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Centre of the Cotton industry and 'self-styled' second city.
It's worth pointing out that Urban Wurzel is from Shropshire before we get the heavy mob on here accusing 'those Leeds bastards' of things we haven't done.
Keep it to yourself then. Thank you.The tag 'second city' is my personal opinion, rather than anything anyone else says. I see the social, political and cultural history and current standing of Manchester being of infinitely more significance than Birmingham or any other city.
Walked through Leeds on Friday night from the Grand to the station and was impressed by attitudes and behaviour and appearance of the place. Amazing number of buildings floodlit. Terrific. Maybe it all went pear-shaped in the small hours but for me and my visitors it was a good experience. As for comparisons with Manchester, who cares ? You can't really compare places properly; after all most UK cities look pretty dire compared with cities in western Europe but tourists still come here and seem to like us and our funny insular ways.was in Manchester Friday night to watch a gig at the Apollo - fantastic venue but the walk there from Piccadilly station reminded me that even the grottiest inner city areas of Leeds aren't nearly as bad as those in Manchester. Manchester is a city of greater extremes in terms of wealth and poverty I'd say - it's nice that Leeds has a little bit more balance.
I think Leeds is doing better than Manchester socially. I know a lot of people tend to dismiss statistics but Leeds out-performs Manchester on health, education, wealth, poverty, equality etc. All that government investment makes Manchester look good on the outside but on the inside it's not so pretty.
..Point of fact.
There is more money spent by the government in Leeds per head then in GM South (the only stat available from the ONS).
But don't let the truth get in the way of what you are talking about hey?
FWIW - I bet you would not even be able to agree what you mean what Manchester is anyway, let alone try to compare it to Leeds.
Anyhow, ain't Brum the 2nd city? Why not compare Leeds to there?
Indeed it does, just like other large urban areas like Brum and London.I guess you could claim Leeds' boundaries make it appear wealthier than it is, but Manchester does have more deprivation statistically.
and?It's not in the north of England.
Does it somehow make Leeds more appealing.
Smacks of obsession to me!
What a great for football this year has been.
League and CL double.
Lids managed not to make it out of League 1 despite looking dead certs to around January.
Happy days indeed, thanks Leeds for finishing of the season for me on a top note.