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Eco-island plan: now it will float
By Clay Lucas
May 29, 2005

Plans to build an "eco-island" in Port Phillip Bay could be funded by a float on the Australian Stock Exchange.

The consortium behind the proposal, to create an island out of silt from the State Government's controversial channel dredging plan, wants to raise the capital later this year.

"We wouldn't need to raise much - $100 million would be the float figure," said Kerry Murphy, a member of the Eco Island Taskforce.

The consortium presented its proposal to the Port of Melbourne channel deepening panel in December.

The panel's environmental effects statement said a closer examination of dredged silt as a resource was needed before a recommendation could be made.

A decision on whether the bay dredging will go ahead has been delayed. The panel's $12 million study was attacked by the State Government in April for failing to answer basic questions on the proposed dredging's environmental consequences.

The island plan relies on getting 30 million cubic metres of silt from the dredging to build a residential and tourist destination at the bay's northern end.

It would be equidistant from Beaumaris, Docklands and Werribee.

Tentatively named Melbourne Island, it would be modelled on Perth's Rottnest Island, Mr Murphy said.

"Everyone goes to Rottnest in Perth, it's a big icon for Western Australia. It is just the kind of thing we could do with here in Victoria."

The Eco Island consortium includes town planners, real estate agents and architects. Its head, John Macdonald, a partner in ecologically sustainable architecture firm Design Inc, said the stock exchange float plan had merit.

"This island is something for the mums and dads of Victoria to own," said Mr Macdonald.

"And if the channel deepening needs to take place, in our opinion this is the only viable solution to deal with the sand and rock created as a result."

But the Blue Wedges Coalition, a conservation group fighting the State Government's channel deepening plan, said the island idea was madness.

"We're not in favour of any more artificial alterations to the coastline of Port Phillip Bay - and that includes plonking something in the middle of it," coalition co-ordinator Jenny Warfe said.

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So the islands are back hey?
It would be an alright idea, but this time it seems to be less of use, the previous ideas for an island were always for houses and stuff. next to the land with a small bridge connecting it, but this would have a ferry operating to it (i guess)

I dont know really, i have mixed thoughts about it.

EDIT: looks kinda close to a shipping lane.
 

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http://www.theage.com.au/news/Natio...w-it-will-float/2005/05/28/1117129934467.html

Eco-island plan: now it will float
By Clay Lucas
May 29, 2005

Plans to build an "eco-island" in Port Phillip Bay could be funded by a float on the Australian Stock Exchange.

The consortium behind the proposal, to create an island out of silt from the State Government's controversial channel dredging plan, wants to raise the capital later this year.

"We wouldn't need to raise much - $100 million would be the float figure," said Kerry Murphy, a member of the Eco Island Taskforce.

The consortium presented its proposal to the Port of Melbourne channel deepening panel in December.

The panel's environmental effects statement said a closer examination of dredged silt as a resource was needed before a recommendation could be made.

A decision on whether the bay dredging will go ahead has been delayed. The panel's $12 million study was attacked by the State Government in April for failing to answer basic questions on the proposed dredging's environmental consequences.

The island plan relies on getting 30 million cubic metres of silt from the dredging to build a residential and tourist destination at the bay's northern end.

It would be equidistant from Beaumaris, Docklands and Werribee.

Tentatively named Melbourne Island, it would be modelled on Perth's Rottnest Island, Mr Murphy said.

"Everyone goes to Rottnest in Perth, it's a big icon for Western Australia. It is just the kind of thing we could do with here in Victoria."

The Eco Island consortium includes town planners, real estate agents and architects. Its head, John Macdonald, a partner in ecologically sustainable architecture firm Design Inc, said the stock exchange float plan had merit.

"This island is something for the mums and dads of Victoria to own," said Mr Macdonald.

"And if the channel deepening needs to take place, in our opinion this is the only viable solution to deal with the sand and rock created as a result."

But the Blue Wedges Coalition, a conservation group fighting the State Government's channel deepening plan, said the island idea was madness.

"We're not in favour of any more artificial alterations to the coastline of Port Phillip Bay - and that includes plonking something in the middle of it," coalition co-ordinator Jenny Warfe said.

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This idea has been around for years now. It's been the idea in the city of port phillip planning dept. for quite a while. When I was studying at Deakin back in the late 90s, the fourth year did a whole range of proposals on it. On that project it was to be located adjacent to point ormond between elwood beach and the marina, so that it could have direct rail/light rail access, without needing miles of tunnels under the bay.

The reason they were pushing for it is that they could see that the whole city was going to become unaffordable, and run out of space. The proposal was for around 5000 residents, similar to a completed docklands precinct such as yarras edge - but aimed mostly NOT at the high end market like docklands is. The total area was to be 1km squared.

Engineers who commented on it at the time said it was frighteningly easy to do with the dredges just being able to run themselves on a predetermined pattern. The question was, if one was built why stop there?

I think if the channels have to be dredged then this would be the best thing to do with it. I am however very sceptical about the channel dredging, I think it could become a major f*ck up. The timing is a real worry, as they're planning on doing it around the CG., yet the EES has said that it will pull up localised but large plumes of silt. This would look fantastic if the water around St Kilda, or the Peninsula was a coffee brown, as it is around the top of the bay, when we have a huge downpour, and being that much of it is toxic, will the bay be a no go zone for a year or two?? I think the port should definately be improved, but not expanded - retracted if anything, because the land around the mouth of the yarra and the western bank to footscray would be better used for residential/commercial uses rather than industrial and port facilities. I think there is more merit in developing the vast open spaces around geelong and hastings ports. But that's another topic.

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Could be interesting! I dont see why we need to copy every other bloody city though. It'll be good if its got alot of park land and maybe a luxury resort, but not much else, apart from facilities for day users etc :)
I'd like to see Phillip Island developed further though before anything else. A few 10storey + in Cowes could be good.
 

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Could be interesting! I dont see why we need to copy every other bloody city though. It'll be good if its got alot of park land and maybe a luxury resort, but not much else, apart from facilities for day users etc :)
I don't think the plan is to copy rottnest, I think that was just an example. Rottnest is a completely different context, not least of that it is natural, has surf beaches, and is mostly just scrub. And a resort is the last thing it should be made of. Who would want to go and stay on an island made of toxic silt in the middle of the shipping channel??

On the other hand this could be a fantastic showpiece for sustainable living - as long as it's not watered down. If supported by government, it could be a testing ground for sustainable building and planning practices - which could be fed into the broader community. I think though it should be closer to the land, so it can be bridged - as a boat ride for all building materials and workers would be quite a disadvantage - link it into the existing PT network either at St Kilda or Williamstown to make it viable.

Oh and lol at the Palm tree - I'm sure Posh and Becks would buy a frond
 

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Good point you make about who would want to do that (resort). I was thinking the same as I wrote it... you'd see concrete and shipping.

I'm really at the view that they should start building up Hastings and the necessary connections now. I really don't think the Port of Melbourne is viable. Its starting to age and capacity issues are surely going to arise more frequently.
 

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Could be interesting! I dont see why we need to copy every other bloody city though. It'll be good if its got alot of park land and maybe a luxury resort, but not much else, apart from facilities for day users etc :)
I'd like to see Phillip Island developed further though before anything else. A few 10storey + in Cowes could be good.

:) yes yes, me too. Bring on the high rise in Cowes. ten years work down there would be nice. We got a house at Smith's so the more work in Cowes, Remo, the better, but anywhere except Smith's. :cheers:
 

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jlb, you see this as an obstruction perhaps????

I see this as possible foundations!!!!!!!

The less distance between the top water level and the bottom, the less concrete required.

Ha Ha Ha ha ahahahahahahhahahhahhaahah !!!!!!
 

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Sitting it in the middle of hobson's bay with no possible PT links except ferry is not very environmentally friendly. If it goes ahead, it should be located next to Point Ormond, south of the St Kilda Marina - here you could easily extend the light rail and tram lines and possibly extend a heavy rail from either Prahran with Stations at St Kilda Junction and Acland St, or via St Kilda Rd. using the north south link through the centre.

Then you could truly market it as a car free alternative.
 

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jlb, you see this as an obstruction perhaps????

I see this as possible foundations!!!!!!!

The less distance between the top water level and the bottom, the less concrete required.

Ha Ha Ha ha ahahahahahahhahahhahhaahah !!!!!!
no not an obstruction, i was thinking more along the lines of a start on the island, i'm not fussed if its tacky either, it'll be something else to do in melbourne
 

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So they're going to FLOAT an island huh? hehehe
You can't have residents on an island - all the rich people would buy it and you'd have a rich man's enclave. Disgusting. And the prices to get out to Rottnest Island were ridiculous! Not to mention Port Phillip Bay isn't the most calm and welcoming of waters...
 
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