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From todays Hobart Mercury.

Looks like a brand new multi storey hotel for Hobarts CBD. No details yet on height but if it is going to be 250 rooms and given the size of the plot it will have to be at least 8 stories...woo hoo!:banana:

A NEW 250-room, four-star hotel is the latest development in the multi-million-dollar revitalisation of Hobart’s CBD.

Singaporean company Fragrance South Pacific will transform the former medical consulting suites and car park at 173-177 Macquarie St in the heart of the business district into much needed high-end accommodation.

The development will be a big boost for the economy and another key plank in the transformation of the city.

Other projects breathing life into Hobart include the $100 million Myer Icon Complex, Ali Sultan’s office and car parking development on Bathurst St, the conversion of the former Mercury building and the Federal Group’s $35 million waterfront hotel.

Fragrance South Pacific is a subsidiary of Fragrance Group Limited, which specialises in property and hotel developments.

It paid about $4 million for the 1960-built property in Macquarie St, which will be *demolished to make way for the new development.

Knight Frank Tasmania chief executive Scott Newton said the building would include an underground car park.

A development application would be made to the council as soon as possible.

“It will be a significant *development and I think it provides some certainty and some much needed mid-range accommodation to cater for the strengthening tourism sector,” he said.

Lord Mayor Damon Thomas said the announcement was yet another brick in the wall of the Hobart of the future.

“We are desperately short of hotels,” he said.

“Especially given the unparalleled success of our many festivals but also in anticipation of the international connections we’re making.

“The Chinese have continually said to me, ‘We love your city Lord Mayor but have you got enough hotel rooms?’”

Tourism Industry Council of Tasmania chief executive Luke Martin said the 250-room hotel would be one of the biggest in the CBD.

“It’s a great site and hopefully it will be a quick build *because we need this sort of thing by next year so it would be great if the development process moved along quickly,” he said.

Another project powering along is Ali Sultan’s office and car parking development on the corner of Bathurst and *Argyle streets.

The 10-storey building will cater for 500 Vodafone workers and will have a linkway through to Liverpool St.

Last weekend Tasmanian-owned business GN Electrical moved from its Liverpool St store into the ground floor of Mr Sultan’s building.

Store manager Darren Gray said he expected the move would be of great benefit once it was fully functioning.

“The way retail has gone lately, it was a good move for us into a smaller shop with less rent,” he said.

“As bricks and mortar we’re competing against online and we don’t have the big advertising dollars the multi-nationals do. Hopefully people will shop local, which is what we need to encourage.”

The building left empty by GN Electrical will be taken over by Westpac this week as it begins construction of its state of the art Bank Now branch.

It is expected to involve an investment of about $1 million and should be open by the end of August.

Work on the former Bridges Brothers building in Bathurst St also began recently and is expected to be completed by September. It will be converted into *office and car parking space, said owner Graham Woodward.
Here is an image of the site from the Knight Frank Website.

 

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Tourism Industry Council of Tasmania chief executive Luke Martin said the 250-room hotel would be one of the biggest in the CBD.

“It’s a great site and hopefully it will be a quick build *because we need this sort of thing by next year so it would be great if the development process moved along quickly,” he said.
This is why Luke is in tourism, not in building development. He appears not to have a clue how long it would take to build something like this. Unless he want's a dangerous rush job, like they do in China.

A good sign for Hobart, otherwise...
 

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This is why Luke is in tourism, not in building development. He appears not to have a clue how long it would take to build something like this. Unless he want's a dangerous rush job, like they do in China.

A good sign for Hobart, otherwise...
Could not agree more castrovalva. If the press reports are correct, then this thing will have 250 rooms and be the biggest hotel in Hobart. By comparison, the Hotel Grand Chancellor, all 14 stories of it, only has 240 rooms.

The group behind it has a lot of properties in Singapore so will probably just use an existing plan to save money and time but there will still be issues with traffic, heritage, potential shading of Macquarie Street and finding a builder because by the beginning of next year, assuming planning approval comes through by then, Hobart is likely to have 4 major projects all on the go.

I can't see this development being ready by the end of 2015. End of 2016 maybe...
 

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This sounds pretty cool.

would include an underground car park
:banana:

If Hobart hotels are soo full, why are some of them soo dilapidated/outdated? I mean we brought some visitors and they stayed in a large CBD hotel, turned out it didn't even have air-conditioning (in summer, when it was like 40)!?
Hopefully international developers/managers like this coming in will force others to up their game.

However I hope Frangrance will hire a decent architect and build something with plenty of glass and modern clean looks. The hotels on their website (in Singapore) are not exactly appealing. (although the interior/lobby are neat enough)
http://www.fragrancehotel.com/our-hotels
http://www.gphl.com.sg/hotels.php
Or perhaps you guys seen a different portfolio for them somewhere?
 

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Hobart seems to be really ramping up!

This is not the first development proposal for this site so hope this one gets off the ground.
If the hotel is to have more rooms than the grand chancellor then surely it is going to have to be more than 8 storeys - the site is smaller is it not? Unless of course they are singapore-sized rooms!
 

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If the hotel is to have more rooms than the grand chancellor then surely it is going to have to be more than 8 storeys - the site is smaller is it not? Unless of course they are singapore-sized rooms!
Actually the accommodation tower at the Grand Chancellor has a similar footprint. AFAIK ~2500 square meter whilst this site in question is around 2100 square meter (right to the Boundary). Grand chancellor is only around 10 levels of actual accommodation??
Of course that is not including the conference type facilities, pool, restaurant etc they have there.

This site has a 15 storey tower behind it, and a 10 storey Travelodge hotel on the corner(red building, which has around 130 rooms on a ~800m site and ground-level carpark.)
Wouldn't be surprised to see another ~10 storey there, 250 rooms should be doable (budget ones).
 

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Good points skinn and Ordex.

I am thinking that the building wont be much higher than about 8 stories on the Macquarie Street side, to avoid shadowing and to provide a step up to the taller buildings but it will wrap right around the back of the site at that level so that a lot of the rooms will have views of the Mountain.

But I am guessing as we all will be until a DA actually goes in, although I would be suprised if discussions have not already taken place with the planners at the HCC about maximum heights and density before the site was purchased.

But whatever they build, it will be at least as high as the building to be demolished and it will fill the site, so it will be good for density and streetscape.

As for the style. Mmm. Fragrance do tend to build for budget travellers so the exteriors tend to reflect that. But the spokesperson for the company did say this development will be high end so that means 4 star which will hopefully translate into something with slightly better design credentials!
 

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If Hobart hotels are soo full, why are some of them soo dilapidated/outdated?
That's exactly why they are that way. The prevailing way of thinking in this state seems to be: if so many people are paying to stay in my establishment the way it is, why do I need to do it up? Hopefully an increase in beds and competition will inspire some to freshen their look.
 

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That's exactly why they are that way. The prevailing way of thinking in this state seems to be: if so many people are paying to stay in my establishment the way it is, why do I need to do it up? Hopefully an increase in beds and competition will inspire some to freshen their look.
Yep for sure. They need some more good competition and inspiration down here. Wonder if businesses will complain when they start losing customers to a fresh and well serviced competitor.
I hear people complaining about a certain chain killing many small bakeries around, well I say good riddance to the useless bakeries selling month old furry-with-mould cakes and mislabelled pies that are half still cold (real first hand experiences). Many Tas businesses need to up their game.
Stop wondering while your town is depressed whilst you consistently sell crap in a crap environment with standoffish service from untrained and disinterested staff.

The medium/high end stuff here is decent(if you can find them) but the budget to moderate priced establishments are quite poor.
 

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skinn. I was down at the waterfront last night to take in the Winter Feast and the Ferris Wheel of Death (which was fantastic) and I have to say that I was over near the Grand Chancellor too at some point looking at the search lights, and it did strike me that the hotel tower is still pretty large.

If it is only about 2500 in area and the new hotel site is only 2100 then, bugger me, but we might be looking at somehing closer to 14 stories on that site if they have any decent function areas as well as 250 rooms.

Going to be some interesting planning discussions, I think, over this one.
 

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Does seem very large, but these number of rooms could be achieved if they also acquire the adjoining hotel and integrate it into the new design - we haven't seen the DA and plans yet, so could this be a possibility?
 

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I dont think so On Y Va.

The adjoining building is actually not part of the Travelodge Hotel and I dont think it forms part of the land parcel.

So I think this is just going to have to be shoe horned onto this site.

Hopefully, we will see a DA within the next 3 months to see what they have come up with.
 

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skinn. I was down at the waterfront last night to take in the Winter Feast and the Ferris Wheel of Death (which was fantastic) and I have to say that I was over near the Grand Chancellor too at some point looking at the search lights, and it did strike me that the hotel tower is still pretty large.

If it is only about 2500 in area and the new hotel site is only 2100 then, bugger me, but we might be looking at somehing closer to 14 stories on that site if they have any decent function areas as well as 250 rooms.

Going to be some interesting planning discussions, I think, over this one.
Budget hotel room is like 4x10 including bathroom, walls and half a hallway.

2 Travelodge towers(130 rooms = 260 rooms) turned 90 degrees would fit together perfectly on this site and leave breathing room to the footpath and rear boundary. Maybe it's not quite long enough and think maybe 235 rooms, but that doesn't include using the area in the rear corner of the site.

Problem is creating light and windows for these rooms, due to surrounding buildings. Will be interesting to see how they utilise the site but I think 250 is realistic at around 10 levels.
Is going to look pretty big, though, just like the Chancellor's tower.
 

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Cheers skinn.

If we look at this image for the proposed UTAS student apartments (same size as a budget room give or take a a square metre or two for a small kitchentte?) for Melville Street we can see how much size is required for 400+ apartments.



So, I reckon you are spot on.

Two Travelodge towers facing the street with a low rise functions centre around the back of the site should pretty much do it. This thing will be big!!!

p.s don't be suprised if in a bid to fast track this thing and save cash that the Singaporeans will have all the rooms built in Singapore as modules and then simply shipped to Hobart where they will stacked on top of each other...
 

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p.s don't be suprised if in a bid to fast track this thing and save cash that the Singaporeans will have all the rooms built in Singapore as modules and then simply shipped to Hobart where they will stacked on top of each other...
Sounds like a plan. Probably come out better than the local precast concrete panels would anyway.:bash:
 

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Drove past this site today and there were 4 blokes with clipboards, cameras and other stuff wandering around the site/building. Luckily for us, the owner/developers are Singaporean so it looks to me like they are getting estimates for some of the preliminary work already!
 

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OK. What looks like a full scale planning application for the development on this site was advertised in the Mercury on Saturday but nothing yet on-line so cannot see what is being proposed!!! Will have to wait for the news or the planning portal on the HCC website to be up-dated!! Frustrating...
 

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Right. HCC have finally loaded the plans into its website. renders and other details located here;

https://apply.hobartcity.com.au/Pages/XC.Track/SearchApplication.aspx?id=60629

Overall, 11 stories tall, so a tad higher than the Travel Lodge on the corner but lower than the Government Centre building at the back of the site. 4 storey Macquarie Street frontage with the 10 storey tower set back and wrapping around the rest of the site. Looks good. Not going to win any awards for height - about 40 metres overall but a nice little density filler for the CBD. Cost $35 million? - seems too low for me - Hobart building costs are high...I reckon this will be closer to $45 million.

Anyway, some of you clever chaps might be able to post a render or two...
 

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Wow, I was expecting a formula1 style concrete box, a nice surprise these plans.

Some notes:
-296 rooms
-40 car basement (1 level )
-Pool
-Sauna
-Gym
-210m restaurant
-6 Retail tenancies
-Vertical garden
-Target 5 star green rating

Some other renders additional to the ones above.
 
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