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* Power station to produce 2,100 MW
* Brazil to provide construction expertise
* Project could be up and running by 2015
By Fumbuka Ng'wanakilala
DAR ES SALAAM, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Tanzania is planning with Brazil to build a power plant estimated to cost $2 billion that could transform east Africa's second largest economy into a net exporter of electricity, a senior official said on Wednesday.
Foreign Affairs Minister Bernard Membe and other officials held talks with their Brazilian counterparts in Sao Paolo in September on the construction of the proposed 2,100 megawatt (MW) Stiegler's Gorge hydro-power station.
"The power plant to be constructed using Brazilian technology would generate excess power that could be exported to the east African and southern African power pools," Aloyce Masanja, director general of Tanzania's state-run Rufiji Basin Development Authority, told Reutes.
Masanja said the plant would be a source of cheap, abundant energy at a cost of around 2 U..S cents per kilowatt hour. It would help control flooding in the Rufiji area and create a reservoir with a total capacity of 34 billion cubic metres to supply the commercial capital Dar es Salaam and other regions.
Tanzania's chronic energy shortages have resulted in rolling power outages, undermining economic growth in the country.
The government is considering funding options for the project, including concessional loans, private investment or state financing,
Brazil will provide the technology to build the plant, and a government delegation from Brazil is expected in Dar es Salaam next month for further discussions on the project.
"The project would involve the installation of three giant underground turbines, each with the capacity of producing 700 megawatts of electricity," Masanja said in an interview.
Masanja said energy companies from Canada, the United States and Russia had also expressed interest to invest in a power plant at Stiegler's Gorge, located some 200 km southwest of Tanzania's commercial capital, Dar es Salaam.
The proposed site of the power plant is located inside The Selous, Africa's largest game reserve. An environmental impact assessment showed the project would not affect the wildlife at the area, he said.
A detailed feasibility on the project funded by the Norwegian government was carried out in the early 1980s, but the project has been on the back-burner since then due to government bureaucracy and lack of funds.
"If we start implementing it immediately, the feasibility study can be updated in 2011 and we can start installing the first turbine in 2012. By 2015, the project should be fully completed and we can start enjoying 2,100 megawatts of electricity," said Masanja.
Tanzania has energy demand close to 900 MW capacity, but produces less than 800 MW.
Only 14 percent of its 40 million people are hooked to the grid, while demand grows by 10 to 15 percent annually.

The state-run Tanzania Electric Supply Company (TANESCO) has for the past 10 days been carrying out emergency power rationing countrywide following a drought and breakdowns at gas turbines that have eroded electricity supplies.
 

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Wait for the Western environmentalists to kick up a fuss.

Its scary that such few people have access to electricity though.

Tanzania has also discovered commercial gas deposits so they can also develop gas-fired stations. Im hoping by the end of this decade, electrcity will cease to be a limiting factor to development in those African nations that are currently doing economically doing well.
 

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^^ I'm waiting for that too; the whining is just around the corner.


I'm happy they're addressing it otherwise their economy will grind to a halt. I just wish countries would actually start working on the solutions before demand exceeds supply. For instance, I don't understand why they didn't commission this project back when demand was less than 800MW. Why wait until there is need for rationing?

If the lessons are not learned now, we'll see it repeated again in the future (i.e. they'll wait until demand exceeds 3000 MW before launching next project). Electricity supply ALWAYS has to exceed the demand; there should always be excess capacity.
 

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^^ I'm waiting for that too; the whining is just around the corner.


I'm happy they're addressing it otherwise their economy will grind to a halt. I just wish countries would actually start working on the solutions before demand exceeds supply. For instance, I don't understand why they didn't commission this project back when demand was less than 800MW. Why wait until there is need for rationing?

If the lessons are not learned now, we'll see it repeated again in the future (i.e. they'll wait until demand exceeds 3000 MW before launching next project). Electricity supply ALWAYS has to exceed the demand; there should always be excess capacity.
This is common sense. Ghana built a 800MW dam in the early 60s- obviously at this time Ghana maybe didnt even use 100MW of electrcity, so the rest was exported. They built another smaller dam downstream in 1980. So Ghana contibued being a massive net exporter. When the economy starting growing after the coup in the 80s, urban demand shot up- coupled with a rural electrifcation program- they waited till there frequent power shortages in the mid-90s before they started expanding capacity again. Why did they wiat so long? :eek:hno:
 

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^^ I'm waiting for that too; the whining is just around the corner.


I'm happy they're addressing it otherwise their economy will grind to a halt. I just wish countries would actually start working on the solutions before demand exceeds supply. For instance, I don't understand why they didn't commission this project back when demand was less than 800MW. Why wait until there is need for rationing?

If the lessons are not learned now, we'll see it repeated again in the future (i.e. they'll wait until demand exceeds 3000 MW before launching next project). Electricity supply ALWAYS has to exceed the demand; there should always be excess capacity.
as a leader one has to see in the future or simply project the future. i know it's not easy, but that's why not everybody can be a leader.
 

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Wait for the Western environmentalists to kick up a fuss.

Its scary that such few people have access to electricity though.

Tanzania has also discovered commercial gas deposits so they can also develop gas-fired stations. Im hoping by the end of this decade, electrcity will cease to be a limiting factor to development in those African nations that are currently doing economically doing well.
The West forced DRC to quit the SADC (DRC, Angola, SA, Botswana, Namibia) joint project for INGA 3 (4,500 MW) @ $7 billion , only to aword BHP the project so it can use 2000 MW for it proposed Megga Aluminum smelter. and they plan to only built it at 3,500 MW capacity.

But they haven't said anything about Environment effect bull, because its a Western interests projects.


But watch , this Tanzanian project is going to make headline news if "West" has no interests in it.
 

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The West forced DRC to quit the SADC (DRC, Angola, SA, Botswana, Namibia) joint project for INGA 3 (4,500 MW) @ $7 billion , only to aword BHP the project so it can use 2000 MW for it proposed Megga Aluminum smelter. and they plan to only built it at 3,500 MW capacity.

But they haven't said anything about Environment effect bull, because its a Western interests projects.


But watch , this Tanzanian project is going to make headline news if "West" has no interests in it.
Dude you so boring.The West?The enironment must be protected and any necessarry development affecting the eco system must be scrutinized.It doesnt mean it project will be halted,but I can tell the project will adhere to stardands when you have enviromental institutions barking at your behind.Do you want a Chinese like development where there rivers are not safe to fish or even swim?
 

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2,100 MW, nice!
Yeah,I hope they will export some of it,or better yet,Kenyan leaders can lobby for East African grid system where electricity ouput will be shared lol.
 

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Why Tanzania waited for so long? Is because of some incompetent people in the Ministry of Energy & Minerals keeping interfering with the State Energy Company Tanesco for their personal interests. This Stigler Gorge has been talked about Since Nyerere's era.
 

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Dude you so boring.The West?The enironment must be protected and any necessarry development affecting the eco system must be scrutinized.
You don't know what your talking about.

Yes , thats right the West. When Inga Dam I and II were built , there were no noises made because it was to serve Western Interests.

If a dam of 4,500 MW is built by China (one of the best Dam builder is the world) or by The West or Russia or Japan(some of the best builders in the world). Will flood exactly the same size areas. Environmental affect will be same .

Unless you have some kind of Super Math that will be used to flood less areas than Chinese but producing same amount of power.

There is nothing Magical if China or the West build dams. The affects are going to be the same.

It doesnt mean it project will be halted,but I can tell the project will adhere to stardands when you have enviromental institutions barking at your behind.
What difference is it going to make if China or the West built it? It will flood the same amount of area and produce same amount.

I'm still waiting for you prove otherwise with your Super Math.

Do you want a Chinese like development where there rivers are not safe to fish or even swim?
Did i mention Chinese anywhere?

I said the West forced DRC to abandon the WESCOR proposal (SADC) , and award it to Western company BHP thats going to wants to build a Megga smelter that will consume at least 2000 MW.

This was one of the deal DRC had to decide with IMF if it wants Debt Cancellations.

Besides. BHP plans to build 3,500 MW instead of 4,500 MW due to the Cost. They don't want to spend lots of money on tha dam whe they only need 2000 MWs.

Just like DRC was forced to renegociate the Sino-Congolese deal to $6 billion from $9 bln also as part of Debt Cancellation. These 2 are just some of the pre-condition for DRC to get Debt cancellations. You think it comes free?


These Environmentalists make me seek at times. So millions of people should get electricity because it is going to Flood some eco System areas or whatever historical or archeological areas?

I would like to see them living the life of no electricity, no using computers or cellphones nor driving cars or flying in airplanes because they are all contribute to negative Environment .
 

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^^ I'm waiting for that too; the whining is just around the corner.


I'm happy they're addressing it otherwise their economy will grind to a halt. I just wish countries would actually start working on the solutions before demand exceeds supply. For instance, I don't understand why they didn't commission this project back when demand was less than 800MW. Why wait until there is need for rationing?

If the lessons are not learned now, we'll see it repeated again in the future (i.e. they'll wait until demand exceeds 3000 MW before launching next project). Electricity supply ALWAYS has to exceed the demand; there should always be excess capacity.
This reminds me of what Fareed Zakaria said on his GPS show last week. He said a key ingredient which ensured Asian development is the fact that they are all for delayed gratification and investing for future generations. Before the problem crops up they have a solution meaning that they gallop along in development instead of stumbling along. African leaders ought to govern with the same mentality.
 

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You don't know what your talking about.

Yes , thats right the West. When Inga Dam I and II were built , there were no noises made because it was to serve Western Interests.

If a dam of 4,500 MW is built by China (one of the best Dam builder is the world) or by The West or Russia or Japan(some of the best builders in the world). Will flood exactly the same size areas. Environmental affect will be same .

Unless you have some kind of Super Math that will be used to flood less areas than Chinese but producing same amount of power.

There is nothing Magical if China or the West build dams. The affects are going to be the same.



What difference is it going to make if China or the West built it? It will flood the same amount of area and produce same amount.

I'm still waiting for you prove otherwise with your Super Math.



Did i mention Chinese anywhere?

I said the West forced DRC to abandon the WESCOR proposal (SADC) , and award it to Western company BHP thats going to wants to build a Megga smelter that will consume at least 2000 MW.

This was one of the deal DRC had to decide with IMF if it wants Debt Cancellations.

Besides. BHP plans to build 3,500 MW instead of 4,500 MW due to the Cost. They don't want to spend lots of money on tha dam whe they only need 2000 MWs.

Just like DRC was forced to renegociate the Sino-Congolese deal to $6 billion from $9 bln also as part of Debt Cancellation. These 2 are just some of the pre-condition for DRC to get Debt cancellations. You think it comes free?


These Environmentalists make me seek at times. So millions of people should get electricity because it is going to Flood some eco System areas or whatever historical or archeological areas?

I would like to see them living the life of no electricity, no using computers or cellphones nor driving cars or flying in airplanes because they are all contribute to negative Environment .
:eek:hno:
 

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This reminds me of what Fareed Zakaria said on his GPS show last week. He said a key ingredient which ensured Asian development is the fact that they are all for delayed gratification and investing for future generations. Before the problem crops up they have a solution meaning that they gallop along in development instead of stumbling along. African leaders ought to govern with the same mentality.
most african government do not have the finances to do so. they rely on the wolrd bank or western financing. the asians have the finances and the know how to do so. so they can do as they please.
 

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most african government do not have the finances to do so. they rely on the wolrd bank or western financing. the asians have the finances and the know how to do so. so they can do as they please.
Most do. they have the resources they can sell to acquire the finances. but they dump them in Wstern Banks instead. living their onw countries dry like a damn drought.

Its all about the organization, vision and being patriotic. Most African government are neither.
 

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This project has been on the table for several decades.



It will be built in phases, the first generating 900MW. Not seeing a timetable on when the second would begin.
 

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Post-independence- socialist Tanzania vs Kenya, socialist Ghana vs Ivory Coast.

Kenya and IC did well economically for 20 years following independence but the same Nkrumah/Nyerere policies which were so damaging economically also meant that ultimately Ghana and Tanzania were the more stable.
 
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