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In Hong Kong, we tend to think that Macau is doing way better than Hong Kong after our reunification with our motherland. We bash the government, we compare with Macau, and we complain about everything.

I'm just wondering how the average Macau citizen views this issue. Do they really think that Macau has been doing well all the time, or do they think they are relying too much on gambling industry?
 

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Macau is doing quite well and Macau Government is doing an excellent job so far. Edmund Ho is a fantastic leader and he knows what Macau needs. The reunification with the motherland went very well because of the good friendship between Portugal and China. It was an amazing hand to boost local economy and social rates.
 

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The British have been known to plant bad seeds in places they've colonized. A sort of scorched-earth tactic to cripple the people when they are forced to leave. You have the outright hypocrisy of the British crying for democracy in Hong Kong when out the 156 years of British occupation only the last six had the only measure of the half-assed democracy they installed and that only came about because the British knew the hand-over was coming. The only difference between being ruled by the British and ruled by the Chinese is that the people of Hong Kong have had a longer history of "democracy" under Beijing than with the British. How ironic!

Go Macau!
 

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We should also remember that balancing the needs of 450,000 people is very different from satisfying 7,000,000 people. HK is a much more difficult city to take care of because of its enormous economic power and the social issues attributed to large and dense population.

Both the HK and Macau governments have risen to the challenge of maintaining the faith of the people and continue to work hard to satisfy the people's needs while still allowing Beijing to feel confident in its symbolic sovereignty.
 

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From an outsider's POV, it seems like Hong Kong is slightly more "spoiled" (due to the lack of a better word) than Macau, no offense of course.

Hong Kong is clearly more successful than Macau in many ways, not to mention more well-known globally. Hong Kong also has a much larger population than Macau as mentioned above. I've also met quite a few Hong Kongers, although not all, who are "proud" of the fact that HK was once a British colony, as if that makes them better than everyone else, although to the British, HKers were just colonized people. I don't know if the same can be said about Macau but out of the only two people from Macau that I know, neither took pride in their hometown being a ex-Portuguese colony. With all those elements combined, it's no wonder that there are more problems in Hong Kong regarding reunification than Macau.
 

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The British have been known to plant bad seeds in places they've colonized. A sort of scorched-earth tactic to cripple the people when they are forced to leave. You have the outright hypocrisy of the British crying for democracy in Hong Kong when out the 156 years of British occupation only the last six had the only measure of the half-assed democracy they installed and that only came about because the British knew the hand-over was coming. The only difference between being ruled by the British and ruled by the Chinese is that the people of Hong Kong have had a longer history of "democracy" under Beijing than with the British. How ironic!

Go Macau!
2nd that!
Go Macau!

HK kids are spoiled.:)
 

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macau is completely different compare to hong kong, people in macau are tending to be more relax and not as aggressive compare to hong kong. i used to go to hong kong a lot and would like to go back there soon, its great to go shopping there coz there are so many shopping places in hong kong, but i wouldnt perfer to live there.

Macau is doing quite well at the moment, but it doesnt mean that it will also do well in the future. The property prices are soaring and this makes it very difficult for people to afford an apartment now in macau, even the second hand one is expensive to afford. If you want to look for a new apartment now in macau, it costs at least 1m and can you imagine how long does it take for a person with average income only to save and buy these apartments? Also, everything is getting more expensive but people wages doesnt seem to increase much (except for those who work in casinos), so do u reckon this is good or bad?
 

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i think the cases are different
When the British left HK in 1997 the economy was at its peak which followed by the Asian financial turmoil.

When the Portuguese let Macau in 1999, the economy was at its trough after the financial turmoil which followed by the economic revival.

So I think HK fell from grade A to B, while Macau rose from C- to C+ before and after the handovers.

So people may think that Macau was doing better than Hong Kong did.
 

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i think its an over drastic generalization that most hongers are proud of their colonial heritage and other places not ...
hongers is positive about its colonial heritage
that is mainly attributed to it being the times of economic prosperity ... hongers knew their competitive advantage partly came from its colonial heritage ... however at the same time ... hongers knew the events leading up to the colonial rule ... imo hongers are more proud to be a chinese living in hong kong and are far more interested in its economic prosperity and its stock market than its colonial past ...

whats interesting is ... is hong kong more proud of its colonial heritage than
macau is of its portugese heritage ... taiwan is of its japanese heritage ...
shanghai is of its western influences???
 

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Macau may find a problem in the future if it continues to depend so much in gambling and tourism
 

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sasamaca said:
i think the cases are different
When the British left HK in 1997 the economy was at its peak which followed by the Asian financial turmoil.

When the Portuguese let Macau in 1999, the economy was at its trough after the financial turmoil which followed by the economic revival.

So I think HK fell from grade A to B, while Macau rose from C- to C+ before and after the handovers.

So people may think that Macau was doing better than Hong Kong did.
Exactly...
 

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It felt like Hong Kong dropped from an "A" feeling to a "C" feeling during the financial crisis, went back up to B by 2002, and back to C+ during the SARS crisis.
 

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Ok... Hong Kong's leadership has severely sufered post-1997 not through incompetent leaders but through incompetent ways of legislating.

IMO, Macau's leadership is more efficient for governing a place that size with that many people. Their efforts in increasing tourism and building attractions is something nothing short of remarkable. Also, security has greatly improven. If for anything, HK should look towards Macau for leadership advice.

The constant protests in HK over the stupidest things are a disgrace in the name of "democracy". Can't people realize that there are more ACTIVE and PRODUCTIVE ways than just protesting which if anyone hasn't already noticed, does NOT work!

And in case you're wondering, I'm not from Macau but I thought I'd put in my two cents.
 

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Macau's leadership is more efficient because the new administration was very smart. They kept the good guys of portuguese administration (the garbage was sent back to Lisbon) so they didn't need to start from zero. I guess Edmund Ho boys know how to get the maximum of chinese-portuguese mix or "alliance". Good job Macau Government!
 

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Macau's leadership is more efficient because the new administration was very smart. They kept the good guys of portuguese administration (the garbage was sent back to Lisbon) so they didn't need to start from zero. I guess Edmund Ho boys know how to get the maximum of chinese-portuguese mix or "alliance". Good job Macau Government!
Hong Kong, IMO, is WAY too spoiled with the freedoms/ rights that a "democracy is entitled to". How often do they forget that they are so much better off than a vast majority of the people around the world that they take it for granted. I mean in another democratic country (I know HK is not a country but w/e), its considered an atrocity. I'm starting to get confused as to whose causing the problem. The government of the people? Or both? Or none at all and they're all just a little upset/ frustrated.
 

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Macau's a small tourist town. Macau doesn't have a lot of potential to be anything but a tourist/gambling spot.

Hong Kong has the potential to be many different things. That's why people are fighting/arguing/potesting to move it in the direction they want.
 

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Macau is good after handover because they began to allow several parties to setup gambling businesses. Because of this, there is less conflict between local gangs and so it seems to make the society more safe... Also, people from Mainland are now making too much money and come to gamble...

Hong Kong is a financial centre and Macau is a tourism spot. There are more voice in Hong Kong simply because there are too many 政棍/神棍 (how to translate?) in HK. Food, Electricity and Water (and Money) comes from the Mainland, so I think HK really can't be alone anyway. It is really a simple argument. Whether you like the country or the party is another business.
 

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Hong Kong, IMO, is WAY too spoiled with the freedoms/ rights that a "democracy is entitled to". How often do they forget that they are so much better off than a vast majority of the people around the world that they take it for granted. I mean in another democratic country (I know HK is not a country but w/e), its considered an atrocity.
Exactly. I think Hong Kongers should visit other developed countries more often.

On the other hand, this ignorance is what drove Hong Kong to the top - by demanding the best services and everything.
 

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Anyhow... democracy IS not a must for a good economic system. As a Canadian I truly felt democracy actually slows down efficiency--- so that Singapore, Macau and Hong Kong took advantage of their better policy and now their economic system is better than Canada right now. (Canada is full of red-tapes...) Why should an average citizen control their government? We take that for granted but we definitely don't agree with the ideas of those Hong Kongers, especially the younger generations. ;) They think the system in Canada or other developed countries are better because of democracy. That idea is seriously wrong in my humble opinion.

About the difference of Macau and Hong Kong: Both of them are developed regions now... Macau has higher GDP per capita than Portugal, and slightly higher living standard, despite a very high density, which is similar to Hong Kong. Macau... does not serve as a competitive industrial/commercial centre as cities of similar population size in North America--- e.g. Winnipeg, Chattanooga, Quebec City, or Halifax. On the other hand, Macau has much better tourism infrastructure. Macau is very touristic for its small size. While actually Hong Kong is also very touristic--- the financial importance is far more important to its economy. For sure I understand why the Brits didn't introduce democracy to Hong Kong--- Brits want to make more money for themselves! They focused on light industry, though Hong Kong was heavily rely on touristic during this period. So that Hong Kong was a developing city... by then Macau was still very similar to Hong Kong. But the British Colonialist realised that an open economic system would transform Hong Kong into a developed city--- at the meantime, UK could get a lot benefit from Hong Kong by making it a developed economy. Portuguese Macau, on the other hand, they tried to make Macau as a touristic capital of the region--- because Portugal itself has focused strongly in tourism rather than industry. Actually Portuguese industrial infrastructure is very incompetent even to its neighbouring Spain, not to mention Britain. Therefore Portugal simply copied what they did to Lisbon to Macau. And eventually transformed Macau into a developed city--- strongly relies on tourism rather than traditional industries.
 
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