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So does HK under the Chinese National Law.
If the person is a Chinese citizen and holds a foreign citizenship, the government only recognises the "Chinese" nationality unless the person declares s/he wants to stay and be treated as a foreign citizen.
(http://www.gov.hk/en/residents/immigration/chinese/nationality.htm)

So does that law actually make all dual citizenship HK citizens a Chinese citizen only, since the government doesn't recognise the other identity anyways?

The government basically doesn't say you can't have a second nationality, but I just don't recognize it. You can't ask for consular protection or benefit as a foreign citizen inside my national territory.
On my HKSAR passport application form it does say that you can have a british passport and an HKSAR passport at the same time, but it assumes you're a chinese national in HK by default unless you declare you want to be treated otherwise, in which case you will not be eligible to get an HKSAR passport.

I heard from some Singaporeans that they are actually forbidden to have dual nationality and a friend of mine actually gave up his british citizenship to get a singaporean one. Correct me if I am wrong, and I'll let my friend know he was stupid :nuts:
 

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不如加入共产党?
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我開始覺得係全城集體打劫政府,恐嚇佢開夾萬分錢,
唔係我就上街對冧你,但政府又冇得拉人鎖你入監,唯有就範開倉派錢。
原則上係同明刀明搶咁去打劫冇乜分別,唔同嘅係法律唔會制裁到你。



其實你盈餘多,肯退稅,基本上已經可以平息好多聲音。你宜家用300幾億每人派6000,你派得一年就好難停。但如果年年甘派落去,只會慢性蠶食香港人固有的奮鬥精神。而且近年每年有幾萬個內地人來港產子,幸好這班生活在內地的港孩還只是小朋友,但如果政府年年甘派落去,到這班小孩滿18歲時,便會年年由內地過關問香港政府要錢,即使他們生活在內地,對香港社會毫無貢獻:eek:hno::eek:hno::eek:hno:
 

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On my HKSAR passport application form it does say that you can have a british passport and an HKSAR passport at the same time, but it assumes you're a chinese national in HK by default unless you declare you want to be treated otherwise, in which case you will not be eligible to get an HKSAR passport.

I heard from some Singaporeans that they are actually forbidden to have dual nationality and a friend of mine actually gave up his british citizenship to get a singaporean one. Correct me if I am wrong, and I'll let my friend know he was stupid :nuts:
british is a little different since it's our colonial history.
many hk-born and raised chinese are a true british national (not the BN(O)), but have never lived in the UK, and never asked for it from the UK.
a friend of mine in hk (chinese) is a british b/c his grandpa was a veteran in the WWII. the british government "awarded" the citizenship to him after the war, and his nationality then passes on to his children, grandchildren, and probably forever.

Well, the smart thing to do is to run to your consulate, get inside its grounds, which is considered foreign territory, and seek help.
beside the US and the Brit, you are basically only hiding in an office somewhere up in a building in central/admiralty.
i wonder can the developer terminate the consulate lease?
 

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6000元研直存銀行戶口

金管局促銀行交戶口數目


【明報專訊】政府宣布派錢6000元後,市民最關注派錢方法。本報記者獲悉,金管局要求本地銀行需於下周一向當局提交以個人及聯名形式開設的零售存款戶口的數目。今次「交數」的戶口只限以個人身分持有的戶口,以公司名義開設的戶口不在呈交範圍內。據了解,政府直接向市民的戶口「派錢」,是目前正研究的方案之一。


金管局發言人表示,不會就與銀行日常溝通工作評論。但銀行界人士指出,金管局做法罕見。財政司長發言人表示,目前仍在研究不同方案。


據了解,政府目前仍未確定會以何種方法「派錢」,正與不同人士溝通,其中一個可能方案是直接派錢到市民的銀行戶口。有銀行界人士認為,金管局今次僅蒐集戶口數目,但由於港人普遍擁有多過一個戶口,甚至在同一銀行亦可能持有多於一個戶口,政府未來尚有大量篩選工作要做。


非人人有戶口 須研其他方案


工銀亞洲董事兼副總經理黃遠輝表示,過往有長者因銀行設有最低存款額而索性不要銀行戶口,故政府要讓他們亦收到6000元,仍要詳細考慮其他方案。永隆銀行存款部主管龔志明則認為,今次金管局收集戶口數字,對研究派發方案幫助有限,「既沒標明是否香港居民,18歲以下人士亦可開戶,戶口數目只是一堆未經處理的數據」。


核對身分證號碼 可免重複派錢


城大MBA課程主任曾淵滄表示,相較澳門派發支票、新加坡轉帳至個人在政府的戶口,若港府採用銀行過戶形式派錢,是較為可行方法。他指出,即使市民擁有多個銀行戶口,但透過電腦核對身分證號碼,可避免重複派錢的混亂,而且毋須郵寄支票,有效減低政府的行政開支。


消息指移民港人同可受惠


另外,對於已移居海外的成年香港永久居民亦可獲發6000元,消息人士稱,派錢大原則是持有永久居民身分證都可受惠,移民後仍持有此身分,同可受惠。消息人士稱,政府無論是原則上或行政上,都難以將移居海外的港人區分開,而他們若為取6000元回港並消費及與家人團聚,亦是好事。
 

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british is a little different since it's our colonial history.
many hk-born and raised chinese are a true british national (not the BN(O)), but have never lived in the UK, and never asked for it from the UK.
a friend of mine in hk (chinese) is a british b/c his grandpa was a veteran in the WWII. the british government "awarded" the citizenship to him after the war, and his nationality then passes on to his children, grandchildren, and probably forever.
Sorry they actually said "foreign passports" instead of "british passports". My bad!
 

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中產人士﹕「派錢不如搞小班」

【明報專訊】執教鞭一年的「80後」教師田先生認為,政府做不到復建居屋、全民退休保障,只採取派錢的短視政策,認為既然有巨額盈餘,應撥款80億作小班教學,才有效實行融合教育,提升教學質素。


除田老師外,遊行隊伍不乏中產「發聲」,張生與妻子(圖)都任職社工,一家三口現居於大角嘴私樓,月租1.5萬元,他認為最不滿預算案未有遏抑樓市,即使勾地亦不能即時供應住宅,解決不了房屋需求的問題,「有錢又派,無錢又派,政府亦幫助不到弱智人士及老人,他們申請入住政府院舍,輪一世也輪不到」。


從事金融的吳先生表示,派錢令貧富懸殊問題更嚴重,作為中產受惠6000元影響不大,反而政策幫助不到基層,應將撥款用予安老、託兒及教育服務。







3前高官狠批「亂派錢」

陳太:一錯再錯 削管治威信


【明報專訊】昨日除大批市民上街抗議預算案外,3名前高官包括前政務司長陳方安生、林煥光和何永謙亦接連轟炸政府「今日的我打倒昨日的我」,對「亂派錢」感到很痛心。陳方安生力斥,財政司長曾俊華那份預算案已是錯誤,如今「人人派6000元」更是「一錯再錯」,偏離審慎理財原則。


陳方安生說,對今年預算案相當失望:「如此派納稅人的錢很不恰當,財政司長在一周內大轉彎,嚴重影響政府管治威信,我恐怕如今管治出現很大問題……財政司長宣讀的那份預算案已是錯,現在是一錯再錯……我認為政府和高官要檢討自己的角色和最近言行。」


陳太指出,一個四人中產家庭,透過派錢、退稅等一系列紓困措施,變相獲數萬元資助﹕「這數萬元是否用得其所呢?是否應撥這筆錢來幫助弱勢社群?政府應多建醫院和學校。」

曾是前特首董建華「心戰室成員」的特首辦前主任、現任平等機會委員會主席林煥光,昨於商台節目《政好星期天》上表示,曾班子要虛心聆聽意見,即使部分政策未能執行,也應耐心向市民解釋,而非以「政治化妝」來掩飾自己的不是。


林煥光:非用政治化妝掩錯


他認為,政府要有一套施政理念,貫徹始終,才可令政策言之成理:「這才不至於左支右絀,才不會令『今日的我打倒昨日的我』,出現得這麼頻密。」


他又指出,政府諮詢時不應有既定立場,否則當民意與立場相違背時,政府只會予人「夾硬來」或「歪曲民意」的印象,最終拖累政府和負責諮詢官員的威信和公信力。


何永謙:為「夠票」派錢得人驚


曾參與福利政策的衛生福利局前副局長何永謙,則於港台節目《城市論壇》中指出,作為前公務員,對政府今日落得如斯田地,「感到好唔開心、好心」。他透露,公務員向來很難為負責的政策取得新撥款,如他當年負責的安老服務獲數千萬元的新資源,已屬難得,但如今曾俊華為了「數夠票」,竟如此大規模派錢,「無論是貧是富,在香港或在外國居住,也可獲派6000元,是好得人驚」。

身在北京的全國人大常委范徐麗泰認為,任何政府政策都會有人不滿,而有人更稱呼香港為「遊行之都」,但香港是自由社會,遊行是市民的權利。
 

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星派錢兒童有份 限用於教育醫療

【明報專訊】星港政府今年同樣面對庫房「水浸」,但「投資未來」的方法迥異。港府的財政預算案在民意壓力下將注資強積金改為派發現金6000元;星政府則同樣派錢,但特別針對兒童派發2440元,規定用作教育和醫療。港大社會工作及行政學系教授葉兆輝形容,「80後買部相機都可能不止6000元」,認為措施讓青年消費後,仍無助解決80後困境。


按入息派錢 「不是人人有份」


新加坡今年亦向250萬名新加坡人派錢,金額由610港元至4880港元不等,視乎入息而定,同時向22萬名6歲以下兒童派發最多2440港元津貼,作教育、醫療開支,減輕父母負擔。葉兆輝認為,港府派錢6000元,只是一種妥協,他說﹕「沒考慮過市民需要,對八十後的未來也沒有幫助」,並指新加坡今年同樣派錢,但會按市民入息決定金額,「不是人人有份」。


星80後:港府派錢損威信


港大新加坡海外生陳浩揚認為,今次派錢會打擊港府管治威信,「令市民覺得政府推出預算案前沒心思熟慮,與其派錢不如投放在教育、為社福機構設立基金等,為未來做準備」;其宿友港生甘文豪則認為,港府應在公布預算案之初便宣布派現金計劃,擔心今次政府「轉」,開施政壞先例。
 

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Cash strapped

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Thursday, March 10, 2011


Hong Kong faces a potential government shutdown after the Legislative Council for the first time rejected a HK$60.2 billion bill for initial expenditure for the new fiscal year from April 1.
But an operational cash crisis is unlikely as the government can submit a revised motion to be tabled next Wednesday.

Yesterday Legco members voted 17-0 in favor of the bill, with 14 abstentions. Four others registered their presence, but did not vote.

The measure failed because it did not receive support from half the 36 members present.

Financial Secretary John Tsang Chun-wah condemned the lawmakers' rejection of the allocation, which would cover expenditure from April 1 to April 13 when the budget is passed, as "very irresponsible" and "puts politics before welfare of the public."

The vote came as 13 pro- establishment lawmakers were in Beijing for meetings of the National People's Congress and the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.

Pan-democrats said they are not to blame. "We have shown all our cards from the start - and we only abstained," unionist Lee Cheuk-yan said. "It was the other side that failed to get enough votes."

Another pan-democrat, Leung Yiu- chung, said: "Lawmakers do not have to be a rubber stamp."

The chairman of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong, Tam Yiu-chung, said from Beijing the pan-democrats played a game that went wrong.

Party member and Exco member Lau Kong-wah said in Hong Kong: "I don't want to blame them. The lawmakers have their responsibility and they have to shoulder the political consequences."

The pro-establishment camp's Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee apologized for her absence at the voting, adding the government is responsible for ensuring it has enough votes.

Rita Fan Hsu Lai-tai, the former Legco president and a member of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, said in Beijing that the incident showed the importance of pro-government lawmakers.

"It has never happened since I was a legislator under the Sino-British government," Fan said. "It should be routine to ensure normal operation of the government. It should be outside of politics.

"Although some may speak of their dissatisfaction, it should have passed to ensure the daily operation of the government departments.

Fan asked: "Do we really want the government to stop operation or was it merely a political gesture? Can they explain to the public how it benefits the public?"

Before the voting, Secretary for Financial Services and the Treasury Ceajer Chan Ka-keung made a last- ditch effort to win lawmakers' support, saying it has nothing to do with the revised budget.

After the vote, a poker-faced Chan said the rejection was "irresponsible and unnecessary."

John Tsang said: "We will take action as soon as possible to ensure normal operation of public services will not be affected."

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party plans to move a vote of no confidence against Tsang, saying he failed in his duty as financial secretary to make use of large financial reserves to tackle deep-rooted conflicts in society.

Political commentator Ma Ngok said the lawmakers in Beijing who failed to show up are responsible for the loss.

"You cannot take it for granted that lawmakers in Hong Kong will pass something. The [pan-democrat] lawmakers may vote for their voters," Ma said.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_...3&sid=31587329&con_type=1&d_str=20110310&fc=7
 

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政治凌駕市民利益
高官「失預算」陷管治窘境


【本報訊】政府臨時撥款有史以來首次被否決,政界人士及學者均指,事件最終雖未必會對政府運作構成實質影響,但政府行事混亂的醜態已暴露人前,形象進一步低落,勢深化管治危機。全國人大常委范徐麗泰直指港府「失預算」,未「數夠票」便提交撥款表決,並以「多災多難」形容港府今天的管治窘境。


范太形容「多災多難」
正身在北京出席人大政協「兩會」會議的范徐麗泰稱,立法會表決臨時撥款屬每年例行公事,但竟不獲通過,令市民在驚愕之中感到不安,相信港府是在「失咗預算」下行事,致令撥款無法通過,「如果政府預先估到,就會急call喺度開緊會嘅政協、人大返香港投票啦」。她擔心泛民與政府關係會進一步惡化,出現不可收拾局面,又指港府在預算案後接連受挫,是「多災多難」,對特區政府表示同情。


黃錢其濂批評,港府服務市民的方法追不上時代。 (資料圖片)
多名身在北京的建制派議員知道撥款被否決的消息後亦均表錯愕,工聯會黨團召集人黃國健稱,政府事前並沒有就撥款問題接觸他,反映事件超出港府掌握之內。他說,若政府運作因而癱瘓,有份否決撥款的議員須負上責任。經濟動力林健鋒亦批評泛民做法不理智,罔顧市民利益。

AO手段未掌握民意
前衞生福利司黃錢其濂批評,財政預算案與市民的要求脫節,沒有觸及樓市、通脹和港元貶值等市民最關心的問題,亦沒有提供紓緩貧富懸殊的方法,令市民十分失望:「政府服務市民嘅方法追唔上時代,冇錯依家氣氛係好惡劣,但官民並非唔可以合作,問題係官追唔上時代,用以往A.O.(政務主任)手段去解決問題。」她指出,以往香港政府會在制訂財政預算前會有五年和十年的經濟規劃,惟現時特區政府並無相關長遠經濟計劃,加上未能掌握民意,令問題更趨嚴峻

前公務員事務局局長王永平指,美國曾試過政府撥款遭國會否決,有政府部門運作因而陷入癱瘓,他相信香港不會出現這種情況,但事件已進一步加深港府在市民心目中的負面形象,「行事混亂,好似甩甩漏漏咁」,港府管治威信勢受挫。
 

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議員提出預算案近四千問題
(明報)2011年3月15日 星期二 18:55

立法會議員至今就開支預算向政府提出了超過3,900條問題,打破歷年紀錄。

立法會財務委員會主席劉慧卿議員表示,雖然本港擁有數以千億元的財政儲備,但立法會議員會以一貫審慎態度,履行監察公共財政的憲制責任。

財務委員會將於3月21日至25日舉行連串特別會議,審核2011-12年度財政預算案及政府未來一個財政年度的開支預算。

這些問題由56位議員提出,涵蓋83項開支分目和主要基金。劉慧卿議員補充說:「社會福利、教育和與衞生有關的議題,再次高踞最常見問題的前列位置。」

由於當局首次就今年的財政預算案在立法會發表一星期後便提出調整建議,引起社會廣泛注意。調整建議包括取消原本注資6,000元入強積金 帳目的建議,取而代之,是向全港十八歲或以上持有香港永久居民身份證的市民,派發一筆為數6,000元的款項。

劉慧卿說:「我們已與政府商定作出特別安排,讓議員可於3月25日的特別會議上審議調整建議及開支預算的其他公共開支項目。」

她亦已邀請財政司司長曾俊華親自出席3月25日的會議,解釋調整建議,並已為議員爭取更多時間審視最新的調整建議及向政府提出質詢。

^^ Wow... that's a lot of questions to answer...!!
 

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I think the pan-democratic guys didn't quite expect this. The initial expenditure will pass.
立法會35票贊成12票棄權通過臨時撥款決議案
(商台)2011年3月16日 星期三 19:01

立法會以35票贊成,12票棄權,通過597億元的臨時撥款決議案,政府在四月一日至預算案通過前,可以有資源如常提供公共服務。財經事務及庫務局局長陳家強表示,不希望撥款進一步延誤,令醫療及社會服務等公眾服務,被迫停頓。在議案辯論中,泛民與建制派議員,不斷就上星期撥款被否決的事互相指摘。職工盟李卓人指,建制派議員是「賊喊捉賊」,把否決撥款的責任,推卸在泛民身上。獨立的鄭家富認為,政府是「以退為進」扮可憐。

工聯會潘佩璆批評,泛民把否決撥款的責任,推卸給沒出席的議員,是強盜邏輯及無羞恥之心。經濟動力林健峰認為,泛民把巿民的利益,變做談判的籌碼。
 

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立法會35票贊成12票棄權通過臨時撥款決議案
(商台)2011年3月16日 星期三 19:01

立法會以35票贊成,12票棄權,通過597億元的臨時撥款決議案,政府在四月一日至預算案通過前,可以有資源如常提供公共服務。財經事務及庫務局局長陳家強表示,不希望撥款進一步延誤,令醫療及社會服務等公眾服務,被迫停頓。在議案辯論中,泛民與建制派議員,不斷就上星期撥款被否決的事互相指摘。職工盟李卓人指,建制派議員是「賊喊捉賊」,把否決撥款的責任,推卸在泛民身上。獨立的鄭家富認為,政府是「以退為進」扮可憐。

工聯會潘佩璆批評,泛民把否決撥款的責任,推卸給沒出席的議員,是強盜邏輯及無羞恥之心。經濟動力林健峰認為,泛民把巿民的利益,變做談判的籌碼。
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