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You can see there a test-list of lenses for Canon.
http://www.photozone.de/active/survey/querylenstxt.jsp?filter=%22brand='Canon%20EF'%20OR%20brand='Sigma%20AF'%20OR%20brand='Tamron%20AF'%20or%20brand='Tokina%20AF'%20or%20brand='Vivitar%20AF'%22
This 28-300 Canon lens has good opinions but I prefer to buy two lenses i.e. 24-100 and 100-300 or something similar. You will pay more but you can't cheat optics. Narrow and wide lenses have different build, lenses structure etc.
Check somewhere prices because they will tell you what can you buy.

Good luck!
 

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I would advise strongly against buying any lens that goes from 28 to 300. In the Canon line-up there is only one lens that I think will really be up to par on this matter and that is the 28-300 3.5-5.6 L IS lens, but it costs around 2300 euro's. I would divide your lenses up into a medium zoom, and a tele zoom. For instance, with your budget, get a Tamron 28-70 2.8 for €360, and a Sigma 70-300 APO for around €225, keeping your total below €600. This is a reasonable starter kit, later upgradeable to a 24-70 2.8L or 24-105 4L IS from Canon for your moderate zoom, and the 70-300 by the 70-300 4-5.6 IS, 70-200 4L or 2.8L (or even the 70-200 2.8L IS)from Canon or the 70-200 2.8 from Sigma for your telezoom.

What you need to decide is this:

- Do you hate changing lenses
- What focal length do you use most
- Do you need your lens to be fast (meaning, BIG aperture or not (which means, smaller f-number, which means more €€€)
- Do you need your lens to be portable, light, etc. (more expensive is usually heavier)
- Do you need superior image quality, superb build quality of the lens, no barrel distortion, etc.
- Why do you need IS?

This can help pin point some good lenses. Also, what kind of photography do you usually do?
 

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th0m said:
- Why do you need IS?
Generaly I agree with you. If you use medium lens like 24-105 you don't need IS but if you use tele zoom 100-300 especially in part closer to 300 you should use IS or tripod. Tom has Canon 350D and in his camera this 300 will be change in 480. Maybe you can keep your camera without move on this maximum zoom but I didn't try do that.
 

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Well, yes, in his camera the 300 will be 480, but this changes nothing in respect to the 1/focal length rule. Think about it this way, if you have a 5D and shoot at 300mm, which is effectively, 300mm (duh) and crop until you get 480 mm (which is what a 350D does), do you need to change your shutter speed in order to get a sharp result as an effect of motion blur? No, you don't ;)

But, I've never actually used a lens with IS (well, I've briefly used a 24-105 and a 100-400, but both too short to really see the difference between IS and non-IS), so I can't actually comment on the usefullness of it, but merely included it since the topic starter claimed it was one of the necessities of the lens(es) that were to be acquired.
 

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th0m, you don't have any problems with making photos at nights, inside of the buildings or with a big wind? This conditions tell you that you should use a longer time. Even if you have very bright lens it doesn't change anything. IS can be very helpful in some situation, especially when you don't have tripod or you can't use it for some reason and you are a long away from home and you can't back another time in this place.
If you really don't need IS/VR/AS (I don't know which company camera do you use) and tripod, for me you are great.
 

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Of course IS can be very useful. But I don't really shoot a lot of pictures at night. In buildings, I usually bump the ISO. I'm not bashing on IS or anything, but I just don't have an IS lens, and don't think I will buy one soon, because I kind of like my current lens set-up. I agree that IS is a marvel, though. But it can be expensive (look at the 70-200 2.8L IS, 17-55 2.8 IS, etc. I think the most versatile and affordable IS lens from Canon would be the 24-105 4L IS, but this lens is not really attractive for on a 1.6x crop camera, I think that I would be switching to a 10-22 too often for the really wide shots)
 

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Better for night shots is have a very wide angle (10 or 12 mm), high luminosity (f4 it's not bad) and you can take pictures without any tripod and even not very high ISO's.

In this case ISO 200, 12 mm and f4:

http://www.pbase.com/urbandave/image/54634208
http://www.pbase.com/urbandave/image/59975212

No tripod/no flash and 1/2s in the second picture.

With VR: 24-120 VR ISO 200 And of course at 24 mm! 120 would mean too low exposition (remember 1/(mm) -> Minium exposure time)
http://www.pbase.com/urbandave/image/48831096 1/8s And picture it's a little blurry
http://www.pbase.com/urbandave/image/48944395
http://www.pbase.com/urbandave/image/48944801

With tele lenses you'll need a very good tripod and control remote shutter, because vibrations can ruin the picture anyway (and VR/IS/OS must be off when shooting on a tripod)
 

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IS is optical stabilization?

Beijing was the first city where i used the EOS 350D. I took as always around 200 pics per day. 90% of all pics are taken with the 18-55mm lens because it was always so much work to change. I had a 55-200mm with me, too(but it`s not mine). The most time i used the 200mm lens was during the night because i could use the tripod. During the day i had problems to take sharp pictures. After 3 days in Beijing i had something on my sensor because of the changing. Here is the thread.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=340160&page=1

In the last trips i used a HP Photosmart 850 with 8x optical zoom. It was always so easy: zoom in, zoom out.

I also want to have the IS to take pics from a helicopter.
Soemthing like this.
http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/dubaiaerials
 

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th0m this Canon 70-200 f 2.8 IS lens with Minolta 70-200 f 2.8 are the best lenses with that range. Every lens with f 2.8 costs a lot of money, if you want good product you must pay for it. You can find cheaper lenses (of course not with f 2.8) but with IS.
My base lens has 24-105 with crop 1.5 and for me is very good but sometimes this 24 is too much. I would like to buy 10-20 or 12-24 lens but very wide lenses has bigger distortions.

Tom_Green, yes IS means Image Stabilization.
 

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Yeah, today's UWA's have very low distortion. My 10-22 has less distortion than my 17-40 for example. And I know that 2.8 and IS cost money, which is why 600-700 euro's won't cut it for that. I was merely talking about lenses to work up to, if needed. For some people, these lenses will definitely be too much, both in size/weight etc as well as in in price. If you really shoot casually, then such an expensive lens is really not necessary.
 

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Yes you can. In my first post here I suggested a Tamron 28-70 2.8 and a Sigma 70-300 APO. These are both decent lenses for their respective prices. The Sigma is definitely not the best in its class, but with the limited budget, it will probably get the job done.
 

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th0m said:
Yes you can. In my first post here I suggested a Tamron 28-70 2.8 and a Sigma 70-300 APO. These are both decent lenses for their respective prices. The Sigma is definitely not the best in its class, but with the limited budget, it will probably get the job done.
Thanks for you advice but 28-70mm is not enough. I need a little bit more zoom. 28-100mm or 28-120mm would be better.
 

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Alright. If you are willing to give up a full stop in lens speed, a worthy alternative is the 28-135 3.5-5.6 (which also has IS) from Canon. This lens costs around 450 euro's. I think with your budget, you should figure out what is more important, a good medium zoom, or a good telezoom. Check out http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html for a lot of reviews (in English, not in German as the domain suggests).
 
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