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It is in my opinion that the Israel Wall is the single most powerful architectural work today, a work of such power that can be compared to as an entire army.





 

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It's a shame that they built it... a real shame, especially after the Berlin wall fell... I hope this one is tore down too...
 

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i'm watching this video right now on the Israeli Wall: (some nice pictures of the wall too :) )

its about 8m high on some areas and will be over 700km long. It is not yet completed, and will be completed in the year 2010. This wall displays a variety of art by well known guerilla graffiti artists and amature artists alike. Here's an artwork by Bansky of Gandhi with a peace sign.



Sometimes the artists gets threatened by the soldiers there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCvicMVgM-c

I find it facinating how much of the conflicts in Israel is connected with architecture, and how much political and social change building a structure can cause. Do you think architects who designs with sinister intentions and results are commiting a war crime and should be punished?
 

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This wall, instead of smoothing peace, is even making it worse. Palestinians are being dizimated and peace lacks in the region due to all the conflicts and hatred the two parts have spreaded?
Walls divide people instead of bringing them together. They promote even more hatred.

it's a shame that this wall, as well as the US-Mexico one, were built 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall changed Europe for good and forever... families are divided, homes are divided, countries ignore eachother... it's terribly dangerous!

Tear down the wall, now!
 

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That wall has put an end to over 90% of terrorist attacks from Palestinian terrorists. It's a huge success and should be expanded. It has saved thousands of innocent lives on both sides; Palestinian terrorists no longer have the easy access to enter Israeli towns and cities and murder innocent civilians, thereby preventing the Israeli military from responding to the terror groups and killing them and the civilians those terrorists purposely use as human shields.
 

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Yes, but it prevents peaceful civilian Palestinians to use many facilities on the other side and to look forward for a better life, who want to work and etc.... Peace shall be achieved through dialogue and pacific means, not by the war between greedy bastards...
 

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The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has become an excuse for racist people to express their hatred towards either Jews or Arabs.
 

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An expression of racism? How about the radical Palestinian terrorists who go across the border seeking to detonate themselves amongst innocent children and women? That's racism. That's the radical ideology hammered into the heads of Palestinian children from the moment they are born by the racist media in the Palestinian territories. That wall is a godsend. Why should Palestinians be able to use facilities in Israel if they want their own state? Perhaps they should request some aid from their leaders, who stash billions of financial aid dollars in their Swiss bank accounts instead of helping their own people live like normal human beings. Or perhaps they can ask their wealthy Arab neighbors to lend a hand. Enough of blaming Israel.
 

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leadingtraveler , for someome who acts so decent and caring , your totally not mentioning the thousands of civilian palastenians killed by the israeli military :) and dont go using lame excuses like they asked for it , or they had osama hiding amongst them

this is a huge mess , and you cant blame one side only
 

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and still we do nothing, after more than 60 years of ethnic cleansing and occupation and still it is going on and on and on and we do nothing...

In kosovo we did something! But we never act against the terror of israel, we should protect Palestine (or what's left of it...) and Lebanon (a wonderfull country!) like Kosovo!

This wall is btw not even on the 1967 ceasefire border, but even annexating more land from the palestinians. :( And all we do is watching people being occupied and die in Ghaza :(
 

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this is a bunch of blah blah blah, the truth is that this wall helps to reduce attacks inside Israel from the extremists in Palestine, we could continue the dialogue but with injured and death people every day and week for years and years.. i actually don't mind if the rest of the world approves it or not, the rest of the world is not suffering from qassams every day so they can recomend to wait, dialogue for decades, but we are only looking for our own good and security. that's it.
 

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the defensive wall against the fanatic savages.









 

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this is a bunch of blah blah blah, the truth is that this wall helps to reduce attacks inside Israel from the extremists in Palestine, we could continue the dialogue but with injured and death people every day and week for years and years.. i actually don't mind if the rest of the world approves it or not, the rest of the world is not suffering from qassams every day so they can recomend to wait, dialogue for decades, but we are only looking for our own good and security. that's it.
every occupied person has the right to fight against the occupation! Why would we in Europe have the right to fight against the occupation of Germany and the Syrians and Palestinians etc. don't? Go and read the very good book of Professor (university of Haifa) Ilan Pappé: The ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

If suddenly immigrants in my country would make their own country inside my country, bomb us, take everything of our belongings etc. we would also fight! We would be sitting in our houses and watch them destroy our neighbourhoods with bulldozers, also we would fight with everything we have!


And that for 60 years! I loved how Obama compared the suffering of the Palestinians for more than 60 years with the suffering in Europe during the WW2 and how he mentioned it!

And not only that, they are also ruining the region by destroying the wonderful country lebanon and also occupiying parts of Syria.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdnn4_lebanon_shortfilms

 

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Terror is not an organisation, and it never is a goal on it's own, it's just a tactic, that can be used by anone. Just like other war tactics. The Palestinians don't have an army or any defense so this is the only way they can do anything in a military way.

I guess you are meaning the fanatics of israel of the ethnic cleansing and the fanatics of the extremistic and fundamentalist party of the republicans, responsible for a lot of murders.

People would understand it better if they would see this movie, why people organise uprisings, more people should see it, than more people would hopefully wake-up:


The people that are now supporting the murdering going on by Israel would also have supported the NSDAP in WW2!
 

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every occupied person has the right to fight against the occupation! Why would we in Europe have the right to fight against the occupation of Germany and the Syrians and Palestinians etc. don't? Go and read the very good book of Professor (university of Haifa) Ilan Pappé: The ethnic cleansing of Palestine.



but in this case the "occupation" since 1967 is a result of Arab and Palestinian aggression war and terror against Israel , since 1920's.
as part of Japan is still under American occupation since WW2 ( or that other evil land in Europe till 1990).

now for the history of the Jewish people in Israel , for the mother religion of Christianity and Islam, the lack of national ethnic historical background of the "Palestinians" and some other artificial Arab states ?
 

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i guess there are a bunch of other forums to debate this kind of political and hypocritical crap guys .

other than that; a preventative concrete wall for defensive purposes and "architecture" ... huh? very subtile :D
 

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but in this case the "occupation" since 1967 is a result of Arab and Palestinian aggression war and terror against Israel , since 1920's.
as part of Japan is still under American occupation since WW2 ( or that other evil land in Europe till 1990).

now for the history of the Jewish people in Israel , for the mother religion of Christianity and Islam, the lack of national ethnic historical background of the "Palestinians" and some other artificial Arab states ?
The occupation and ethnic cleansing started in the end of 1947. Already in 1947 there were huge razzia's in Haifa2, killing a lot of Palestinians and forcing them to become refugees. While in 1948 whole villages where murdered and bombed, completing the ethnic cleansing.

If the jews just wanted to come there and integrate, okay, but always it has been there aim to steal land and make an own state consisting only out of jews (something called ethnic cleansing). Just like in the balkan we should stup this and force them to integrate and live together with the palestinians. If in the USA suddenly some spanish people believe that the USA is their holy country and they start a war, and push all americans into canada, mexico, and they can only live in Arizona and Washington State than you would also start organise a defense!
 
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