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Just imagine……………. Kerala have a Suburban Railways……….

Yes, we have a suburban railway here, which have trains in 15 minutes interval…. Stop at every stations in a distance of 5km…………. 24 hour service..

You got bored….. don’t worry….

We have fast trains tooooooo… which runs at 180kmph and stops at each district stations. Every one hour have a train running from Kasaragod to T’puram.

Our suburban railway have 4 tracks. 2 for slow trains and 2 tracks for Fast trains…

So come and enjoy the Suburban Railways for a traffic free time bound comfortable travelling.
 

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We all are complaining central govt. ignored kerala in railway budget ??

Why cant we ignore central govt. in case of railways ? why cant we start our own railway company ? or atleast a joint venture company with Indian Railways.

To start suburban we need such a company.... We have plenty of passengers and plenty of money here. Then why we need to wait for central govt aid for this ?

A govt which planned for an High speed railways cant start such a company ? which will be beneficial for the entire public in Kerala. We can start a company using the expertise of Indian Railways and Money from our beloved remittances from expatriates !!
 

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We all are complaining central govt. ignored kerala in railway budget ??

Why cant we ignore central govt. in case of railways ? why cant we start our own railway company ? or atleast a joint venture company with Indian Railways.

To start suburban we need such a company.... We have plenty of passengers and plenty of money here. Then why we need to wait for central govt aid for this ?

A govt which planned for an High speed railways cant start such a company ? which will be beneficial for the entire public in Kerala. We can start a company using the expertise of Indian Railways and Money from our beloved remittances from expatriates !!
You cannot start a rail company as such. Its a constitutional provision that makes Railways part of Central List and without Govt of India, no rail related units can be started.

So as unless a constitutional amendment happens, even private railways cannot happen as IR has constitutional mandate.

Thats why ES who had experience of seeing the failure of urban transit in hands of IR thro' Kolkatta Metro pressed and succeeded in creating a separate division called Urban transport and bring it outside constitutional mandate of Railways, to start Non IR Metro systems.

Suburban is part of IR itself, because its not pure urban transit and hence it requires similar constitutional amendment to gets out of IR.

With IR on lead, you cannot plan anything.
 

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There are two options to overcome this problem ..

1) Start a joint venture company with IR and GoK as equal partners.

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2) Define Suburban railway as an urban transport system by making such clause in the company objects. As we have plenty of expert legal advisers, bye passing a law will not be that much a serious issue.

The first one will be better as it will be more economical and speedy. If political will is there nothing is impossible.

We can see how Kochi Metro co. is created and they are in line with their goal

A pessimist like you cant see / digest anything good is happening in Kerala.

You cannot start a rail company as such. Its a constitutional provision that makes Railways part of Central List and without Govt of India, no rail related units can be started.

So as unless a constitutional amendment happens, even private railways cannot happen as IR has constitutional mandate.

Thats why ES who had experience of seeing the failure of urban transit in hands of IR thro' Kolkatta Metro pressed and succeeded in creating a separate division called Urban transport and bring it outside constitutional mandate of Railways, to start Non IR Metro systems.

Suburban is part of IR itself, because its not pure urban transit and hence it requires similar constitutional amendment to gets out of IR.

With IR on lead, you cannot plan anything.
 

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Well, it is possible for a state govt to start its own railway independent of IR, if the central govt is willing to pass an act in parliament. (In fact parliament can act even for a private company, but that won't happen politically)

The problem is this triffle called "right of way". You need to involve IR if you want to use IR's infra.

In an ideal world, it should be possible to run both regular trains and suburban/metro trains on the same set of tracks, with the addition of proper signalling and access control infra. But we do not live in the ideal world.
 

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See the situation is Kerala is changing very fast. We urgently required a mass transportation system to meet the increased rush in road and thereby increasing accidents. Making more n more highways are not feasible in kerala.

Our KSRTC cant provide such a facility and rather railway journey is more convenient and safe than bus journey.

We need to reduce the vehicles in road. so, we need to shift our focus on railways rather than road transportation. Waterway can only useful for leisure travelling as speed is restricted.

Considering the importance of the situation in Kerala our govt and central govt need to work fast on providing safe and time bound public transportation in Kerala. This will be very important for the future development of our state. The main reason in stagnation of Kerala economy is the lack of infrastructure development here.


Well, it is possible for a state govt to start its own railway independent of IR, if the central govt is willing to pass an act in parliament. (In fact parliament can act even for a private company, but that won't happen politically)

The problem is this triffle called "right of way". You need to involve IR if you want to use IR's infra.

In an ideal world, it should be possible to run both regular trains and suburban/metro trains on the same set of tracks, with the addition of proper signalling and access control infra. But we do not live in the ideal world.
 

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While we wait for an eternity for IR to do something, how about constructing an overhead metro along the entire stretch of NH 17 and NH47.

There could be private participation to take care of the high costs.
 

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Actually you should ask.. Can we expect Suburban railways for kerala......:lol::lol::lol:
Suburban railway is already planned for Trivandrum-Chengannur. But as IR projects are taking time.. this also will take time to get implemented. But in my opinion this proposal itself would have been for the entire state.

Once the doubling of Ekm-Kottayam/Alappuzha line is over suburban can run all over kerala.
 

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While we wait for an eternity for IR to do something, how about constructing an overhead metro along the entire stretch of NH 17 and NH47.

There could be private participation to take care of the high costs.
It is easy to say that an overhead railway through the existing NH. But overhead railway for the entire length of kerala will be very costly and will not be economically feasible. For such a project attracting private participation will be difficult. Even for Mumbai-Ahmedabad HSR, private parties are not interested.

The advantage of suburban railway is, it is not costly but will be cheaper than the present bus charge. So it is useful for the common people. The people who can pay high price & value the time, can use the fast trains.

For Suburban railway we need political will and influence only. The govt. can even bear 50% of the cost as it will be useful the state. The total cost will be less than 20000 crores.
 

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^^

Our #$%%^&%$ politicians did absolutely nothing when we had unrestricted power and influence at the center for a whole decade... whatever amendment to the IR act we wanted, we could have got it, if those jerks were really serious about it... to cut a long story short, it's too late now.
 

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Also, as Chengannur has very less space availability at the current station, how will a terminal station function there. Kayankulam would have been much better as it has enough space for even an expansion. Else they should extend it to Kottayam or Ernakulam.

Suburban railway is already planned for Trivandrum-Chengannur. But as IR projects are taking time.. this also will take time to get implemented. But in my opinion this proposal itself would have been for the entire state.

Once the doubling of Ekm-Kottayam/Alappuzha line is over suburban can run all over kerala.
 

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Resently heard in TV News that Congress President will fight for Women's Reservation in Parliament. When they could have already cleared it if they had will in the decade they were ruling. So the State politician will blame Center and vice versa and the ultimate looser will be the General Public who expects that their each and every concern will be looked and solved by these Governments.(Such announcements are defenite to come)

Mr. Alferd who has been actively supporting the Suburban Railways do ever dream to travel in these trains ???

2 years are left for us to dream such a railway services untill 2 days prior to Elections. So dream and dream. Because Government is not taxing any person for dreams.
 

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Resently heard in TV News that Congress President will fight for Women's Reservation in Parliament. When they could have already cleared it if they had will in the decade they were ruling. So the State politician will blame Center and vice versa and the ultimate looser will be the General Public who expects that their each and every concern will be looked and solved by these Governments.(Such announcements are defenite to come)

Mr. Alferd who has been actively supporting the Suburban Railways do ever dream to travel in these trains ???

2 years are left for us to dream such a railway services untill 2 days prior to Elections. So dream and dream. Because Government is not taxing any person for dreams.
Yes we can have dreams............ even our present central govt teach us to see dreams......... one day our dreams will become true.......hope before our physical existence become void :eek:hno:

See we are discussing about the future projects / modifications / extensions. So we can discuss it here. When I started the discussion here about suburban railways about 3 years back, many mocked me.. but now we know there is a possibility in Kerala.

The main hurdle for suburban railway is Indian Railway, but ironically the main possibility is also Indian Railway. So we need to push for this project through govt. of kerala and other sources as this is the most suitable mass transportation system for Kerala.
 

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Also, as Chengannur has very less space availability at the current station, how will a terminal station function there. Kayankulam would have been much better as it has enough space for even an expansion. Else they should extend it to Kottayam or Ernakulam.
Yes Kottayam was a better option to be a terminal station. May be some kind of length of suburban railway does matter for deciding chengannur as terminal station.

The next suburban section will be between Chengannur-Ernakulam.
 

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Yes Kottayam was a better option to be a terminal station. May be some kind of length of suburban railway does matter for deciding chengannur as terminal station.

The next suburban section will be between Chengannur-Ernakulam.
Ideally, the following could be Suburban Railway Sectors in Southern part of Kerala:
1) TVM Nemom - TVM Central - Kochu Veli - Kollam Jn - Kayamkulam Jn - Chengannur
2) Kollam Jn - Kottarakkara - Punalur - Aryankavu
3) TVM Nemom - Neyyatinkara - Parassala - (Nagercoil - Kanyakumari)
4) Chengannur - Kottayam - Tripunithura - Ernakulam Town - Aluva - Nedumbassery Airport - Angamaly
5) Chengannur - Kottayam - Tripunithura - Ernakulam Jn - Mattancheri - Kochi Harb Terminus
6) Kayamkulam Jn - Haripad - Alappuzha - Cherthala - Ernakulam Jn - Mattancheri - Kochi Harb Terminus
7) Kayamkulam Jn - Haripad - Alappuzha - Cherthala - Ernakulam Jn - Ernakulam Town - Aluva - Nedumbassery Airport - Angamaly

I prefer Suburban Terminal in TVM Nemom rather than TVM Central.

Terminus Stations: TVM Nemom, Parassala, Kanyakumari, Kollam Jn, Kayamkulam Jn, Chengannur, Aryankavu, Kochi Harb Terminus, Angamaly
 
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