make me president for life and I'll throw you a bone.
Iraq's government crisis
Guys I know this is no politics forum but this is getting ridiculous those politicians are going backwards instead of forward.
What are your thoughts?
Who do you support?
Who do you feel should be the next PM?
I personally don't like any of the current politicians, I'm also worried that maliki is the next saddam but next door doesn't look so nice either becuase allawi is backed by many baathists..
What are your thoughts?
Who do you support?
Who do you feel should be the next PM?
I personally don't like any of the current politicians, I'm also worried that maliki is the next saddam but next door doesn't look so nice either becuase allawi is backed by many baathists..
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Well now we Iraqis have a few questions for you, to see if you fit the part!make me president for life and I'll throw you a bone.
Do you steal money that is supposed to go to the public?
Are you going to be a regional puppet?
Are you going to make many empty promises?
If you answered yes, you have our vote.
Iraq is mine, I steal nothing but donate much to my subjects.Well now we Iraqis have a few questions for you, to see if you fit the part!
Do you steal money that is supposed to go to the public?
Are you going to be a regional puppet?
Are you going to make many empty promises?
If you answered yes, you have our vote.
I will make Iraq the sabre of the Middle East
My word is the law. There are no promises. let alone empty ones.
start the hossa weelaad.
Haha! where is my na3el when I need it!Iraq is mine, I steal nothing but donate much to my subjects.
I will make Iraq the sabre of the Middle East
My word is the law. There are no promises. let alone empty ones.
start the hossa weelaad.
But seriously this reminds of me Germany after world war 2.. Iran has influence in the south, sunni arab states have influence central and parts of the north turkey has some influence in the north and america oversees everything.. and the poor Iraqi people are lagging behind.
P.S: doesn't the west piss you off sometimes? how they defend Tariq Aziz just becuase his christian.
Iraq needs another 10 years to develop people's knowledge of "democracy" the role of government in running the country, the role of religion and tribes, and the quality of investigative and political journalism / media.
If Iraq manages to limp along until 2020, I think we will see a much more mature economic, political and social outlook among the populace.
I have already seen a massive improvement since 2003. - not quite there yet. But at least the tinge of arrogance has now been wiped off Iraq's tongue, so now they can get down and see their true problems. The gulf between Iraq and the rest of the world has also slowly penetrated the minds.
Of course people still haven't come to the right conclusions yet (even though many individuals have), but they will get there as long as the country doesn't collapse.
The current political parties will eventually evolve away from their clanish/nationalist/sectarian roots into typical "poor man" "rich man" "liberal man" parties / groups. I don't see a gap for a major new party to rise out of the populace though (which is unfortunate really, I wouldn't urinate on any of the current members of parliament / government if I saw them on fire).
as for tariq aziz and the rest of the gang. I would ban the death penalty now, and keep them locked up for life doing hard labour till their natural deaths - filmed on a webcam and broadcast on their own videoblog on youtube. I would also make them accept visits from families of their victims for 4 hours every day until they die, to discuss matters with them. I would do that not just to the baathists, but to all the post 2003 terrorists . militamen / politicians who committed crimes against humanity and embezzlement.
If Iraq manages to limp along until 2020, I think we will see a much more mature economic, political and social outlook among the populace.
I have already seen a massive improvement since 2003. - not quite there yet. But at least the tinge of arrogance has now been wiped off Iraq's tongue, so now they can get down and see their true problems. The gulf between Iraq and the rest of the world has also slowly penetrated the minds.
Of course people still haven't come to the right conclusions yet (even though many individuals have), but they will get there as long as the country doesn't collapse.
The current political parties will eventually evolve away from their clanish/nationalist/sectarian roots into typical "poor man" "rich man" "liberal man" parties / groups. I don't see a gap for a major new party to rise out of the populace though (which is unfortunate really, I wouldn't urinate on any of the current members of parliament / government if I saw them on fire).
as for tariq aziz and the rest of the gang. I would ban the death penalty now, and keep them locked up for life doing hard labour till their natural deaths - filmed on a webcam and broadcast on their own videoblog on youtube. I would also make them accept visits from families of their victims for 4 hours every day until they die, to discuss matters with them. I would do that not just to the baathists, but to all the post 2003 terrorists . militamen / politicians who committed crimes against humanity and embezzlement.
I agree, Iraq has improved since 2003, and as our army gets stronger the neighbors will back off also, though I hope the Iraqi army will be an Iraqi army and not a personal army.. Iraq is deeply divided and no one trusts each other, surprisingly though the religious/ethnic groups trust their regional 'friends' more, these idiots....
There is no question about whether tariq aziz should be banned or not, frankly I agree with you and he should suffer, it's just the fact that these westerns defend him and call him innocent with out actually knowing anything just becuase he is christian is really bugging me. Maybe we could put him in a fun fair, and through na3els at him, the children would enjoy it no?
Do you think the country will get split? Iraq has surprised everyone and pulled through, but we both know america has been the glue so far...
There is no question about whether tariq aziz should be banned or not, frankly I agree with you and he should suffer, it's just the fact that these westerns defend him and call him innocent with out actually knowing anything just becuase he is christian is really bugging me. Maybe we could put him in a fun fair, and through na3els at him, the children would enjoy it no?
Do you think the country will get split? Iraq has surprised everyone and pulled through, but we both know america has been the glue so far...
Splitting up of iraq is certainly a possibility.
If it does happen, lets hope its done peacefully at least and no deportations/ethnic cleansing takes place (I am thinking of a czech-republic - slovakia style split).
On the other hand, the various regions of Iraq do complement each other to an extent. Even Iraqi kurds have more in common with an Iraqi arab than a turkish kurd - something inevitable since arab-kurd interaction has been continuous for centuries (abbasid / ottoman / modern Iraq). Nobody lives in a vacuum. The only region of Iraq that can split away realistically is basrah, and that would be not due to any "ethnic" or "religious/sectarian" reasons... but purely for financial gain.
In my personal view, the main problems with Iraq are:
-use of oil money for current account budgets WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! Waste of our resources for a bread today!
-extremely subsidised electricity prices, stimulating excessive demand and stopping any energy economisation among the populace / industry.
-No electronic ID system to reduce small level corruption ("ghost employees", "hossa tamwiniya", "tax dodging" etc,..)
-Very poor quality of current affairs news / journalism and debates, keeps the populace misinformed.
-Illiterate uncouth political elite - though I would say this is symptomatic of the political immaturity of the populace.
If it does happen, lets hope its done peacefully at least and no deportations/ethnic cleansing takes place (I am thinking of a czech-republic - slovakia style split).
On the other hand, the various regions of Iraq do complement each other to an extent. Even Iraqi kurds have more in common with an Iraqi arab than a turkish kurd - something inevitable since arab-kurd interaction has been continuous for centuries (abbasid / ottoman / modern Iraq). Nobody lives in a vacuum. The only region of Iraq that can split away realistically is basrah, and that would be not due to any "ethnic" or "religious/sectarian" reasons... but purely for financial gain.
In my personal view, the main problems with Iraq are:
-use of oil money for current account budgets WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! Waste of our resources for a bread today!
-extremely subsidised electricity prices, stimulating excessive demand and stopping any energy economisation among the populace / industry.
-No electronic ID system to reduce small level corruption ("ghost employees", "hossa tamwiniya", "tax dodging" etc,..)
-Very poor quality of current affairs news / journalism and debates, keeps the populace misinformed.
-Illiterate uncouth political elite - though I would say this is symptomatic of the political immaturity of the populace.
Well, I don't know about having more in common with an Iraqi arab then a Kurd from turkey, mainly becuase before the ME borders were drawn up I know I had family on the other side before the borders and we were known as just kurds and now I'm Iraqi and they are Iranian, but that doesn't bother me, I believe in forgive and forget, but I agree generally now a days we have more in common with the Iraqi Arabs simply becuase we live in one country, just like I have more in common with the Brits.Splitting up of iraq is certainly a possibility.
If it does happen, lets hope its done peacefully at least and no deportations/ethnic cleansing takes place (I am thinking of a czech-republic - slovakia style split).
On the other hand, the various regions of Iraq do complement each other to an extent. Even Iraqi kurds have more in common with an Iraqi arab than a turkish kurd - something inevitable since arab-kurd interaction has been continuous for centuries (abbasid / ottoman / modern Iraq). Nobody lives in a vacuum. The only region of Iraq that can split away realistically is basrah, and that would be not due to any "ethnic" or "religious/sectarian" reasons... but purely for financial gain.
In my personal view, the main problems with Iraq are:
-use of oil money for current account budgets WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! Waste of our resources for a bread today!
-extremely subsidised electricity prices, stimulating excessive demand and stopping any energy economisation among the populace / industry.
-No electronic ID system to reduce small level corruption ("ghost employees", "hossa tamwiniya", "tax dodging" etc,..)
-Very poor quality of current affairs news / journalism and debates, keeps the populace misinformed.
-Illiterate uncouth political elite - though I would say this is symptomatic of the political immaturity of the populace.
I hope that Iraq survives, but indeed the only region that will survive and survive very well will be the 'shia state' simply becuase they have oil+ports.. The kurds and Sunni Arabs will be at each others throats, the sunni will have borders with the shia but would most likely be hostile, it would have been nice for the kurds to have borders with the shia possibly through khanaqin then maybe they won't be landlocked... the Iraqis need a kick up their ass, they need to decide what they want if they want to stick with Iraq then do so, if their going to end up in a civil war and split, might as well do it peacefully.
No No.Well, I don't know about having more in common with an Iraqi arab then a Kurd from turkey, mainly becuase before the ME borders were drawn up I know I had family on the other side before the borders and we were known as just kurds and now I'm Iraqi and they are Iranian, but that doesn't bother me, I believe in forgive and forget, but I agree generally now a days we have more in common with the Iraqi Arabs simply becuase we live in one country, just like I have more in common with the Brits.
I hope that Iraq survives, but indeed the only region that will survive and survive very well will be the 'shia state' simply becuase they have oil+ports.. The kurds and Sunni Arabs will be at each others throats, the sunni will have borders with the shia but would most likely be hostile, it would have been nice for the kurds to have borders with the shia possibly through khanaqin then maybe they won't be landlocked... the Iraqis need a kick up their ass, they need to decide what they want if they want to stick with Iraq then do so, if their going to end up in a civil war and split, might as well do it peacefully.
A shia state will never happen nor will it be successful if they tried.
The only "successful" seccession that I can see would be Basra. And they would split away from 80% of Iraq's shia arabs (as well as all the sunnis/kurds/christians etc..), purelly for material gain. They have oil+ports for export. All they would need is secure the services of a superpower to protect them. and BINGO $$$.
Nothing to do with nationalism / religion etc...
as regards relatives in other countries. You will find many non-kurdish Iraqis also have relatives in Khuzistan (iran), Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Syria. Yet they are still Iraqis. But that is because for the last 80 years Iraq has been "defined" as an Arab state, with "accepted" minorities. rather than what it truly is... an amalgamation of the varied people of mesopotamia.
Yeah basrah will succeed, but I don't see why the other shia won't leave with them? at least Iraq is not named after one ethnic group like turkey... if Basra leaves us we're screwed, landlocked.No No.
A shia state will never happen nor will it be successful if they tried.
The only "successful" seccession that I can see would be Basra. And they would split away from 80% of Iraq's shia arabs (as well as all the sunnis/kurds/christians etc..), purelly for material gain. They have oil+ports for export. All they would need is secure the services of a superpower to protect them. and BINGO $$$.
Nothing to do with nationalism / religion etc...
as regards relatives in other countries. You will find many non-kurdish Iraqis also have relatives in Khuzistan (iran), Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Syria. Yet they are still Iraqis. But that is because for the last 80 years Iraq has been "defined" as an Arab state, with "accepted" minorities. rather than what it truly is... an amalgamation of the varied people of mesopotamia.
I'm sure they'd love to leave with them. But why should basra take them? It would just make them poorer.Yeah basrah will succeed, but I don't see why the other shia won't leave with them? at least Iraq is not named after one ethnic group like turkey...
More land and more people, they can relay less on super powers.I'm sure they'd love to leave with them. But why should basra take them? It would just make them poorer.
not necessarily look at IsraelMore land and more people, they can relay less on super powers.
Iraq breaks deadlock, PM wins support for new term
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi politicians appeared to have broken an eight month political impasse on Wednesday when the Sunni-backed Iraqiya alliance agreed to take part in a new government headed by incumbent Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
Maliki inched closer to a final deal to secure a second term on a day when bomb and mortar attacks targeting Christians across the Iraqi capital killed at least three people and wounded dozens of others.
After a meeting of Iraqi political leaders, a senior lawmaker from the cross-sectarian Iraqiya coalition headed by former prime minister Iyad Allawi told Reuters the bloc would join a Maliki government.
The decision offered hope that the next government would include enough Sunni representation to ease the chances of a return to the sectarian violence that killed tens of thousands of people after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that ousted Sunni dictator Saddam Hussein.
Iraqiya will meet on Thursday to sort out lingering disagreements and choose a nominee from the party for speaker of parliament, said the lawmaker, who asked not to be named.
Parliament was scheduled to meet on Thursday for just the second time since an inconclusive election in March.
Iraq has been without a new government since the vote, which gave Iraqiya two more seats than Maliki's bloc. Neither had enough for a majority in parliament, leaving the factions to negotiate a government.
Iraqiya joins a Kurdish alliance in supporting Maliki following months of contentious negotiations that raised tensions in Iraq as the army and police try to cement security gains against a stubborn insurgency.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi politicians appeared to have broken an eight month political impasse on Wednesday when the Sunni-backed Iraqiya alliance agreed to take part in a new government headed by incumbent Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
Maliki inched closer to a final deal to secure a second term on a day when bomb and mortar attacks targeting Christians across the Iraqi capital killed at least three people and wounded dozens of others.
After a meeting of Iraqi political leaders, a senior lawmaker from the cross-sectarian Iraqiya coalition headed by former prime minister Iyad Allawi told Reuters the bloc would join a Maliki government.
The decision offered hope that the next government would include enough Sunni representation to ease the chances of a return to the sectarian violence that killed tens of thousands of people after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that ousted Sunni dictator Saddam Hussein.
Iraqiya will meet on Thursday to sort out lingering disagreements and choose a nominee from the party for speaker of parliament, said the lawmaker, who asked not to be named.
Parliament was scheduled to meet on Thursday for just the second time since an inconclusive election in March.
Iraq has been without a new government since the vote, which gave Iraqiya two more seats than Maliki's bloc. Neither had enough for a majority in parliament, leaving the factions to negotiate a government.
Iraqiya joins a Kurdish alliance in supporting Maliki following months of contentious negotiations that raised tensions in Iraq as the army and police try to cement security gains against a stubborn insurgency.
^^ finally! so when will the government FINALLY be formed? 8 months from now?!
iraq has 1 only solution . divide in to 3 parts as kurds sunni and shia will never really work together there has been too much blood and lost of trust between the 3 nations
i vote for break up of iraq
i vote for break up of iraq
^^ lol i vote not...and it will never happen maybe in another life time
I don't wanna get into this topic, infact, I always want to avoid talking about these sort of things here because they lead to no where.iraq has 1 only solution . divide in to 3 parts as kurds sunni and shia will never really work together there has been too much blood and lost of trust between the 3 nations
i vote for break up of iraq
However, I just want to say that breaking up Iraq will NOT solve the current problems, in fact, it will create new ones..
It's a very naive way of thinking (keep in mind the breaking Iraq is not a popular option among Iraqis, maybe some areas in Kurdistan it's another story.. but not most of Iraq)
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