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ah, the typically socialist response. Plus did you even bother to read the rest of my post?

So by killing members of management and most likely having the factory locked out and/or losing their job will feed the family for sure!
 

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I dont think you have even read or understood what I have been saying about Maruti, Haryana and Gujarat. Your comment makes absolutely no sense relative to what I have been saying to Ichi (MeMumbaikar).


And there we have it. You have no coherent point to make, so a reference to Godhra 2002. Well done. Karkal would have been proud of that one.
BJP was involved in violence in UP from 1988 till mid to late 90s and made every attempt to destroy the social fabric of the state and how people responded? as far as I understand UP politics BJP wont win next few elections what so ever they do. In 1998 during BJP rule UP became bankrupt and one of reasons why UP lagged behind.
SP from 2002 to 2007 was involved in violence and was shown the door by people of UP. Now we have much better and evolved SP.

In Guj people adopted the party and talk of Non Violence! and take high moral ground.
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As far as i know Maruti violence erupted because of casteist slur made by some manager on worker/workers of the plant. (once or many time don't know) workers reported the issue to union and union was in discussion with management for probable solution when violence erupted. Its the responsibility of management to train the managers on sensitivities involved with people. Try racial slur in US and Europe you will be behind bars.
 

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ah, the typically socialist response. Plus did you even bother to read the rest of my post?

So by killing members of management and most likely having the factory locked out and/or losing their job will feed the family for sure!
More like a typical logical response. Just wanted to point out to you that labourers don't get the same pleasure as you might of quitting when you feel like and still manage. And yes by pressurisation they have a better chance of meeting their demands as opposed to not trying at all.*

*that is not to be interpreted as a justification for killing innocents which is a heinous crime.
 

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^^@m_ Yes..we all know that congress never gets involved in vote bank politics and Congress developed the state to a great extent before BJP messed it up in the 1980's.:nuts: (and never perpetrated a massacre against Sikhs)

Rahul Gandhi losing elections in Amethi is also a conspiracy by the opposition.

And Gujrati's electing a party consecutively is suddenly called "adopting".
 

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in my comments I said one of the reasons and "NOT the ONLY REASON"
I never ever said congress did great or any other party did great.


^^@m_ Yes..we all know that congress never gets involved in vote bank politics and Congress developed the state to a great extent before BJP messed it up in the 1980's.:nuts: (and never perpetrated a massacre against Sikhs)

Rahul Gandhi losing elections in Amethi is also a conspiracy by the opposition.

And Gujrati's electing a party consecutively is suddenly called "adopting".
 

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personally i dont trust those stats one bit

its typical in UP for eg to simply not register cases. "statistic" show a safe state.

Even during the times of Lalu Prasad Bihar was a statistically "safe" state
 

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@ Yagya...^^ I see no other worthwhile party he would support on a national scale.And my point was that Congress(or whatever regional party SP.BSP etc..) he would support in UP play politics on the same playing field as the BJP and use the same dirty tactics.

But some parties have more dirty hands ;) thanks to experience of over 50 years.
 

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More like a typical logical response. Just wanted to point out to you that labourers don't get the same pleasure as you might of quitting when you feel like and still manage. And yes by pressurisation they have a better chance of meeting their demands as opposed to not trying at all.*

*that is not to be interpreted as a justification for killing innocents which is a heinous crime.
so if they dont have the pleasure.

start looking for jobs when employed by maurti, once you get the job then quit maruti.

thats a common sense thing to do.
 

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@ Yagya...^^ I see no other worthwhile party he would support on a national scale.
Well you need to understand that there can be people who do not believe in having neither of the two parties and commenting on one party without mentioning the other doesn't necessarily mean that they are supporting the other one.
 

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Well you need to understand that there can be people who do not believe in having neither of the two parties and commenting on one party without mentioning the other doesn't necessarily mean that they are supporting the other one.
True...but my comments were based on him opposing the BJP and assuming the congress was the lesser of the two evils in UP.(bcoz there was no criticism of the congress,sp or bsp and based on bjp bankrupting the state)

If you are not supporting any party and agree to the fact that all parties are equally corrupt what point are you trying to make?
 

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And suffer for all that time? risk ones's health and safety? What if they die during that 'job searching' time?
uumm the dispute is mainly about pay conditions.



They have been doing that job for how long in so called "unsafe" conditions?



Its a pay dispute. Simple as that. They want more money.
 

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this is no outpouring. All reports emerging from mainstream media are that the unions make a special effort to hunt down the management top brass.


For that reason alone, they should not get any sympathy.

I can somewhat understand a spur of the moment thing. But this is just a planned malicious attack



General manager, human resources, Awanish Kumar Dev died in the fire after both his legs were fractured in the thrashing by workers and he was left helpless in an office that was set ablaze.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Maruti-Suzuki-workers-brutally-hunted-company-brass/articleshow/15063283.cms
 

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and also like to add

this is no outpouring. All reports emerging from mainstream media are that the unions make a special effort to hunt down the management top brass.


For that reason alone, they should not get any sympathy.

I can somewhat understand a spur of the moment thing. But this is just a planned malicious attack

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Maruti-Suzuki-workers-brutally-hunted-company-brass/articleshow/15063283.cms
Which lasted for 120 minutes, no less :eek:hno: Not your average spur of the moment crime.
 

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and now reports coming out that maruti will now hire only contract staff and the factory maybe closed for weeks to a month.


I think all this action has done is increase the number of contract workers with no pensions and benefits. I am sure others will follow suit.



and I do know for a fact that the maruti workers are paid more than the average workers from other auto companies. So its certainly not as if they are somehow paid the least and demanding their fair share.

What they are demanding is more of the company profits and even more increased pay. Which is fair enough. Nothing wrong with that. But management said no so maybe its time to move onto another job or search for another job while being employed at Maruti.


These are not totally unskilled workers. I am sure they will get better pay at other sites around the country as they have the experience. If they search around and dont get it, thats just the market telling you that the demand and supply metric is not in your favour.
 

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True...but my comments were based on him opposing the BJP and assuming the congress was the lesser of the two evils.(bcoz there was no criticism of the congress,sp or bsp)
If you are not supporting any party and agree to the fact that all parties are equally corrupt what point are you trying to make?
See that's what I'm saying: just because there was no criticism of Congress or SP, BSP it doesn't automatically mean that he is supporting them. If you decide to write about the colour red would it be okay for me to assume that you hate rest of the colours? No because I don't know your opinion on rest of the colours and if I do decide that that you hate them then that would be called and assumption, and as we know assumption aren't always correct.

Regarding not supporting any of the parties: well may be those people want a revolution. It could be a violent one as seen with the maoists or a peaceful one as seen with the likes of Anna and various other NGOs and people who campaign for a change in the way politics functions. It could also be that such people believe in supporting individuals as opposed to parties or it could just be the fact that they are fed up and don't give a **** and believe that: "iss country ka kuchh nahi ho sakta".

So see one can be making various points. Hope things are clearer.
 

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my point was simple that any party in UP which got involved in violence of any kind was shown the door in next election.

BJP has not evolved in UP and still talks of Mandir & Masjid and in Feb 2012 elections got even less vote than previous elections. (They lost all seats except one in Lucknow know to be most safe and secure seat of BJP)

True...but my comments were based on him opposing the BJP and assuming the congress was the lesser of the two evils in UP.(bcoz there was no criticism of the congress,sp or bsp and based on bjp bankrupting the state)

If you are not supporting any party and agree to the fact that all parties are equally corrupt what point are you trying to make?
 

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My comments were not Maruti specific but more on the relationship between labourer and factory owner.
well this argument is money specific.

The fact is jodhu in India the maruti workers are way way way better off than other workers.

Atleast they are in the organised sector.


The problems of labor and factory owner you talk about are most of the times in the unorganised many times informal sector.


and i agree that workers, especially in the unorganised sector need better protection in terms of say a specially enforced minimum wage per hour per state.
 
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