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Exactly. Expats from the world's largest oil producers go to Kenya to lecture poor people about Co2 emissions while their countries are pumping Co2 like there's no tomorrow. We better use coal and oil or we'll be poor for a long time. Look at Canada, Trudeau is always talking about going green but his country is milking that oil money on the side. They must be laughing at us. USA & China are leading the EV revolution while they are also the largest emitters in the world. They're having their cake and eating it.
What do you notice about the top world producers?

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Why do people want poor african countries to have pristine environment while the richest countries in the world are the biggest producers and consumers of fossil fuels? Can a we develop our economy first then have this discussion. Let us drill our oil, build schools, hospitals, highways then get lectured about a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
 

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What do you notice about the top world producers?

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Why do people want poor african countries to have pristine environment while the richest countries in the world are the biggest producers and consumers of fossil fuels? Can a we develop our economy first then have this discussion. Let us drill our oil, build schools, hospitals, highways then get lectured about a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
I get the economic development argument but economic prosperity and renewables are not mutually exclusive,it can be done.Africa does not have to copy all aspects of the developed world including the bad ones.We can take the good aspects and improve on the bad ones
 

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I get the economic development argument but economic prosperity and renewables are not mutually exclusive,it can be done.Africa does not have to copy all aspects of the developed world including the bad ones.We can take the good aspects and improve on the bad ones
But they’re using there oil and gas money to fund renewables. Now they’re working on cobalt free batteries knowing that Africa will be very rich and will control the major components in EV batteries.

We need to spend a lot of more money on technology and research so we can break the cycle. We need a lot of patents....
 

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Exactly. Expats from the world's largest oil producers go to Kenya to lecture poor people about Co2 emissions while their countries are pumping Co2 like there's no tomorrow. We better use coal and oil or we'll be poor for a long time. Look at Canada, Trudeau is always talking about going green but his country is milking that oil money on the side. They must be laughing at us. USA & China are leading the EV revolution while they are also the largest emitters in the world. They're having their cake and eating it.
Fossil fuels are about the same stage that landlines were back in the late 80's and 90's. Back then cell phones had not yet taken over. Now imagine if someone back then has said we should stick to landlines and forget about cell phones? It would have seemed like a good idea, but now we wouldn't be talking about Mpesa and the fintech revolution! Point is, we are in a transition phase. The future belongs to renewables. The question is how to get there without crashing the economy. My view is we should focus on renewables and only use fossils as a cushion. Buy the cell phone but keep the landline on standby.
 

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I think some times we forget we are in competition with other states.

If we are both chasing the same girl, how would you like to come to me for advice on how to nail her?
 

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Fossil fuels are about the same stage that landlines were back in the late 80's and 90's. Back then cell phones had not yet taken over. Now imagine if someone back then has said we should stick to landlines and forget about cell phones? It would have seemed like a good idea, but now we wouldn't be talking about Mpesa and the fintech revolution! Point is, we are in a transition phase. The future belongs to renewables. The question is how to get there without crashing the economy. My view is we should focus on renewables and only use fossils as a cushion. Buy the cell phone but keep the landline on standby.
We can use both. We can use coal to generate cheap power to charge electric cars. It's what the Americans & Chinese are doing. The transition from fossils to renewables is not as clear cut as the proponents would like you to believe, otherwise, the price of oil would have tanked a long time ago and oil exploration would have stopped.
 

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I guess it takes one major economy to do it for others to follow otherwise people will keep asking why not so and so?In the past century it has been the United States taking the lead and before that it was the UK.Everyone is waiting on China or the United States to take the lead in renewables so as to follow.People in Africa keep talking about being mentally colonized but they just want to follow everything the major economies do,good or bad,as if they have no sense of right or wrong themselves
 

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I guess it takes one major economy to do it for others to follow otherwise people will keep asking why not so and so?In the past century it has been the United States taking the lead and before that it was the UK.Everyone is waiting on China or the United States to take the lead in renewables so as to follow.People in Africa keep talking about being mentally colonized but they just want to follow everything the major economies do,good or bad,as if they have no sense of right or wrong themselves
Actually, the US & China are global leaders in renewables. They will likely get the biggest financial gains out of the transition. The difference between us and them is that they are not willing to kill off fossil industries before the transition is complete and have remained invested in both while we are already abandoning fossils in an attempt to follow other developing countries despite the fact that we are wholly dependant on more developed countries for the transition. We are huge proponents of the green energy movement despite the fact that we don't sell wind turbines, electric vehicles, solar panels etc. In other words, we're putting the interests of others before ourselves.
 
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