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In 2012 the DRC will host the 14th Francophonie Summit, which will be attended by 70 heads of state and government and an impressive number of delegates and journalists. To this end, the Congolese government is expected press on with the modernization of the city by building even more infrastructure (roads, hotels, a conference centre, etc.) than already planned. What are your suggestions as to what should be given priority?
 

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Kinshasa suffers from a severe shortage of hotel rooms. There are only 2 big international 5-star hotels (Memling and Grand Hotel de Kinshasa), a 3rd one is under construction and almost completed at place de la Gare. As for the Rakeen Hotel and conference centre, I do not believe they will be ready by 2012. Even if they were completed, it would still be insufficient for a 3-day international event of that magnitude. The solution would be to convert the CCIC building - a 22-story beautiful structure that has been almost abandoned for the last 20 years and is in need rehabilitation - into an international 5-star hotel. I think 40 to $ 50 million would do the trick. The management will be transferred to a private company – just like the Grand Karavia in Lubumbashi.

CCIC Building in Kinshasa
 

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What a country!!!


Congo needs special events to upgrade and build :eek:hno:


As for this building I wish it all the best and I feel much safer since it is in the hands of a private company.
 

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Vous pensez que d'ici même pas deux ans, on aura le temps d'investir 40 à 50 millions de dollars dans la réhabilitation d'un immeuble abandonné? Cela me paraît quelque peu réaliste.

Je préfère croire que des solutions d'hébergement avaient déjà été prévues avant même que Kinshasa ne soit choisie comme lieu d'accueil du sommet.
 

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^^Les Chinois leurs construiront un truc en 12 mois, tu verras. Au pire, y a Brazza de l'autre côté du fleuve.
 

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Vous pensez que d'ici même pas deux ans, on aura le temps d'investir 40 à 50 millions de dollars dans la réhabilitation d'un immeuble abandonné? Cela me paraît quelque peu réaliste.

Je préfère croire que des solutions d'hébergement avaient déjà été prévues avant même que Kinshasa ne soit choisie comme lieu d'accueil du sommet.
Oui, je crois que le sauvetage de cet immeuble serait une bonne idée, pour ne pas dire un impératif. Construit en 1977 à grands frais par l’entreprise française Bouygues, cet immeuble dont l’acronyme signifie « Centre du commerce International du Zaïre (aujourd’hui du Congo) » n’a jamais rempli son rôle originel à cause de la désorganisation et de la corruption du régime mobutiste. Etant donné que sa construction a été financée par la France à la belle époque de la Françafrique, la RDC continue à devoir à ce pays une somme qui ne lui a jamais profité. Alors, pourquoi ne pas rentabiliser l’immeuble en le transformant en hôtel de luxe, ceci d’autant plus que l’Organisation internationale de la francophonie contribuera financièrement à l’organisation du sommet ?
 

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I would like to see the government take its foot of investors .
The government if it wants to show its country and its capital city should focus more on open governance. Also put its foot down on corruption. if they can gain room in this area, the city will look very vey different in a span of even one year.
 

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I'm not going to make anymore cynical comments(i'm already tired).

What i think they need to do is build a whole new Convention/conference center, 2 large 5 star Hotels.

And a New terminal.

Give them to the Chinese, they will finish them before you complain of readiness. :lol:
 

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^^Les Chinois leurs construiront un truc en 12 mois, tu verras. Au pire, y a Brazza de l'autre côté du fleuve.
En effet, nous sommes encore à 24 mois du sommet de la francophonie et la construction et l’équipement d’un bâtiment de cette taille (22 étages) peut se faire en moins de 20 mois, à plus forte raison la restauration/conversion d’un immeuble déjà existant…A Kinshasa, les Chinois sont en phase d’achèvement de la restauration et extension de ce qui sera « l’Hôpital du cinquantenaire » (le plus grand d’Afrique centrale). Durée des travaux : 18 mois.
Par ailleurs, 40 ou 50 millions de $ pour la construction/restauration et l’équipement d’un hôtel 5 étoiles de plus de 400 lits, ce n’est assurément pas la mer à boire. La RDC dispose d’un budget de 3 milliards de $ (sans compter les dons et autres crédits) pour la première phase de sa modernisation et au niveau des infrastructures, son parc hôtelier embryonnaire constitue un frein pour les investissements et le tourisme. Donc, le développement de ce secteur est une priorité.
 

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There is indeed a plan to have the ICC converted to a 5-star hotel but I dont know when that will be done. I remember one of the minister Jenanine Mabunda mentioning that during one her meetings.

I personally dont think they will be any new building raising up by Oct 2012, even if I would hope so. If anything was to be done, this should have been planned and we should have been aware by that. In my opionion, I think they will be using the place de l'union Africaine (former OUA where they held the SDC and CEEAC summit, the Parliament building and those two prestigious hotels).

Very sad that Kinshasa does not have a convention center and more 5-star hotels. This could have been a great opportunity to have at least a hotel and a convention center built, knowing that we have applied to host the 2015/2017 African Cup of Nations.

I think the effort will be more on basic infrastructures like roads, electricity, telecommunication, water and the cultural part. If they can use this opportunity to reinforce the transportation system and clean up the city, that will be the least we can expect. Until then, we are just speculating.
 

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There is indeed a plan to have the ICC converted to a 5-star hotel but I dont know when that will be done. I remember one of the minister Jenanine Mabunda mentioning that during one her meetings.

I personally dont think they will be any new building raising up by Oct 2012, even if I would hope so. If anything was to be done, this should have been planned and we should have been aware by that. In my opionion, I think they will be using the place de l'union Africaine (former OUA where they held the SDC and CEEAC summit, the Parliament building and those two prestigious hotels).
True.

Very sad that Kinshasa does not have a convention center and more 5-star hotels. This could have been a great opportunity to have at least a hotel and a convention center built, knowing that we have applied to host the 2015/2017 African Cup of Nations.


I think the effort will be more on basic infrastructures like roads, electricity, telecommunication, water and the cultural part. If they can use this opportunity to reinforce the transportation system and clean up the city, that will be the least we can expect. Until then, we are just speculating.
Very sad, shameful and true.
 

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There is indeed a plan to have the ICC converted to a 5-star hotel but I dont know when that will be done. I remember one of the minister Jenanine Mabunda mentioning that during one her meetings.

I personally dont think they will be any new building raising up by Oct 2012, even if I would hope so. If anything was to be done, this should have been planned and we should have been aware by that. In my opionion, I think they will be using the place de l'union Africaine (former OUA where they held the SDC and CEEAC summit, the Parliament building and those two prestigious hotels).

Very sad that Kinshasa does not have a convention center and more 5-star hotels. This could have been a great opportunity to have at least a hotel and a convention center built, knowing that we have applied to host the 2015/2017 African Cup of Nations.

I think the effort will be more on basic infrastructures like roads, electricity, telecommunication, water and the cultural part. If they can use this opportunity to reinforce the transportation system and clean up the city, that will be the least we can expect. Until then, we are just speculating.
Your assessment might be accurate – unfortunately. But I still hope against hope that there will be a surge in national pride on the part of the hitherto incompetent leaders, who will try to present the country to the world as an “awakening African giant”. Otherwise, this event would be a national humiliation – one more. Will they, again, host such a mega event, the biggest in the country’s history, under a circus-like big top somewhere in the garden of “Cité de l’OUA”? I prefer not to think about it.
 

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Your assessment might be accurate – unfortunately. But I still hope against hope that there will be a surge in national pride on the part of the hitherto incompetent leaders, who will try to present the country to the world as an “awakening African giant”. Otherwise, this event would be a national humiliation – one more. Will they, again, host such a mega event, the biggest in the country’s history, under a circus-like big top somewhere in the garden of “Cité de l’OUA”? I prefer not to think about it.
:hahaha:


I still don't understand why they can just build a Convention Center. With all the money they pocket. They would rather spend it on buying SUVs for Deputies.:eek:hno:

Damn shame. I think they have an agenda to humiliate this country. Because everything they have been doing has been a Humiliation .
 

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No guys, don't be desperate , we can use tents :) , a picnic summit
 

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Next year election will determine if the summit will be Kinshasa or not. If the process is fair and credible .....no massive protestation then for sure we will host the summit.

In terms infrastructure; Kaps76 said it all.....it is going to be a picnic summit in the tents at Cite De L'OUA. Truly, I have no problem with it. I would rather have them invest in things that will benefit or improving daily life of normal citizen than building convention center or villas to host few world leaders.

Mulopwe
 

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Next year election will determine if the summit will be Kinshasa or not. If the process is fair and credible .....no massive protestation then for sure we will host the summit.

In terms infrastructure; Kaps76 said it all.....it is going to be a picnic summit in the tents at Cite De L'OUA. Truly, I have no problem with it. I would rather have them invest in things that will benefit or improving daily life of normal citizen than building convention center or villas to host few world leaders.

Mulopwe
Well, I doubt whether the outcome of the elections will be a determining factor in hosting the summit because:

1. It is becoming increasingly difficult in incipient democracies of Africa to determine the degree to which an election has been fair or not because of the contenders’ bad faith. Nobody accepts an electoral defeat. Rejection of elections outcome has been ritualized, as recent elections in Gabon, Togo, Kenya, Mauritania, etc. show. This phenomenon has become so pervasive that the international community no longer takes it seriously. No President elected after a controversial election has lost an inch of international legitimacy – not even Mugabe…

2. The summit will take place almost a year after the elections. This is a long time in international “Realpolitik”. If the incumbent wins the election – fairly or not – the international community will have willy-nilly to deal with him because he is the person who rewards favourable mining contracts, not the “opposition” and human rights organizations.

As for the need of new infrastructure, I understand your point, but the fact is that investing in such infrastructure as convention centres and high standard hotels is as important as building social infrastructure for the common people. Why?

A state is not a commercial enterprise; it does not generate profit to be distributed to the people in form of social benefits. To fulfil its role as provider of public goods, the state depends on taxes paid by companies and the workforce. So, it must attract these investors by catering to their needs. The best way to achieve that is to assure its international visibility by hosting major international events and this requires an appropriate infrastructure. Countries like South Africa, Kenya, Morocco and Egypt have invested in such infrastructure and are reaping the benefits economically.

If the DRC is to wait until it lifts its entire population out of poverty before starting to develop its soft power assets, it will be condemned to live in poverty and depend on international alms for the next thousand years.
 

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Even in the Super peaceful, non tribal politics Tanzania. The Opposition didn't concede, they called for Vote recount.

Something is wrong with African politicians.

Anyhow. As big as Congo is. we need and must build infrastructures every chance we get. we are the only nation so big and sparcely populated . so we are are going to over spend all over nations.

Tourism is a big sleeping giant in country. with all the shortages of hotel rooms, conference centers (for business matters).

This is a sector that we must not ignore. it already been ignored for long time, but countries such as South Africa, Egypt, Kenya, Angola, Tanzania, even Zambia have and still invest in this industry.

Water and electricity, we all know the truth with this government.

We can have all kinds of wishful thinking and better ideas for how the country needs to go forward, but we aren't going to do anything about it.

So, having a new convention center or renovating the existing building isn't going to be a bad idea. Its an investment that will create some jobs and will be beneficial for the future .
 

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Well, I doubt whether the outcome of the elections will be a determining factor in hosting the summit because:

1. It is becoming increasingly difficult in incipient democracies of Africa to determine the degree to which an election has been fair or not because of the contenders’ bad faith. Nobody accepts an electoral defeat. Rejection of elections outcome has been ritualized, as recent elections in Gabon, Togo, Kenya, Mauritania, etc. show. This phenomenon has become so pervasive that the international community no longer takes it seriously. No President elected after a controversial election has lost an inch of international legitimacy – not even Mugabe…

2. The summit will take place almost a year after the elections. This is a long time in international “Realpolitik”. If the incumbent wins the election – fairly or not – the international community will have willy-nilly to deal with him because he is the person who rewards favourable mining contracts, not the “opposition” and human rights organizations.

As for the need of new infrastructure, I understand your point, but the fact is that investing in such infrastructure as convention centres and high standard hotels is as important as building social infrastructure for the common people. Why?

A state is not a commercial enterprise; it does not generate profit to be distributed to the people in form of social benefits. To fulfil its role as provider of public goods, the state depends on taxes paid by companies and the workforce. So, it must attract these investors by catering to their needs. The best way to achieve that is to assure its international visibility by hosting major international events and this requires an appropriate infrastructure. Countries like South Africa, Kenya, Morocco and Egypt have invested in such infrastructure and are reaping the benefits economically.

If the DRC is to wait until it lifts its entire population out of poverty before starting to develop its soft power assets, it will be condemned to live in poverty and depend on international alms for the next thousand years.
Dear Puis,

Last summit was moved to Swiss instead of Madagascar because political instability. Election will take place last quarter of 2011 and first quarter of 2012 with new president taking over the office in April 2012. We don't have a year prior the summit to sort out things therefore;It is imperative to have fair and credible election.

To attract investors you don't need to invest in convention center , hotels and villas. Security should be first priority and rules of laws. South Africa, Kenya and Egypt all have invested massively in security and rule of law that is why they are competitive. Once investors realize that they can move goods and services from North to South , East to West with no problem and that there is an independent justice system establish in case a comfits arise , they will open wallets with no hesitation.

Next five years, DRC needs to invest in basic stuff: Roads , water supply, stable power supply, justice system etc..... We don't need to compete at this stage.

Mulopwe
 
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