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look at this graphic.

Have you had visa hassles preparing for your summer holiday?
Two-thirds of global travelers need paperwork to tour foreign countries.

More than a simple grant of access into a country, your passport is a reflexion of geopolitics, relationship between nations and a country's stature relative to the rest of the world.

You are wrong if you think that the US passport is the world most powerful :
Finland, UK and Sweden grant more visa-free access than the US (one more!)

How about Ethiopia ? an Ethiopian passport allows you to get visa-free to 46 states. obviously, war-torn countries such as Afghanistan or Iraq, Somalia rank at the bottom line.

even with a Chinese passport, whom most of folks consider the next super-power, you could not enjoy many countries...

Consider Israel, the most powerful nation in the entire Middle East and Africa : grants you 144 visa-free access !!!

Africa ? a dead zone...:eek:hno:
 

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I am glad you brought this topic solomon , do you notice that it is actually those nations who claim to stand up for human right that obsessively restrict the movement of humans, I know their reason are economic, but I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy.
 
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These barriers are not merely an inconvenience. They operate like other trade barriers, impeding economic growth and depressing job creation in countries that have not opened their doors.

within the West, it looks like a "premium club", something like a private club select...
those who belong to that club enjoy more benefits...

it's even more geo-political interests than economic...those who embrace the western values, and capitalism-led model may enjoy free-trade advantages, hassles-free travelling experience..
 

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These barriers are not merely an inconvenience. They operate like other trade barriers, impeding economic growth and depressing job creation in countries that have not opened their doors.

within the West, it looks like a "premium club", something like a private club select...
those who belong to that club enjoy more benefits...

it's even more geo-political interests than economic...those who embrace the western values, and capitalism-led model may enjoy free-trade advantages, hassles-free travelling experience..
Solomon, I very much agree with the feeling of, "being a member of an ,exclusive & premium club" associated with western citizenship.

but geopolitics, is not the real reason, for the closed door policy the west practices, look at many countries in Africa, Asia and Latin america ,, who accepted and practice the western political and economic model, and see if they have any better access to the west than the so called authoritarian's. On the other hand people from Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, etc,, can enter into western countries with less restrictions, than let say Colombians, Brazilians, Mexicans etc,,

The west knows that from experience of the natives of the Americas and Australian continents, and how they lost their own countries due to European immigration. unrestricted immigration means huge number of people from poorer parts of the world coming and settling their land, which will end up in them being minorities and loosing their own political power in their own lands. They don't want that to happen to the west.

What the west really practice is something they call managed immigration, it is purely economic, if we see the west as that exclusive private club for the wealthy, that club will need to employ poor people who can do all the manual service those wealthy guys will not do, and that is when we come into that club.
 
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Travelling with an Ethiopian passport just simply SUCKS! You're treated at best with suspicion, at worst like a criminal pretty much everywhere in the world.
you are very harsh AM2,

i would rather say that the passport reflects the stature of the country (geo politic, economic, relationship with others, business, military...) as i mentioned earlier.

obviously, since Ethiopia belongs to the "poor club" we cannot expect great expectations now...

look at South Korea today : his remarkable economic achievement gave him an international stature - with all privilege - like Australia.

there is only one path : growth growth and growth !
 

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look at many countries in Africa, Asia and Latin america ,, who accepted and practice the western political and economic model, and see if they have any better access to the west than the so called authoritarian's. On the other hand people from Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, etc,, can enter into western countries with less restrictions, than let say Colombians, Brazilians, Mexicans etc.
That is not true at all. Both Mexicans and Brazilians have visa free access to the Schnegan Area and the UK. Citizens of Saudi, Kuwait, and Qatar need a visa.
 

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look at this graphic.

Have you had visa hassles preparing for your summer holiday?
Two-thirds of global travelers need paperwork to tour foreign countries.

More than a simple grant of access into a country, your passport is a reflexion of geopolitics, relationship between nations and a country's stature relative to the rest of the world.

You are wrong if you think that the US passport is the world most powerful :
Finland, UK and Sweden grant more visa-free access than the US (one more!)

How about Ethiopia ? an Ethiopian passport allows you to get visa-free to 46 states. obviously, war-torn countries such as Afghanistan or Iraq, Somalia rank at the bottom line.

even with a Chinese passport, whom most of folks consider the next super-power, you could not enjoy many countries...

Consider Israel, the most powerful nation in the entire Middle East and Africa : grants you 144 visa-free access !!!

Africa ? a dead zone...:eek:hno:
China is not a super power, the only thing they have to boast is their cheap manufacturing which some u.s companies are leaving because of the increasing increasing shipping costs
 

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China is not a super power, the only thing they have to boast is their cheap manufacturing which some u.s companies are leaving because of the increasing increasing shipping costs
China took so much manufacturing from the west but still the majority of its manufacturers are indigenous.
 

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China took so much manufacturing from the west but still the majority of its manufacturers are indigenous.
in 2008 when American consumers were suffering from the recession, most companies did not produce as much items or import them from china, which led china to start a historic spending program worth trillions. So ask your self, which one really needs the other, does the west really need china as much as china needs the west?

What china needs to do is expand it's influence, and it can't do that by claiming land from it's neighbors and threatening war if the neighbors send fishing ships there :lol:, also china needs allies which it does not have many of (North Korea and maybe Russia)
 

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in 2008 when American consumers were suffering from the recession, most companies did not produce as much items or import them from china, which led china to start a historic spending program worth trillions. So ask your self, which one really needs the other, does the west really need china as much as china needs the west?

What china needs to do is expand it's influence, and it can't do that by claiming land from it's neighbors and threatening war if the neighbors send fishing ships there :lol:, also china needs allies which it does not have many of (North Korea and maybe Russia)
in 2008 when American consumers were suffering from the recession, most companies did not produce as much items or import them from china, which led china to start a historic spending program worth trillions. So ask your self, which one really needs the other, does the west really need china as much as china needs the west?

What china needs to do is expand it's influence, and it can't do that by claiming land from it's neighbors and threatening war if the neighbors send fishing ships there :lol:, also china needs allies which it does not have many of (North Korea and maybe Russia)
China is set to be the next super-power. here is the point. no one can change this fact. it is going to happen.

The US don't need China ?? really
Actually, the US have never been so dependent on China :

First, China is the World largest lender: They lend a fortune to the US, around $1.3 trillion US in treasuries and bonds !!, what does it mean, China is the US banker !
The US keep borrowing money from China whose total asset worth $4 trillions ( the world largest Fund !)

second, Yuan (Chinese' national currency) has already overtaken euro as 2nd most used currency in trade finance and will soon surpass the US dollar as top reserve currency.
source : http://www.cnbc.com/id/101450365#

third: most of US corporations cannot survive without Chinese manufacturing hubs. America imports every year hundreds of billions of dollars goods made in china
look at that :
The world’s biggest retailer, U.S.-based Wal-Mart was responsible for $27 billion in U.S. imports from China in 2006 and 11% of the growth of the total U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006. Wal-Mart’s trade deficit with China alone eliminated nearly 200,000 U.S. jobs in this period.
imagine now in 2014. how many billions !
source : http://www.epi.org/publication/ib235/

fourth: China is now home of the world largest car market, ahead the US ( actually 4 years ago) and the US car-makers, struggling at home, are enjoying record sales in China : Ford and GM sales ? almost 2 millions cars in mainland China...it is the second market after the US !

fifth: see also my previous post about China to overtake the US economy in 2015. And look at this : http://www.cnbc.com/id/101626562

sixth: how do you measure the wealth of a country? his ability to innovate,its creativity, its investments in R&D, its education rate etc..
guess what ? a report said in 2022, china will surpass the US in R&D according to the 2014 Global R&D Funding Forecast, prepared by Battelle, a research and technology development organization, and R&D Magazine. it is already the second world biggest investor in science and technology.
source : http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246774/China_s_R_D_investment_getting_closer_to_U.S.

So china is still a backward country ? under-educated ? you are confusing china in the 90s and today !! the country is now a huge powerhouse. Never under-estimate them. don't be indoctrinated with western propaganda.
source : http://www.cnbc.com/id/101450365#

btw, have you heard about the Development Bank ? under the Chinese leadership
http://fortune.com/2014/08/01/why-the-brics-nations-should-have-their-own-development-bank/
 

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China is set to be the next super-power. here is the point. no one can change this fact. it is going to happen. The US don't need China ?? really Actually, the US have never been so dependent on China : First, China is the World largest lender: They lend a fortune to the US, around $1.3 trillion US in treasuries and bonds !!, what does it mean, China is the US banker ! The US keep borrowing money from China whose total asset worth $4 trillions ( the world largest Fund !) second, Yuan (Chinese' national currency) has already overtaken euro as 2nd most used currency in trade finance and will soon surpass the US dollar as top reserve currency. source : http://www.cnbc.com/id/101450365# third: most of US corporations cannot survive without Chinese manufacturing hubs. America imports every year hundreds of billions of dollars goods made in china look at that : The world’s biggest retailer, U.S.-based Wal-Mart was responsible for $27 billion in U.S. imports from China in 2006 and 11% of the growth of the total U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006. Wal-Mart’s trade deficit with China alone eliminated nearly 200,000 U.S. jobs in this period. imagine now in 2014. how many billions ! source : http://www.epi.org/publication/ib235/ fourth: China is now home of the world largest car market, ahead the US ( actually 4 years ago) and the US car-makers, struggling at home, are enjoying record sales in China : Ford and GM sales ? almost 2 millions cars in mainland China...it is the second market after the US ! fifth: see also my previous post about China to overtake the US economy in 2015. And look at this : http://www.cnbc.com/id/101626562 sixth: how do you measure the wealth of a country? his ability to innovate,its creativity, its investments in R&D, its education rate etc.. guess what ? a report said in 2022, china will surpass the US in R&D according to the 2014 Global R&D Funding Forecast, prepared by Battelle, a research and technology development organization, and R&D Magazine. it is already the second world biggest investor in science and technology. source : http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246774/China_s_R_D_investment_getting_closer_to_U.S. So china is still a backward country ? under-educated ? you are confusing china in the 90s and today !! the country is now a huge powerhouse. Never under-estimate them. don't be indoctrinated with western propaganda. source : http://www.cnbc.com/id/101450365# btw, have you heard about the Development Bank ? under the Chinese leadership http://fortune.com/2014/08/01/why-the-brics-nations-should-have-their-own-development-bank/
china the highest public debt for any developing Nation at over 250% and also you don't understand, the u.s can borrow money from their treasure(which they now own the largest share of debt) and or Japan, which has already lent the U.S hundreds of billions of dollars.

China will collapse so fast it will be a joke, their government is a joke disguising growth figures and punishing anyone seeking for rights, countries like these ones have never had a good ending, just watch, the communist party has 10-30 years before their reign ends. And the west will laugh just like at how the Soviet Union ended.
 

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china the highest public debt for any developing Nation at over 250% and also you don't understand, the u.s can borrow money from their treasure(which they now own the largest share of debt) and or Japan, which has already lent the U.S hundreds of billions of dollars.
So why is the US borrowing money from China, if it can borrow from its own treasury, or even its allay Japan , rather than Communist China???:nuts:

But any way the last time I herd , Japan was also a country under a huge debt,

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesgruber/2013/08/10/a-japanese-crisis-nears/

China will collapse so fast it will be a joke, their government is a joke disguising growth figures and punishing anyone seeking for rights, countries like these ones have never had a good ending, just watch, the communist party has 10-30 years before their reign ends. And the west will laugh just like at how the Soviet Union ended.
I don't think you realize haw far china had come from the days of uncertainty, if the Chinese system is going to collapse, it would have happened in 1989, but unlike the Soviet Union, which was mismanaged to ruin,( because I think the fault for the break up lies with Gorbachev's government, rather than with the Soviet political system, instead of reforming the Soviet economy, as the Chinese did with their economy, they went on to reform the Soviet politics, with their experiment's of Glasnost and Perestroika, and ended up creating political chaos, which broke up the Soviet Union).

I think the Chinese have learned from that fetal mistake. They have radically reformed their economy, but have been implementing gradual political reforms. If you notice, the Chinese people of today enjoy more political liberty, than those of the earlier generations, which means that the Chinese communist party has been implementing political reforms gradually.

the Chinese system has shown to the world it is well managed, politically and economically. The Chinese ship have definitely survived the worst of the storm, it is now entering the calm waters of economic and political superpower status, China is doing very well, by any standard, it is expected to be the largest economy in the world by 2015.

There is no disguise or falsification in their growth, if you dispute the figures the Chinese government releases, you can turn to the figures western institutions release, they all say the same thing , "china is the new power in the world".
 
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So why is the US borrowing money from China, if it can borrow from its own treasury, or even its allay Japan , rather than Communist China???:nuts: But any way the last time I herd , Japan was also a country under a huge debt, http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesgruber/2013/08/10/a-japanese-crisis-nears/ I don't think you realize haw far china had come from the days of uncertainty, if the Chinese system is going to collapse, it would have happened in 1989, but unlike the Soviet Union, which was mismanaged to ruin,( because I think the fault for the break up lies with Gorbachev's government, rather than with the Soviet political system, instead of reforming the Soviet economy, as the Chinese did with their economy, they went on to reform the Soviet politics, with their experiment's of Glasnost and Perestroika, and ended up creating political chaos, which broke up the Soviet Union). I think the Chinese have learned from that fetal mistake. They have radically reformed their economy, but have been implementing gradual political reforms. If you notice, the Chinese people of today enjoy more political liberty, than those of the earlier generations, which means that the Chinese communist party has been implementing political reforms gradually. the Chinese system has shown to the world it is well managed, politically and economically. The Chinese ship have definitely survived the worst of the storm, it is now entering the calm waters of economic and political superpower status, China is doing very well, by any standard, it is expected to be the largest economy in the world by 2015. There is no disguise or falsification in their growth, if you dispute the figures the Chinese government releases, you can turn to the figures western institutions release, they all say the same thing , "china is the new power in the world".
The fact that the Chinese censor games/movies/opinions from other countries means they haven't changed at all from the soviet union, the only thing china should be proud of is it's large amount of consumers, but sooner or later they will demand democracy and go against the communist government, Why do you think some people disappear after making statements against the communist government. Progression my ass, totalitarian governments all end the same way and that's six feet under
 

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Lets hope that nothing collapse since it will affect poor countries the most.
those who have nothing will loose nothing :lol:
 

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but geopolitics, is not the real reason, for the closed door policy the west practices, look at many countries in Africa, Asia and Latin america ,, who accepted and practice the western political and economic model, and see if they have any better access to the west than the so called authoritarian's. On the other hand people from Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, etc,, can enter into western countries with less restrictions, than let say Colombians, Brazilians, Mexicans etc.

false, European Union visa lists:

Schengen member states
Other EU members and special territories of EU and Schengen members
Visa-free access to the Schengen states for 90 days in any 180 day period, although some Annex II nationals can enjoy longer visa-free access in some circumstances.
Visa required to enter the Schengen states
Visa required for transit via the Schengen states
Visa status unknown


*The European Parliament approved the elimination of visa to Peru and Colombia this year. (28 more countries in the passport)

Latín América did not adopt the western way of doing things, latin américa is Western.
 

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^^ The west does not consider latin America western, U.S destroyed most latin american countries back in the 1900s, so what you said doesn'y make sense
 
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