will add 78,000 more people than expected by 2031.

We'll see 20,000 more homes and 10,000 more jobs than previously forecast, report city planners plotting Hamilton's future.

By 2031, Hamilton will be home to 700,000 people, 290,000 households and 310,000 jobs.

That's 190,000 more than our present population of 510,000.

GRIDS manager Stephen Robichaud's draft list of growth options revealed at this week's strategic planning committee meeting includes:

* Status quo: Low-density housing with many urban-boundary expansions. Unlikely due to new provincial limits on sprawl and the greenbelt.

* No expansion: High-density growth within existing city limits. Limits growth to about 64,000 households, and is said to ignore the city's economic goals.

* Moderate options: Add some new urban lands. Options include building 5,000 or more units downtown, or in nodes such as the future Meadowlands East.
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The city can do a lot better then adding 5,000 new homes to the core.
 

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Another wish for Hamilton, get those one-way streets out of downtown. Make traffic flow just a little bit easier, and help easier navigating of the city.

Maybe a downtown VIA rail station could benefit the city and downtown?

There was talk of a casino, but I think that is dead, because a few months ago, it said Ontario was not going to build anymore casinos.

Sounds like that Salvation Army building's location is causing some problems, worst look at its location, near Copps Coliseum. Downtown could probably use another hotel, as well. Maybe the city could also use a new stadium for the Tiger-Cats? Although seeing as how Ivor Wynne was used for the charity hockey game, I don't know if that will happen.

That 2031 Hamilton plan sounds very ambitious, and a good one too.
 

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I can totally relate to you Hamiltonians as I live in Windsor. I know the image of Hamilton is far worse than Windsor, and that's partly because you're over-shadowed by Toronto. Most people wouldn't even know the Ham is there.
I've never had a bad time in Hamilton, and actually enjoy visiting the area. I know there's a lot of hidden jewels but the image from the bridge does SUCK! LoL.

I think Hamilton and Windsor need to cry out to Canada as AWESOME places to go! YA!


BTW the Ferry thing sounds pretty kick ass. I'd probably head up there just to ride it to T.O
 

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BTW the Ferry thing sounds pretty kick ass.
doesn't it?

I see some people mentioning getting rid of one-way streets and reducing Main and King to three lanes. This is crucial. Hamilton is not a pedestrian friendly city; it's terrifying to walk on a 4' wide sidewalk (if it's even 4') right next to 5 lanes of traffic.... traffic that often reaches speeds of 60-70 km/hr or more.

That Hamilton in 2031 diagram is a load of shit. Check out the 'connections' paragraph. How is creating more roads, particularly to 'focus' on the Meadowlands area (big box stores) going to make Hamilton a more 'transit-friendly city'? Thats an oxymoron, and besides, Hamilton has more traffic capacity than any city I can think of, including Toronto. I think stuff like that diagram reveals some of the biggest problems facing Hamilton and cities like it... people who don't know what they're talking about.

What we need to do is focus growth in the core. This should be the easiest thing to do... there are so many brownfields and decaying low-rise development in the lower area of the city. The lower-city has more than enough infrastructure to support twice the current population, plus it benefits from being close to the GO station, and where the VIA station ought to be.

I don't know why Hamilton let itself suck so badly, but when I find out who's fault it is, there'll be hell to pay. To me, it's a no-brainer.
 

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City of Waterfalls – make that the official logo of Hamilton
Okay this can come off the wish list now since it's becoming a reality.

Hamilton Spectator, May 6, 2005

The Hamilton Conservative Authority has kick-started plans for a strategy to market our waterfalls.

* Tourism Hamilton initiate a five-year strategy to market Hamilton as a City of Waterfalls
* Site plans be completed to see how falls with high tourism potential can be made more accessible
* A waterfalls "symbol or icon" be used by the city, Royal Botanical Gardens, conservation authorities and Tourism Hamilton for streets and trails
* Joint, cross-border marketing ideas be discussed with the New York Waterfalls Association
* Considered City of Waterfalls billboards, tour packages, linkages with falls-rich Ithaca, NY, and a Guinness world record as the city with the most waterfalls.

Yay we're gonna be the City of Waterfalls.
 

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interesting...

"* Site plans be completed to see how falls with high tourism potential can be made more accessible"

hmmm, careful now. I think the best waterfalls are already quite accessible. Borers falls could be improved on, though.
 

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In the newspaper when they talk about more accessible there talking about perhaps Tourism Hamilton purchasing a double decker tour bus and use that to promote Hamilton's waterfalls. Sort of like the RBC, they have a tour bus. Tourism Hamilton head office is at the main floor of Pigott building.

The Conservation authority said it won't be placing more parking lots or more viewing decks since there an environmental organization.
 

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I know this isn't exactly the GO ferry idea but the GO transit sounds like it's expanding.

GO could expand in Hamilton

HAMILTON - We could be a step closer to improved Go transit service in Hamilton.

GO's board will meet this morning to consider plans to spend 35-million dollars on track improvements between Hamilton and Burlington.

The improvements will allow for increased train service into Hamilton during peak hours.

A spokesman for GO says it's not expected to be a contentious issue and should be approved.
 
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