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This is strictly a "what if":

Let's imagine that our nation's largest city grew out of another location in its own metropolitan area. Suppose New York City had started and maintained its center on the Jersey side of the Hudson. That's not a real stretch given that such a mainland location would not have required the ferries, bridges, and tunnels that Manhattan needed to connect with the US mainland.

WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE LACK OF A LINEAR ISLAND ON NYC'S DEVELOPMENT?

Manhattan has been geared, by its shape, to density, to easy public transit with few subway lines needed to cover north/south transit, to the image of being "a place apart...across the water". Manhattan geography and topography contributed so much to what NYC is.

What then would be the implication if our largest city had been able to spread out in all directions from its waterfront. Would it have developed the concept of intense core on such a piece of land? Would a spread out area allowed the convenience of subway transit the way that Manhattan has it.

What might an island-less city been like...and what might the implications be not only for NYC, but for the myriad of US cities that used New York as the model for their own growth (i.e....the concept of a "downtown" modeled after lower Manhattan being in the downtown portion of Manhattan).
 

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It would be like LA from dowtown to Santa Monica and from the Hillz to Pico!
 

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I think it would have been more like Chicago and Philadelphia than Los Angeles. In fact, overall the city would still be not that different than it is today. The big exception being that the core wouldn't have been as easily defined.
 

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Evangelion said:
The island is definetely a factor in making NYC what it is today.
huge factor. its linear nature allowed it operate in a way that virtually the whole island (or at least from downtown to midtown and beyond a bit) serves as a "center". the effect has been huge and skyline never would have developed the way it did without the linear type island topography.
 

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edsg25 said:
huge factor. its linear nature allowed it operate in a way that virtually the whole island (or at least from downtown to midtown and beyond a bit) serves as a "center". the effect has been huge and skyline never would have developed the way it did without the linear type island topography.
i agree with you 100% not just the fact that its an island but the fact that its a linear island makes it even more substantial
 

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It would be like LA from dowtown to Santa Monica and from the Hillz to Pico!
No it wouldn't. It would have been more like Chicago or Philly but with a bigger core. Remember most of the New York subway system was built by 1940 so it predates the suburbanization that cars started in the post WWII era. Maybe London but with many more taller buildings in the core next to what resides today in Brooklyn or the Bronx.
 

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No it wouldn't. It would have been more like Chicago or Philly but with a bigger core. Remember most of the New York subway system was built by 1940 so it predates the suburbanization that cars started in the post WWII era. Maybe London but with many more taller buildings in the core next to what resides today in Brooklyn or the Bronx.

then again you have to remember even before the IRT and IND lines were fully completed the el's were kings sixty years before that

pieces of the 9th avenue el still survive in the system (ie 4 train)

I'd say the layout would have been more like street patterns you find in the Bronx and Brooklyn (or even like a london type grid you find downtown), infact they were before the plan of the grid...you can still find a few streets that survived the grid plan that show you this i.e stuyvesant street and a few others around cooper square
 
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