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Whatever the democrats do now - start impeachment inquiry or not will backfire on them. They will lose voters if they don't do their legal duty, they will lose voters if they do. It's how they conduct it.
Let's not forget the Lower House impeached Horny Bill, but the Senate just gave the guy a slap on the wrist.


They would have to be super desperate if they even start impeachment proceedings for Trump.
 

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Let's not forget the Lower House impeached Horny Bill, but the Senate just gave the guy a slap on the wrist.


They would have to be super desperate if they even start impeachment proceedings for Trump.
Super desperate? They have no choice but to pursue, and make sure it's for the win. Muller laid out the cause for impeachment, and he passed on that responsibility to the Congress. They're backed against the wall. Speaker Pelosi is playing a cat and mouse game with Trump, trying to drive him crazy while building up the case. There's already grumbling from some repubs. An ultra right, tea partier, libertarian repub, Amash laid down the gauntlet.

The public is in the dark, the impeachment inquiry will bring these out to the public. Just like Nixon before the impeachment, no one really knew about and extent of the coverup, and what he was covering up. He was forced to resign by his own party members. Trump will not resign. And do you know what Nixon was covering?

Lurking in the background, is the Russian interference (GRU) contained in Muller's report. There was hacking of various state election systems, last one was in Florida in the mid-term in one county, and the Republican Governor stated that. Russia has assets within high levels of government. It's all about money. Whoever runs, Russia will be the kingmaker if they want to protect their interests, and power.

Good on DU30 to cancel smartmatic. It did not directly involve "foreign" party, but interference from within (supported by a foreign party, most likely US). Just like the PH, the US systems are not hack proof. There have been hackings of the gov't system - State Dept, FBI, Repubs/Democrats etc. (Hilary's private server wasn't hacked, f.y.i.)

Trump's presidency, fortune and misfortunes do not involve PH. It is actually better because he couldn't give a shyte about some backwater "poor" ex US colony. :)

"Horny" Bill was impeached for perjury. Before that, the special counsel, Ken Starr spent 4 years digging up dirt on the Clinton's real estate, financial deals in Arkansas. All he could come up was lying about a consensual blow job, and that was accidental, on account of a slutty intern and her blue dress. Monica Lewinsky's burning ambition was to bed Bill Clinton! :) The Trump impeachment will be a Nixon category, involving obstruction of justice, money laundering, foreign interference, etc.

Anyway, the only thing PH can do is step back and observe.
 

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Good on DU30 to cancel smartmatic.
Dutz cannot instruct / order Comelec to do this as the latter is an independent Constitutional body.

Kaya ang sinabi niya ay he "advised".
 

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If Bernie, Biden and Oprah are the Liberals' best bets, Trump will demolish them.
Meron na up and coming young ones - Beto O Rourke and “Boot-edge-edge” :lol: Still with the sheer number of candidates - 20 ba? - how can the Democrats unify? Lately, Trump has been attacking boot-edge-edge, he must see the potential. Otherwise, kung same old same old, baka Trump pa rin yan.
 

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Super desperate? They have no choice but to pursue, and make sure it's for the win. Muller laid out the cause for impeachment, and he passed on that responsibility to the Congress. They're backed against the wall. Speaker Pelosi is playing a cat and mouse game with Trump, trying to drive him crazy while building up the case. There's already grumbling from some repubs. An ultra right, tea partier, libertarian repub, Amash laid down the gauntlet.

The public is in the dark, the impeachment inquiry will bring these out to the public. Just like Nixon before the impeachment, no one really knew about and extent of the coverup, and what he was covering up. He was forced to resign by his own party members. Trump will not resign. And do you know what Nixon was covering?

Lurking in the background, is the Russian interference (GRU) contained in Muller's report. There was hacking of various state election systems, last one was in Florida in the mid-term in one county, and the Republican Governor stated that. Russia has assets within high levels of government. It's all about money. Whoever runs, Russia will be the kingmaker if they want to protect their interests, and power.

Good on DU30 to cancel smartmatic. It did not directly involve "foreign" party, but interference from within (supported by a foreign party, most likely US). Just like the PH, the US systems are not hack proof. There have been hackings of the gov't system - State Dept, FBI, Repubs/Democrats etc. (Hilary's private server wasn't hacked, f.y.i.)

Trump's presidency, fortune and misfortunes do not involve PH. It is actually better because he couldn't give a shyte about some backwater "poor" ex US colony. :)

"Horny" Bill was impeached for perjury. Before that, the special counsel, Ken Starr spent 4 years digging up dirt on the Clinton's real estate, financial deals in Arkansas. All he could come up was lying about a consensual blow job, and that was accidental, on account of a slutty intern and her blue dress. Monica Lewinsky's burning ambition was to bed Bill Clinton! :) The Trump impeachment will be a Nixon category, involving obstruction of justice, money laundering, foreign interference, etc.

Anyway, the only thing PH can do is step back and observe.
My point was, the US Senate did not impeach Horny Bill when they have undeniable evidence.

Over 2 years with all the Democrats' and FBI's resources and they can't find anything solid against Trump. Otherwise Muller would have made a conclusion already and issue these "crafted" statements and insinuations.
 

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My point was, the US Senate did not impeach Horny Bill when they have undeniable evidence.

Over 2 years with all the Democrats' and FBI's resources and they can't find anything solid against Trump. Otherwise Muller would have made a conclusion already and issue these "crafted" statements and insinuations.
Puede ba what have you been reading or listening to. First, Mueller followed the DOJ directive that a sitting president cannot be indicted only through impeachment process. There was collusion (Russian interference), massive in his words, but the crime is conspiracy. He could not find hard evidence of an agreement. That's where obstruction of justice comes in because Trump had been obstructing witnesses etc. His conclusion is, Trump is NOT innocent, but he just didn't get the hard goods. That's where the House investigations come in, to get the facts straight.

Clinton (not a fan) was impeached for lying about a blow job (perjury, after 4 years of investigations, they could not nail anything down). He was not convicted, so he remained in office. Nixon was impeached for his coverup but resigned. Watergate was the watershed, Nixon was covering up for prolonging the Vietnam war. There was a peace agreement being worked out before his first term but he kiboshed the peace process. There wouldn't have been a Jane Fonda, the Vietnamese boat people and thousands more American dead.

IMO, Trump's sins lead to money laundering. I think he is beholden to Russia for the amount of money he was receiving from them when he was a pariah with western financial institutions. And there was also money funneled to various political personalities to influence them, lifting sanctions etc. That's why Russia hated Hillary because she was an interfering bitch in Ukraine.

Lying about a blow job is equivalent in gravity to covering up to prolong the Vietnam war or a foreign power/enemy controlling the political system?

Again, we can only sit and observe, maybe learn a lesson or two. But in the PH, the US has always interfered in our "democratic" elections (e.g. Macoy, Penoy), and if China does a Russia on the PH, well, game over. Maybe it's time to read beyond headlines, buzzwords and memes and expand the reading list. Anyway, am done with the Trump issue, it doesn't affect the PH (thank goodness).
 

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"Controlling the political system"? Seriously?

Didn't Mueller already said they have "...Insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy."

It's okay to hate on Trump. It's in fashion still. However, when you make that kind of statement, you better back it up.

Mueller's conclusion is NOT that Trump is NOT innocent, but rather that he does NOT exonerate him. Therefore, he, until proven otherwise, is still INNOCENT.

Stop twisting Mueller's statements.

Also, since when did the lower house become the final arbiter of truth?

No, the lower house will NOT "come in, to get the facts straight". They will play politics and try to get rid of a President, who, despite them claiming to be a total dimwit, they cannot beat in an election.

Again and again, 2 years with all of Mueller's and the Liberals' resources, they cannot find ANY CONCRETE evidence of Trump working with Russia to win the elections, NOR that he interfered in the investigation of such a collusion/conspiracy (crime of obstruction of justice).

 

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I didn't realise that the American disease called Liberalism has reached our shores. Sad. :lol:
Well, some Pinoys like to throw Americanisms as if everyone follows the American way. The words, Liberalism and Conservatism, have different connotations beyond the US. That is why I avoid using those terms on this forum. F.y.i., Canada and other Western European democracies the conservatives, the democrats in the US are actually to the right and far right of our own versions.

Secondly, impeachment or recall or vote of no confidence is a process which many democratic countries follow to the letter. Unlike in the PH, impeachment is as mickey mouse exercise full of innuendoes, allegations, tsismis, including little old lady with an envelope, other countries like to take hard evidence - not just statements from questionable characters. They have proper forum for that which in western democratic countries is in the house or parliament. They have that constitutional power, even in monarchies.

Since the PH follows the US set up, may be we should just watch how they proceed, and the evidence they come up with. We have to follow events in other countries in their own political and historical context. We can discuss their issues since this is an int'l relations without going into generalizations or spins. It is the sin of the Pinoys in the PH. Got me? :lol:
 
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