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Karlsruhe is a city in the state of Baden-Württemberg, in southwest Germany, near the Franco-German border with the population of 296,033
Heilbronn is a city in northern Baden-Württemberg with approximately 123,000 residents

Both cities have their tram systems, especially Karlsruhe, which introduced to the world the tram-train model, where tram shares with urban rail. System length is 262.4 km and includes 12 routes with 188 stations. The map from urbanrail.net:



The photos are not mine, but from Wikipedia. This one at Central station:



Gaggenau:


Kaiserplatz:





On the same system included Heilbronn tram, consisted 2 lines and 8.9 km. the most recent extension was opened in fact last Sunday from Harmonie to Neckarsulm:



Tram near Heilbronn Central station:



Harmonie:



Öhringen-Cappel:



If you looking to the Karlsruhe tram map, you can notice that one of the lines is dashed. That's because a new city tunnel is currently under construction. I'm afraid I have little knowledge about this project:



U/C section at Europaplatz. Dates back in 2012:

 

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The new tram-trains from Bombardier currently prove quite problematic. It has both to get a concession for light rail (BOStrab) and heavy rail (EBO) and it's only running with the BOStrab concession for now and the other one will likely come by the end of the year only.

That's why they're currently running up to Neckarsulm only from Heilbronn and not to Mosbach. Till the end of year, the connection to Sinsheim should be ready, but we will lack the trains.

Furthermore, I like the "old" ones better than these new ones that rather feel like toys rather than a train. I study in Heidelberg and live in the east end of Heilbronn. Five-minute-walk to the stop, half an hour in the Stadtbahn and then transfering to the S-Bahn at Eppingen and ride another half an hour to three quarters until I arrive in HD. But it could be much better as I only have an hourly headway. It could easily get halved, but that's too much for now.
 

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From Rail Journal:

http://www.railjournal.com/index.ph...ves-first-vossloh-tram-train.html?channel=542

Karlsruhe receives first Vossloh tram-train
Tuesday, May 27, 2014



KARLSRUHE Transport Authority (VBK) has taken delivery of the first of 25 City Link low-floor tram-trains from Vossloh, which are being supplied under a €75m contract signed in October 2011.

The LRVs are being assembled by Vossloh Rail Vehicles at its Albuixech plant near Valencia, Spain, while Vossloh Kiepe is supplying electrical equipment traction vehicle control systems, heating, ventilation, air-conditioning, train control systems, passenger information systems, and CCTV.

The 80km/h, 37.2m-long vehicles are 2.65m wide and accommodate up to 224 passengers, 104 of them seated.

VBK and Vossloh say they aim to complete certification of the tram-trains in accordance with German Federal Regulations on the Construction and Operation of Light Rail Systems (BOStrab) by August, enabling the first seven vehicles to enter service on the tram network in Karlsruhe in September.

Following approval for use on the mainline network by the German Federal Railway Authority (EBA), the tram-trains are expected to enter service with Alb Valley Transport Company (AVG) on lines S1 (Hochstetten – Bad Herrenalb) and S11 (Hochstetten – Ittersbach) from the end of the year
 

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From Railway Gazette:

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/.../karlsruhe-citylink-formally-handed-over.html

Karlsruhe Citylink formally approved
25 Sep 2014



GERMANY: The BOStrab approval certificate for Vossloh’s Citylink NET 2012 light rail vehicle was formally handed over to Karlsruhe transport operator VBK at InnoTrans on September 25. According to the manufacturer, this makes it the first low-floor tram-train vehicle to be approved for both BOStrab and EBO.

VBK and AVG ordered an initial build of 25 vehicles in October 2012 for €75m, with an option for up to 50 more. They are being supplied through a partnership between Vossloh Rail Vehicles in Valencia and electrical equipment supplier Vossloh Kiepe in Düsseldorf.

The three-section unidirectional LRVs are 37·2 m long and 2 650 mm wide with capacity for 242 passengers, including 107 seated, and are 80% low-floor. Top speed is 80 km/h. They will operate services on the tram lines in the city, as well as on longer-distance routes S1 and S11 between Hochstetten and Bad Herrenalb and Ittersbach. The first vehicle is due to enter service on October 17.
 

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From Railway Gazette:

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/...arlsruhe-welcomes-new-light-rail-vehicle.html

Karlsruhe welcomes new light rail vehicle
21 Oct 2014



GERMANY: The first two Vossloh Citylink NET 2012 light rail vehicles entered passenger service in Karlsruhe on October 18, with a day of free travel after the ceremonial roll-out the previous day.

Karlsruhe transport operators VBK and AVG ordered an initial build of 25 vehicles in October 2011 for €75m, with an option for up to 50 more. They are being supplied through a partnership between Vossloh Rail Vehicles in Valencia and electrical equipment supplier Vossloh Kiepe in Düsseldorf.

The three-section unidirectional LRVs are 37·2 m long and 2 650 mm wide and are 80% low-floor. So far four have arrived in Karlsruhe.

The BOStrab approval certificate for the vehicle was formally handed over to VBK at InnoTrans on September 25, making it the first low-floor tram-train vehicle to be approved for both BOStrab and EBO, according to Vossloh.
 

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Interesting that Vossloh entered the tram business, given that they're mainly known for diesel shunters and diesel cargo locos.
 

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If you looking to the Karlsruhe tram map, you can notice that one of the lines is dashed. That's because a new city tunnel is currently under construction. I'm afraid I have little knowledge about this project.
In essence, it's a downgraded version of a proposal from the 1970s when turning tram networks into partially underground LRT systems was very en vogue and materialized in system as seen in Cologne, Hanover and Stuttgart to name a few. People wanted to get rid of inner-city traffic, but didn't know how.

Unlike other Western cities, Karlsruhe realized that busses were even worse than trams for their objective of reducing inner-city traffic. An underground would've been too much for that smaller city as you can think. The inner-city traffic problem was eventually solved in a satisfied manner with the implementation of a pedestrian zone. Case was closed, the trams stayed overground.

As Karlsruhe was experimenting with interurban services and eventually developed its famous tram-train, passenger numbers skyrocketed and the headway became dangerous for pedestrians. Now in this decade, the "combination solution" is finally under construction after a similar proposal was stopped a decade before.

The C/S is two things. One the one hand, said underground tunnels and tracks in most central Karlsruhe. The other part is Kriegsstraße (War Street). The whole street was deliberately deepened in order to make a good highway. This highway now gets a "roof" where streetcars/LRT are supposed to run upon in the future, that's the green line on the map.
 

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The C/S is two things. One the one hand, said underground tunnels and tracks in most central Karlsruhe. The other part is Königsstraße (King Street). The whole street was deliberately deepened in order to make a good highway. This highway now gets a "roof" where streetcars/LRT are supposed to run upon in the future, that's the green line on the map.
That´s not right. It´s the Kriegsstraße. Karlsruhe doesn´t have a Königsstraße in this area!
 

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In essence, it's a downgraded version of a proposal from the 1970s when turning tram networks into partially underground LRT systems was very en vogue and materialized in system as seen in Cologne, Hanover and Stuttgart to name a few. People wanted to get rid of inner-city traffic, but didn't know how.

Unlike other Western cities, Karlsruhe realized that busses were even worse than trams for their objective of reducing inner-city traffic. An underground would've been too much for that smaller city as you can think. The inner-city traffic problem was eventually solved in a satisfied manner with the implementation of a pedestrian zone. Case was closed, the trams stayed overground.

As Karlsruhe was experimenting with interurban services and eventually developed its famous tram-train, passenger numbers skyrocketed and the headway became dangerous for pedestrians. Now in this decade, the "combination solution" is finally under construction after a similar proposal was stopped a decade before.

The C/S is two things. One the one hand, said underground tunnels and tracks in most central Karlsruhe. The other part is Kriegsstraße (War Street). The whole street was deliberately deepened in order to make a good highway. This highway now gets a "roof" where streetcars/LRT are supposed to run upon in the future, that's the green line on the map.
Even this project barely passed public approval, 55%. While I will miss them running on Kaiserstrabe its not efficient anymore. Their speed is about 15-20km per hour at Kaiserstrabe. Its been more than few death in past couple years there because there is so much pedestrian traffic in the center. Plus there is alot of tram traffic in the center too ( especially) Marktplatz area.

That map in first post actually no correct anymore (temporary) because of tunnel construction.

When its done is will decrease traveling time and decrease accident rates. Until then it will be pain the ass to get around Karlsuhe even though KVV is trying to make this as easier as possible.
 

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More on City Tunnel construction in Karlsruhe, all taken from webcams:
http://www.diekombiloesung.de/aktuelles/webcams.html

TBM is on the move at the future Durlacher Tor station:



Mühlburger Tor station site:



Europaplatz station:



Look on Lammstrasse - it's not station, it's just mix of tram and construction:



Marktplatz:







Durlacher Tor station:



Ettlinger Tor station:



Crossing of Ettlingerstraße and Baumeisterstraße:



Kongresszentrum station:



And Ettlingerstraße - again, just a look:

 

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When its done is will decrease traveling time and decrease accident rates.
I have my doubts about that - if you're actually looking at accident statistics, you'll notice that the central pedestrian area has a lower accident rate than the rest of the network, and that is despite the high density of both trams and pedestrians there. Most accidents with pedestrians - especially those with grave injuries, or fatal outcome - happen at stations or intersections outside of the pedestrian area, where trams are running at "normal" speeds, and the tunnel will do little to change that. Likewise the hotspots for accidents between cars and trams are all on sections of line where trams will continue running just as before.

As for journey time savings, the claimed saving is about four to five minutes on the central east-west axis, and approximately one minute on the southern branch between Marktplatz and the main station.
However, you need to make some deductions because

  • Those travelling not east-west, but east-south/west-south will consequently only save three minutes at most.
  • If you're alighting somewhere in the central section, you'll obviously won't benefit from the full time saving.
  • Entering/exiting a tunnel station takes additional time for getting to the exits/entrances and climbing the stairs/waiting for the lift. While you might argue that on the surface you might have spent that time waiting at the traffic lights instead, that isn't case for the stops in the pedestrian area, which previously had an access time of effectively zero. Interchanging within the two tunnel stations at Marktplatz, or between the surface and underground stations at Europaplatz, Kronenplatz and Durlacher Tor will take more time than today as well.
  • One station in the central section (Herrenstraße) will be eliminated. While this will be partially compensated through the relocation of Marktplatz station to the west, in total I don't think this will improve the average walking distance to the next station in that area.
  • Trams coming from the north east (Waldstadt, Blankenloch/Stutensee) will have to make a detour (approximately two minutes) in order to be able to enter tunnel at all, further eating into time savings for passengers on those lines.
  • Because trams can't run in line-of-sight mode underground, the tunnel needs to employ full scale signalling, which, when combined with the flat junction at Markplatz, actually reduces the capacity of the tunnel as measured in tph (trams per hour) when compared to today's surface route, so two lines won't be able to serve Kaiserstraße in future. Additionally, the tunnel will eliminate some currently used connection curves at intersections, forcing further re-routing of lines and loss of current direct connections.
    As if that wasn't enough, there are some credible rumours that the the currently proposed network (on the offical Kombilösung homepage, look for Kombilösung -> Liniennetz) will be scaled down in order to save on operating costs, especially after the costs of building the tunnel have escalated so much and also because, while they won't admit to it officially, the tram operator has some doubts whether the tunnel can actually be reliably operated with as many lines using it. That would mean one further line less serving the tunnel, potentially forcing even more passengers to change lines.
I guess the outcome will also depend on how well the alternative of Kriegsstraße will be accepted (apart from the Ettlinger Tor shopping centre and the big supermarket at Mendelssohnplatz/Rüppurrer Tor, most shops are definitively nearer to Kaiserstraße than to Kriegsstraße, so it remains to be seen, how things will develop, and accessing Kriegsstraße from the Kaiserallee/Kaiserstraße/Durlacher Allee axis carries a time penalty as well, because you have to make a detour to the south), but if more passengers than today will have to change trams or walk longer to/from their station, that will more than eat up their share of journey time savings.
 

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From Rail Journal:

http://www.railjournal.com/index.ph...ers-more-vossloh-tram-trains.html?channel=529

Karlsruhe orders more Vossloh tram-trains
Tuesday, April 28, 2015



KARLSRUHE Transport (VBK) and Albtal Transport Company (AVG) have exercised an option with Vossloh Kiepe and its Spanish sister company Vossloh Rail Vehicles for 25 additional CityLink NET 2012 tram-trains, taking its total fleet of these vehicles to 50

VBK and AVG placed an initial €75m order for 25 vehicles in October 2011 and deliveries started in May 2014 with the first vehicles entering service in October. So far AVG has received around half of the vehicles from the first order

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