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Japanese media report China has more than 100 million wealthy people, That is equivalent to the population size of Japan

日媒:中國有錢人 超過1億
http://www.worldjournal.com/wj-ch-news.php?nt_seq_id=1537128

【本報系東京特派員陳世昌二十四日電】中國「富」起來了。據今天出刊的日本「R25」雜誌報導,中國的富裕層人口至少已經超過一億,相當於日本的人口總數,這些中國人消費力可觀,在全球觀光業界掀起了消費旋風。

「R25」雜誌指出,最近在東京街頭看到的中國觀光客明顯增多,新宿的百貨公司幾乎都把中國話當成公用語言,予人置身中國之感。

中國人真的富了嗎?「R25」說,根據中國國家統計局的資料,中國的人均所得應該還沒有超過兩千美元,然而富裕層的收入卻遠超過人均所得。

有些資料指出,擁有一百萬美元金融資產的中國人有32萬人;包含不動產在內總資產超過一百萬美元者,則超過五百萬人,這些都只是參考的統計數字。其他的社會現象如,中國去年汽車銷售數量達七百萬輛;學習鋼琴的孩童超過一千萬人;赴海外觀光的中國人則有2900萬人等,在在反映出富裕層的人口遠比統計的多。

「R25」引述派駐香港的日本商社人士的話說,中國總人口的6%到7%,是富裕的消費層。從百分比來看似乎不高,但是從13億總人口來計算,富裕層早已超越了一億,相當於日本的人口數。

在海外,澳洲地區傳出消費力最高的觀光客是中國人,消費金額是日本人的三倍。巴黎的精品店據說都要求店員能講流利的中國話。中國人在全世界各地掀起了消費旋風,這是大家沒有注意到的另一個今日中國真實面貌。


And I believe this does not count the middle class. Only the filthy rich ones.
 

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so what about the other 1.25 billion people in china?


And when will the riots start for a fair and equal distribution of chinas wealth?
I mean, its officially a socialist state... ;)
 

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Give them time. You just can't distribute the wealth so quickly. They're doing fine (not in a perfect way, but you know, any country can't be ruled in a perfect way). In the USA there isn't still an "equal" distribution of USA's wealth.
 

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That is why the chinese government is working their ass off like visiting rural areas, talking to poor people, sacking corrupt officials, encourage more investment in the less developed western regions, discourage anything that promotes luxury, call on government officials not to spend on luxury things, monitor all those activities that could spark a riot. It is understood that Chinese government tighten controls over most things because as pflo said with this uneven distribution of wealth, dissatisfaction can spark riots anytime, so the chinese government must monitor everything that could cause unspeakable consequences to the country's economy . That is why some western media does not understand the situation and wrongly turn it into some sort of human rights abuse. In the end, I think the current CCP government is working more for the rural and poorer people, they pay more attention to these people, at the same time making sure that no outside attempt to encourage uprisings. Remember Capitalism only came to China 20 years ago, she needs more time.

Thank you for reading :)
 

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The government should spend more public money on rural development, there's ample room for more spending, there's too much talk and too little spending.
 

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Btw i am not a pro-communist :) I am just expressing my opinions, I also want China to have freedom and democracy as soo as possible, but I believe that Freedom and democracy can only be achieved once the country achieves the so called economic success, people have better living standards lead to a better understanding and education to lead the country. And it seems like that the only way to achieve fast economic success is through a authoritarian regime (well i am not saying it must be) . There is no point having a free and democratic country when the people are so poor, uneducated, so only the elites and underworld can take hold of the country.
 

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Btw i am not a pro-communist :) I am just expressing my opinions, I also want China to have freedom and democracy as soo as possible, but I believe that Freedom and democracy can only be achieved once the country achieves the so called economic success, people have better living standards lead to a better understanding and education to lead the country. And it seems like that the only way to achieve fast economic success is through a authoritarian regime (well i am not saying it must be) . There is no point having a free and democratic country when the people are so poor, uneducated, so only the elites and underworld can take hold of the country.
If the mainland follows Taiwan's route, then there will be democratic progress around 2012-2013, and full democratic elections in China by 2020, like the democracy evolved in the late 80s in Taiwan and elections were held in 1996. This corresponds with the economic development level of the mainland compared to Taiwan at that time. Reunification should be imminent by then.
 

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why should the ones who have power give it up by democratic elections, unless they are forced to do so?

The CCP ruled china for such a long time...and now anther party should earn the success after everthings clean and rich and sucessfull in 2020....

Explain to me how that should work out?
 

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why should the ones who have power give it up by democratic elections, unless they are forced to do so?

The CCP ruled china for such a long time...and now anther party should earn the success after everthings clean and rich and sucessfull in 2020....

Explain to me how that should work out?
KMT did it. So did the South Korean military dictatorship. Who said another party should earn the success? Why shouldn't CCP win in a free and fair election? The KMT won in Taiwan. The CCP probably sees clear benefits of implementing checks and balances to the rule of the country and be ahead of the events in case parts of society tries to make a revolt for some reason, especially if economic growth slows substantially.
 

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Well south korea only achieve real democracy and freedom because dictator park chung hee was assasinated. KMT came down because there was demonstration and economic slowdown, so the KMT had no choice, I truly hope that these will not happen to China, and democracy will come to her peacefully, China already seen enough sorrows in the 20th century, I hope the CCP will learn a lesson from Deng Xiaoping mistake. :)
 

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korea and taiwan were , when it comes to the basic rights and the fundamental organisation of the country a democracy ( more or less), before the military dictatorship began because of the war.

Therefore, it was possible to give it up as soon as the direct "war" situation was over.
And dont forget the US influence on both countries.

PRC was never a multi-party country, its power is based upon the rule of one party organization. The Party is the State and the State is the Party.

I dont see any chance how those two could be split up

If China would still be the "Republic of China" just with a dictatorship of one party because of the difficult economic situation the whole thing would look different....
 

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Democratic traditions in South Korea and Taiwan were practically non-existant. I strongly disagree with your sentiments, and from what I've read, there's alot of very frank and open discussions inside the CCP about the future of China's politics including possibility of full democratic elections. There are clear benefits for the CCP by reforming gradually the political system, instead of clinging to power at every event (and there will be events in China that will cause trouble, China is not utopia).
 

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no doubt that if one day the fast growing economy slows down, there will be a anti-CCP demo,may be even a war, the whole country will be in a mess. CCP will be terminated, or at least be weakened...
so the CCP now is trying hard to keep the economy going, prosperity is primaly
 

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Yes for a truly happy population, China needs democracy for sure. There are, as everyone knos many dirty things done by the ccp. I know this will anger alot of pro communist forumers but I am merely pointing out the fact. Democracy should come eventually rather than a sudden flip, they can start at Hong Kong :)
 
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