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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...nightsbridge-barracks-property-week-says.html

2The U.K.’s Ministry of Defence plans to sell the six-acre Knightsbridge Barracks near Hyde Park in London that houses about 300 soldiers and their horses, Property Week reported, without saying where it got the information.
The MoD is being advised by agent CBRE on a potential sale of the property, which includes a 200,000-square-foot tower, and the marketing process may begin as early as next week, subject to ministerial approval, the magazine said on its website.

The sale could raise 300 million pounds ($475 million) to 500 million pounds, according to Property Week, citing unidentified people in the market. Apartments near the barracks have sold for as much as 7,000 pounds a square foot, the magazine said."

Wonder if the Candy's will buy it.

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If it means the demolition of this, then it can only be good...

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I'm quite sure that the Basil Spence tower has only recently been refurbished. I remember last summer scaffolding went up around it and I was hopeful that it was getting the chop but then a friend in the Guards told me it was all being redone... bugger
Not sure where the Cavalry is going to be moved to, perhaps to Hounslow Barracks which is curently being refurbished, Regents Park (Albany Street) Barracks) or perhaps they will go to Woolwich Barracks alog with the Royal Horse Artillery following the recent disposal of the St John Wood Cavalry Barracks.

I should imagine the Basil Spence designed Tower will be made in to luxury flats and the rest demolished and made in to some Candy & Candy One Hyde Park type development. Then again we atill await the outcome of the Chelsea Barracks on going saga.

The question also has to be asked as to whether it is wise to move so many military units out of London, and there have also been rumours regarding the future of RAF Northolt.

Aren't the military classed as first responders should there be a major terrorist attack or dirty bomb, and weren't the military an option when it came to last years mass disorder in London.

Furthermore won't such a move make it more problematic to stage events such as Trooping the Colour and the numerous other colourful pagentry which makes London so unique.







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Well I for one wouldn't mind living in that tower. Not that it would be affordable if it gets converted. At least then when I was at home, I wouldn't be able to see it :troll:
The question also has to be asked as to whether it is wise to move so many military units out of London...

Aren't the military classed as first responders should there be a major terrorist attack or dirty bomb, and weren't the military an option when it came to last years mass disorder in London.
Saving a few pennies towards budget deficit reduction is a much larger concern just now.
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are they undervaluing their assets again?? i'm sure it could be worth more that value
Saving a few pennies towards budget deficit reduction is a much larger concern just now.
Sad but true :(
It seemed like they went all out in the 60's to wreck London's skyline with towerblocks. A walk around Hyde Park reveals many of these cancerous eyesores sticking up above the trees. It's not that I'm against high rise. I live in one. It's just they seemed to build so many in the 60's that were in incredibly inappropriate places. I guess the term 'sightline' didn't exist then.
Personally the barracks block is one of the worst. I'd love to watch that being taken down. Sadly it won't happen. Imagine what they will sell for as flats? Sorry I meant lifestyle apartments.
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I would guess whoever buys it will use the tower as leverage in negotiations with Westminster.

We will demolish the tower so long as you allow us to the fill the site with mid rise blocks ala One Hyde Park.
Personally I too can see this tower coming down, even though it was recently refurbished. Whoever gets hold of this site is going to build some seriously expensive development. If I was spending £45 million I would't want to be in the shadow of that ugly thing...
Personally I too can see this tower coming down, even though it was recently refurbished. Whoever gets hold of this site is going to build some seriously expensive development. If I was spending £45 million I would't want to be in the shadow of that ugly thing...
Basil Spence was also responsible for 102 Petty France (the Old Home Office building at what was then Queens Anne's Gate and which is now home to the Ministry of Justice). His most notable work being Coventry Cathedral.

Lord Fawsley was quoted as saying at the time that "Basil Spence's barracks in Hyde Park ruined that park; in fact, he has the distinction of having ruined two parks" with the Petty France building backing on to St James's Park and the Knighstbridge Barracks building looming over Hyde Park.

However Spence's work is highly regarded by groups such as the Twentieth Century Society who I fear will try to have the Knightsbridge Tower perserved or listed, just as they did with other controversial architects such as Ernő Goldfinger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/102_Petty_France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Basil_Spence

http://www.c20society.org.uk/

102 Petty France over looking London's St James's Park

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The old home office is a handsome example of brutalism and I like it. The barracks however are not so great.
The old home office is a handsome example of brutalism and I like it. The barracks however are not so great.
I think the criticism surrounding the old Home Office building was more to do with it's location than the actual building itself.

The building itself underwent a massive refurbishment after the Home Office left and is very pleasant internally.

http://www.landsecuritieslondon.com/properties/Queen-Annes-Gate?section=images











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I have heard a rumour that the MOD is offering these barracks at the dirt cheap price of around £300 million (up to £500 million) on the provision that who ever buys the land and barracks will build a brand new Cavalry Barracks on nearby land on the edge of Hyde Park.

There could be a lot of truth in this, as firstly the Barracks are an eyesore (they were even voted one of the worst eyesores in London) and are not well liked even by the Army and secondly they are right next door to the new luxury One Hyde Park Development where one single apartment was reputedly sold for over £100 million, so £300 million for the vast Knightsbridge Barracks and Peninsular Tower seems a very paltry sum, especially given that Chelsea Barracks sold for nearly £1 Billion back in 2007.







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I have heard a rumour that the MOD is offering these barracks at the dirt cheap price of around £300 million (up to £500 million) on the provision that who ever buys the land and barracks will build a brand new Cavalry Barracks on nearby land on the edge of Hyde Park.
Interesting

Can you shed any light on the source of your rumour?

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Interesting

Can you shed any light on the source of your rumour?

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A serving member of the Cavalry who was recently based at Hyde Park Barracks (Knightsbridge Barracks) had been told the plan was to sell the barracks cheap on the stipulation that land was found in Central London, possible on the fringes of Hyde Park and that the developer built the Household Cavalry a new barracks as part of the deal.

I am usually wary of rumours however Knightsbridge (Hyde Park) Barracks are worth a lot more than £300 million or even £500 million, they stretch over six acres (over a quarter of a mile) down one of the most expensive areas in the world (right next door to the One Hyde Park development) and they have Peninsula Tower (over 200,000 sq.ft) which could be converted in to very expensive luxury apartments overlooking Hyde Park or even in to a hotel. I think the MoD could actually command a similar price for these barracks as they did for Chelsea given their location especially given that property at neighbouring One Hyde Park is currently valued at £7,000 per sq ft. If they were to build a new barracks it would probably be built along far more enviromentally friendly lines (grassed roofs etc) in order to blend with Hyde Park.

It's all very well basing infantry units (and a few horses) at Woolwich or Windsor (where the Household Cavalry has it's training school) but to base 300 horses on ceremonial duties there would not be practical, as everytime you wanted to rehearse trooping the colour or a major event you would have to move 300 horses right across London in a massive fleet of lorries (a logistical nightmare), and a lot of the rehearsal happens very early in the morning. The poor horses would be shattered. It might also work out more exopensive as you would have to pay for a vast fleet of horse carriers, a lot of expensive fuel and employ people to drive the horses across London.

Albany Street (Regents Park) Barracks are very cramped and would also need some major work before that could be transformed back in to a Cavalry Barracks (which could be nearly as costly as building a new barracks), plus Albany Street it is not as secure as Knightbridge Barracks, with much of it backing directly on to a road and no wall or barrier to seperate it from the street (indeed it was bombed by the Angry Brigade back in the early 70's). The other main Central London barracks is Wellington on Birdcage Walk, which is home to the various Guards Regiments when they are carrying outpublic duties. There is also Hounslow Barracks (not far from Heathrow Airport) an Infantry Barracks which like Woolwich is just too far out. There are some small Cavalry Barracks near Whitehall but they are antiquated and not any where near big enough to comfortable house even a small section of the Household Cavalry and it's 300 ceremonial horses, whilst to move horses across London every time you wanted to practice an event or actually perform in an event or mark a ceremonial occasion would simply not be practicle and would certainly not be fair on the poor horses. Plus the site of Cavalry horses in Hyde Park is quite a unique sight which would also be lost.







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Well it's obviously tempting, but I think very short-termist to sell this. Where else are the MoD going to find a plot of land near Buckingham Palace, near a park (with bridleways) and space for 300 horses? Over 10 years a new barracks and transport costs will probably be more than £500m easy. Jaeger mentions land near by, but I can't imagine there is a spot going spare - other than parkland - which I and many would be against building on.
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Well it's obviously tempting, but I think very short-termist to sell this. Where else are the MoD going to find a plot of land near Buckingham Palace, near a park (with bridleways) and space for 300 horses? Over 10 years a new barracks and transport costs will probably be more than £500m easy. Jaeger mentions land near by, but I can't imagine there is a spot going spare - other than parkland - which I and many would be against building on.
The current austerity driven MoD and Government could always make the horses use the tube in order to save money. Might be a bit messy for other travellers though. :lol:

To be serious though, the only real options other than building a new barracks would be to refurbish Albany Street (Regents Park) Barracks and move some of the horses there. Regents Park used to be a Cavalry Barracks, and was home to the Blues and Royals and their horses until the 1970's when they moved to Knightsbridge. The recent closure of St John's Wood Cavalry Barracks, a barracks that was leased to the MoD, saw the King's Troop, Royal Horse Artillery move to Woolwich, despite attempts by some Military Figures and Politicians to keep them in Central London and to base them at Regents Park Barracks. the RHA Kings Troop having far fewer horses than the Household Cavalry. In terms of Regent Park Barracks (mainly used by the TA now) there would have to be a pretty extensive refurbishment in order to accomodate anything like the Cavalry units currently based at Knightsbridge. Furthermore I think the horses would be fairly tired having to make the journey on foot down from Albany Street Barracks which are right at the top of Regents Park before they even start events such as Trooping the Colour. I would also suggest that if a new Barracks is not built as part of the deal that the MoD get a vastly better price than a paltry £300 million for Knightsbridge Barracks (a prime bit of real estate in one of the most expensive areas in the world) rather than making some property developer even wealthier at the expense of hard working tax payers (I am sure the Candy Brothers are already rubbing their hands together at the prospect).

The King’s Troop was for 65 years stationed at St John's Wood before its barracks and more than 100 horses were relocated in February 2012 to Napier Lines at the traditional Royal Artillery ground at Woolwich. Because of the greater distance from central London, the troop can no longer ride to many ceremonial events but horses will be transported by vehicle to nearer stables for appearances at Hyde Park, Buckingham Palace and elsewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King's_Troop,_Royal_Horse_Artillery
Sadly the Kings Troop RHA are already feeling the effects of no longer being based in Central London and are having to try to find stabling for London Ceremonial Events and the situation could become ridiculous if Knightsbridge Barracks are sold without a viable alternative or replacement.

Incidently it was actually Regents Park (Albany Street) Barracks and Hounslow Barracks (which was dropping to bits) that were seen as the most likely candidates for disposal and not Knightsbridge Barracks, then again the MoD seems quite happy to cash in on Central London property prices at the moment and the possible sale of Knightsbridge Barracks follows the sale of the Duke of Yorks Headquarters just off the Kings Road (which is now home to a retail square and the Saatchi Gallery) and the 2007 sale of Chelsea Barracks for nearly £1 Billion (to be made in to luxury apartments, once the on-going saga over the architecture is finally fully resolved).

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldhansrd/text/81008-0001.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_York's_Headquarters

There have also been stories in the press from earier this year about the MoD being interested in selling off RAF Northolt in a multi-billion pound deal (talk about selling off the family silver), although I have heard nothing else since.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16741144

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/25/raf-northolt-may-be-sold

Finally in terms of the Knightsbridge Barracks deal, here's the latest courtesy of The Evenng Standard - 25th May 2012

MoD’s a bit slippery over Hyde Park sale

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/busin...at-either-grates-or-is-a-delight-7788427.html

The Ministry of Defence has failed to advance a single yard in 16 months towards the goal of selling its biggest property asset in London.

Quite a feat: pity there is no individual to court martial. Failure to progress the £500 million sale of Hyde Park Barracks feels like culpable negligence.

“No decisions have been made,” insisted a MoD spokesman. “No plans exist. But things are happening in darkened rooms. What we are looking for is for someone to come up with a plan and make some kind of offer.”

No, not what was said last week when leaky agent CBRE revealed it was to conduct a “market sounding” exercise.

The statement was issued on January 28, 2011, when I suggested here that the MoD was saddling up to sell the current home of the Household Cavalry to a developer of hyper-luxury flats. Maybe it has taken time to square the landowner, Royal Parks? After all, an Act of Parliament is needed for change of use.

But, who knows? The MoD hasn’t explained. What is known is that rival agents Savills and Knight Frank are furious. Why? Because the Ministry failed to do any market sounding before letting the market sounding contract go to CBRE. A fine firm: but more Royal Engineers than Household Cavalry.
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A serving member of the Cavalry who was recently based at Hyde Park Barracks (Knightsbridge Barracks) had been told the plan was to sell the barracks cheap on the stipulation that land was found in Central London, possible on the fringes of Hyde Park and that the developer built the Household Cavalry a new barracks as part of the deal.

I am usually wary of rumours however Knightsbridge (Hyde Park) Barracks are worth a lot more than £300 million or even £500 million, they stretch over six acres (over a quarter of a mile) down one of the most expensive areas in the world (right next door to the One Hyde Park development) and they have Peninsula Tower (over 200,000 sq.ft) which could be converted in to very expensive luxury apartments overlooking Hyde Park or even in to a hotel. I think the MoD could actually command a similar price for these barracks as they did for Chelsea given their location especially given that property at neighbouring One Hyde Park is currently valued at £7,000 per sq ft. If they were to build a new barracks it would probably be built along far more enviromentally friendly lines (grassed roofs etc) in order to blend with Hyde Park.
Thanks for that Jaeger

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