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sanjupalayat

Discussion Starter · Mar 13, 2010

Come on guys, shoot your opinions regarding developments that has to come to Kochi for her development...

Let us discuss it here, so that the project threads wont become messed up.......

We were talking about the infrastructural development needed for Kochi's development, what do you guys think about the need of Metro in kochi...

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DileepKS

· #12 · Mar 15, 2010

NH-17 in the city end is stuck with the land acquisition issue. Land was acquired for 30 metres ROW, but now NHAI needs 45 metres. A lot of buildings had come up on either side of the 30 metres swath, so there is serious opposition to the new requirement.

IMHO, rather than delaying things or steamrolling the popular opinion, the road should be built in the 30 metres space.

Widening chittoor road seems impossible, since every inch of the space on either side is built up, and the land price in in tens of lakhs. Same is the case for all the city roads. We should focus on roads that could be built without too much disruption to the present build ups.

IMHO, the following are the needs of road infra for the greater metro area:

1. Bypass the through traffic on NH-47. Start with an 'inner bypass' using the SP/AP road. Then, by 2020, build the outer bypass Angamaly-Perumbavoor-Puthencruz-Thalayolaparambu-Vechoor-Cherthala.

2. Create a feeder freeway from Kalamassery-Edapally-Bypass-Aroor, with ramps at major intersections.

3. Create an elevated city freeway from Cheranelloor-Highcourt-Menaka-South-Thevara with ramps at major points.

4. Build arteries to CBD.

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DileepKS

· #17 · Mar 26, 2010

അന്ത്യശാസനം ടീകോം തള്ളി

http://www.metrovaartha.com/2010/03/26024156/SMART-CITY-FAREED.html

അന്ത്യശാസനം ടീകോം തള്ളി

സ്മാര്*ട്ട് സിറ്റി പദ്ധതിയുമായി ബന്ധപ്പെട്ടു തങ്ങള്*ക്ക് അന്ത്യശാസനം നല്*കാന്* സംസ്ഥാന സര്*ക്കാരിന് അധികാരമില്ലെന്നു സ്മാര്*ട്ട് സിറ്റി സിഇഒ ഫരീദ് അബ്ദുള്* റഹ്മാന്*. പദ്ധതി അനന്തമായി നീളാന്* കാരണം സംസ്ഥാന സര്*ക്കാരിന്*റെ നടപടികളാണെന്നും അദ്ദേഹം അറിയിച്ചു. അടുത്ത തിങ്കളാഴ്ച സ്മാര്*ട്ട് സിറ്റി ഡയറക്റ്റര്* ബോര്*ഡ് യോഗം കൊച്ചിയില്* നടക്കാനിരിക്കെയാണു സര്*ക്കാര്* നടപടി സംബന്ധിച്ച ടീകോമിന്*റെ വിശദീകരണം. സ്വതന്ത്രാവകാശ ഭൂമി വേണമെന്ന ടീകോമിന്*റെ നിലപാടില്* മാറ്റമില്ലെന്ന് അറിയിക്കുക വഴി സര്*ക്കാരിനെ സമ്മര്*ദത്തിലാക്കുകയാണ്, ഡയറക്റ്റര്* ബോര്*ഡ് യോഗം നടക്കുന്നതിനു നാലു ദിവസം മുന്*പു കമ്പനി പുറത്തിറക്കിയ പത്രക്കുറിപ്പിന്*റെ ലക്ഷ്യം.
പദ്ധതി വൈകുന്നതു സംബന്ധിച്ചും അതിന്*റെ കാരണങ്ങളെക്കുറിച്ചുമുള്ള പത്തു ചോദ്യങ്ങള്*ക്ക് ഉത്തരം നല്*കുന്ന രൂപത്തിലാണു ടീകോമിന്*റെ വിശദീകരണം. പദ്ധതി എങ്ങനെയാണു തുടങ്ങേണ്ടതെന്നും ടീകോമിന്*റെയും സര്*ക്കാരിന്*റെയും ഉത്തരവാദിത്വങ്ങള്* എന്തായിരിക്കുമെന്നും ഫ്രെയിം വര്*ക്ക് എഗ്രിമെന്*റില്* പറഞ്ഞിട്ടുണ്ടെന്നു വിശദീകരണത്തില്* ചൂണ്ടിക്കാട്ടുന്നു. ഇക്കാരണത്താല്*ത്തന്നെ പദ്ധതി സംബന്ധിച്ചു തങ്ങള്*ക്ക് അന്ത്യശാസനം നല്*കാന്* കേരള സര്*ക്കാറിന് അധികാരമില്ല.
ഫ്രെയിം വര്*ക്ക് എഗ്രിമെന്*റില്* സ്വതന്ത്രാവകാശ ഭൂമിയെക്കുറിച്ചു പരാമര്*ശിക്കുന്നില്ലെന്ന മുഖ്യമന്ത്രിയുടെ പ്രസ്താവനയ്ക്കും ടീകോം മറുപടി നല്*കി. സ്വതന്ത്രാവകാശമെന്നതു ഫ്രെയിം വര്*ക്ക് എഗ്രിമെന്*റില്* വ്യവസ്ഥ ചെയ്യുന്നുണ്ട്. ഇതു തങ്ങള്*ക്കു മാത്രം ഗുണകരമാകുന്ന ഒന്നല്ല. ഇന്ത്യന്* കമ്പനീസ് ആക്റ്റ് പ്രകാരം രജിസ്റ്റര്* ചെയ്തിരിക്കുന്ന സ്മാര്*ട്ട് സിറ്റി കൊച്ചി എന്ന കമ്പനിയുടെ പേരിലാണു സ്വതന്ത്രാവകാശ ഭൂമി ആവശ്യപ്പെടുന്നത്. സംസ്ഥാന സര്*ക്കാരിന്*റെ ഐടി വകുപ്പി വെബ്സൈറ്റില്* പ്രസിദ്ധീകരിച്ചിട്ടുള്ള ഫ്രെയിം വര്*ക് എഗ്രിമെന്*റ് പരിശോധിച്ച് ഇതുസംബന്ധിച്ച വസ്തുതകള്* ആര്*ക്കും മനസിലാക്കാം.
സ്വതന്ത്രാവകാശ ഭൂമി, പ്രത്യേക സാമ്പത്തിക മേഖലാ പദവി, സ്റ്റാംപ് ഡ്യൂട്ടി ഇളവ് തുടങ്ങിയ പ്രശ്നങ്ങളാണ് ഇപ്പോള്* നിലനില്*ക്കുന്നതെന്നു ഫരീദ് അബ്ദുള്* റഹ്മാന്* ചൂണ്ടിക്കാട്ടി. ഫ്രെയിംവര്*ക്ക് എഗ്രിമെന്*റ് പ്രകാരമുള്ള കാര്യങ്ങള്* മാത്രമാണു തങ്ങള്* ആവശ്യപ്പെടുന്നത്. ടീകോമിന്*റെ ഭാഗത്തു യാതൊരു തടസവുമില്ല. പദ്ധതി സംസ്ഥാനത്തെ ജനങ്ങള്*ക്കു പ്രയോജനപ്പെടുന്നതും കേരളത്തെയും കൊച്ചിയെയും ഐടി നിക്ഷേപ കേന്ദ്രങ്ങളാകാന്* സഹായിക്കുന്നതുമാണ്.
ദുബായിലെ സാമ്പത്തിക മാന്ദ്യം ടീകോമിനെയും ബാധിച്ചതിനാലാണു പദ്ധതി പ്രവര്*ത്തനം തുടങ്ങാതെ നീട്ടിക്കൊണ്ടുപോകുന്നതെന്ന മുഖ്യമന്ത്രിയുടെ ആരോപണം സ്മാര്*ട്ട് സിറ്റി സിഇഒ തള്ളി.
ടീകോമിനെ സാമ്പത്തികമാന്ദ്യം ബാധിച്ചെന്ന ആരോപണങ്ങള്* തീര്*ത്തും തെറ്റാണ്. മാള്*ട്ടയിലെ പദ്ധതി ഒന്നാംഘട്ടം പൂര്*ത്തിയാക്കിയതാണ് ഇതിന് ഉദാഹരണമായി അദ്ദേഹം ചൂണ്ടിക്കാട്ടിയത്. മാള്*ട്ട പദ്ധതി ഒരു വര്*ഷവും മൂന്നുമാസവും കൊണ്ട് ഒന്നാംഘട്ടം പൂര്*ത്തിയാക്കി. ഈ വര്*ഷം മൂന്നാംപാദത്തില്* ഇതിന്*റെ പ്രവര്*ത്തനം തുടങ്ങുമെന്നും കുറിപ്പില്* പറയുന്നു.
പത്താം തീയയിയിലെ മന്ത്രിസഭാ യോഗത്തിലാണു സ്മാര്*ട്ട് സിറ്റി പദ്ധതി സംബന്ധിച്ചു സര്*ക്കാര്* ഔദ്യോഗികമായി ചര്*ച്ചചെയ്തത്. സ്വതന്ത്രാവകാശത്തോടെ ഭൂമി നല്*കില്ലെന്നും പദ്ധതി ഉടന്* തുടങ്ങണമെന്നുമാവശ്യപ്പെട്ടു ടീകോമിന് അന്ത്യശാസന കത്ത് അയയ്ക്കാന്* മന്ത്രിസഭാ യോഗം തീരുമാനിച്ചിരുന്നു.
തിങ്കളാഴ്ച വൈകിട്ടു നാലിനു കുമ്പളം റമദ റിസോര്*ട്ടിലാണു ഡയറക്റ്റര്* ബോര്*ഡ് മീറ്റിങ്. ടീകോമുമായുണ്ടാക്കിയ കരാര്* പ്രകാരം കമ്പനിയുടെഇരുപതാം ഡയറക്റ്റര്* ബോര്*ഡ് യോഗം ഈമാസം ചേരേണ്ടതുണ്ട്. അതുപ്രകാരമാണ് 29നു ഡയറക്റ്റര്* ബോര്*ഡ് യോഗം ചേരുന്നതെന്നാണ് ഔദ്യോഗിക വിശദീകരണം.
കഴിഞ്ഞ മന്ത്രിസഭാ യോഗത്തില്* സര്*ക്കാര്* കൈക്കൊണ്ട ധാരണകള്* ടീകോമിനെ തിങ്കളാഴ്ചത്തെ യോഗത്തില്* അറിയിക്കും. തുടര്*ന്നു നടക്കുന്ന ചര്*ച്ചകള്* പദ്ധതിയുടെ ഭാവി നിശ്ചയിക്കുക.

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DileepKS

· #19 · Mar 26, 2010

Sudheesh, the forum software is doing something to unicode. The other forums where I post does work fine. Maybe I shbouldn't post malayalam here.

Right now, I am a bit pressed for time for translation. I can come back and do it later, or delete the post.

About the Avatar, maybe you saw me around when you visited here.

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DileepKS

· #21 · Mar 27, 2010

arunpr said:
TECOM doesnt have the fund to prepare a master plan for the project.

That is pure speculation. Let me make another speculation:

There is split in CPM (and LDF) on who gets/got what share of the kickback. TECOM refused to pay more to satisfy the side who got less in the initial distribution, hence the standstill.

Pure speculation only, no proof. As good as the 'TECOM has no money' speculation.

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DileepKS

· #25 · Mar 27, 2010

Hmm, in 2002, the only thing at Kakkanad was Kusumagiri? That shows how well informed you are.

I know for a fact (not speculation, FACT) that the government was actively promoting Technopark those days. Companies who wanted to set up shop in CEPZ (because of the VSNL Gateway) were strongly discouraged and packed off to Technopark. IT development was 'permitted' only after Technopark attained some kind of critical mass. When development did come, it took off well, and it is no wonder that it attracted world wide interest, including TECOM's.

And your speculation that Ummen Chandy (BTW, I reported your post for twisting the name to a vulgar and derogatory term, not that I expect anything out of it) and Kunhalikutty were going to get crores have the same validity of my speculation that the current stalemate is because of the question of how to share the same crores between your comrade leaders.

Both speculation. No proof. Oh, I forgot. Our dear comrade leaders can't do any evil, while those dirty politicians are neck deep in it. Same tactics of the great paper that informs the truth early.

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DileepKS

· #28 · Mar 27, 2010

I personally know what Susheela Gopalan did (or didn't) at Kakkanad. I had the misfortune to sit in a meeting where her key adviser equated a state of the art electronics manufacturing plant to a cashew processing plant, arguing that both places 'labour is exploited by capital'. I also know the eventual result of that meeting as well.

What past is past. The IT region to the east of Mahabali's capital is a reality. 400+ acres of land is acquired and is with the government. This delay tactics is only hurting the region and the state eventually.

Maybe the party decided to give it to another bidder, who agreed to satisfy all the sides, unlike TECOM. That maybe the reason they want to kick them out and give it to another. Who knows the undercurrents at the foggy bottom!!

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DileepKS

· #29 · Mar 27, 2010

I really don't know who brought CEPZ in. It was in early 1980s. After that the state government and the local politicians had no role in it. It was run by the commerce ministry in a typical babu style. There was no scope for union, so politicians had no interest. It all changed when it started growing in the nineties. After that the only constructive thing done by the state was to build the road (the current SP/AP road). Destructive things, well, I'd rather not talk about it. I don't want a bunch of DYFIs stoning my car tomorrow.

And from that, our friend Arun here claim that Susheela Gopalan made the Electronics park. What a pity!! She made NOTHING here.

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DileepKS

· #35 · Mar 28, 2010

arunpr said:
We now have a high technology park in Kochi, a food processing park in Kozhikode, an export promotion industrial park in Kochi, an apparel park in Trivandrum, a film and video park in Trivandrum and a herbal park in Wynad and Idduki. There are eight more industrial parks being planned. We have just started a special economic zone in Kochi. It is like a free trade zone.

Hmm, if this is not എട്ടുകാലി മമ്മൂഞ്ഞ് logic I don't know what is. CEPZ was started in 1982, and it was converted into a SEZ in 2002. All done by the central govt. The State has NOTHING to do with it.

And which is the High Technology Park here? Kinfra?

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DileepKS

· #36 · Mar 28, 2010

arunpr said:
There is a correction. TECOM started discussions with Kerala in 2000 itself. So now 10 years are over.

Oh, that is thanx to your comrades. When UDF wanted to do it, you guys opposed. When some of your own wanted to do it, the other side stalled it.

You are like this, always. While progressive people think twenty years ahead, you think 20 years BEHIND. That's all.

BTW, just that we are familiar, could you tell us a bit more about yourself? Where do you live, and what is your line of work, other than being a party comrade?

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DileepKS

· #43 · Mar 28, 2010

Arunpr, thanks for the clarifications. this is not the forum, and I have no interest in discussing party politics or ideology. So I will pass that.

I was away from Kakkanad for the early half of this decade. But what I know is that when Kinfra park was being set up, companies were DENIED permission to set up IT operations in favour of Technopark. When that (stupid) policy changed, companies started thronging to the area. That included DIC.

Now, there is no point in talking about all those. Let us focus on the Smart City problem.

Let me summarize what I gather from your previous posts.

1. The UDF leaders wanted to give undue favours to DIC, while they set up an IT park here

2. The leaders were expecting to get huge bribes in return.

3. The LDF re-negotiated the terms to their satisfaction, since they were not expecting any kickback, resulting in the framework agreement that is published at the GoK website (that you posted here)

If you agree that these are your basis points, we can debate on the further issues.

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DileepKS

· #45 · Mar 29, 2010

rajkrish said:
^^:lol: Seems like you are good at writing fictitious stuff. Just show the proof that the Govt arm twisted IT comps to start operations at Technopark. If you can't do that just stop bringing in Technopark in the discussion. :bash:

Proof? How can one prove something that was verbally told? I don't know if there was a Govt Order or anything on that, but the answer I got from my bosses, and from the VSNL folk at the gateway was exactly that. It was common knowledge among the circle that time.

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DileepKS

· #47 · Mar 29, 2010

rajkrish said:
We've also heard stuff like this. how Wipro was forced to take up space in Infopark and how CTS was arm twisted to take up space in Technopolis. We even heard a Satyam official blasting Govt for having been told to go to Kochi when they asked for space in TVM. :lol:

That may be true. Policies change from time to time.

I mentioned the point because ArunPR seemed to imply that the IT development at Kakkanad was brought in artificially to 'sell the land' to DIC in early 2000s. That is not true.

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DileepKS

· #49 · Mar 29, 2010

Well, if the DIC is so evil, unviable and unaffordable, then why didn't the LDF govt kick them out in the beginning? Why did they sign the framework agreement that includes the clause for 'freehold'?

And yes, the blame on media. Sure! Everything is media creation onlee saar! As usual, you are thinking 20 years behind. This would have worked 20 years ago.

Do you REALLY think much of your own cadres believe that BS?

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DileepKS

· #50 · Mar 29, 2010

The argument that you don't need DIC, we can market ourselves, strongly reminds me of the "we don't need big factories to make steel, we can do it in our backyards" theory of Chairman Mao. Gleat Reap Folwald onlee.

DileepKS

· #55 · Mar 30, 2010

Sudheesh, I assume you know/guess where my information comes from. Probably the KITEL started after the policy change. I personally know the types and amounts of pressure that came in the direction of my organization.

DileepKS

· #59 · Apr 1, 2010

sudheeshnairs said:
As I have mentioned earlier, I have the first hand information of the Govt’s request to Wipro to take space in Infopark and not in Technopark.

Well, I have 'reliable second hand' (ie, the my boss heard it, and told me) information on what I said. We will know the truth when Aruna Sundarraj writes her service story. Let us agree to disagree right now.

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DileepKS

· #64 · Apr 2, 2010

Yes, youth (which I doubt I belong) is very much to blame. But it is their choice. Look at ArunPR here. He is an IT pro, but (blindly) supports the communist party and its policies. I see a lot of net savy people around doing that.

USing the same computers that they opposed. IRONY!

DileepKS

· #70 · Apr 2, 2010

arunpr said:
CPIM didnt oppose computer. During that time, they were concerned about the job losses due to computer and it is a concern about the peoples party.

Well, of course. Like someone said, "I didn't stab the man, my hands did."

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the anti-computer agitation. But I remember from the anti-tractor agitation. The statement that "CPIM didn't oppose computer" is an UTTER LIE.

CPIM doesn't oppose computers anymore, as the leaders tot Laptops around.

As I said, you guys always think 20 years BEHIND. It is part of the deal, which can't be helped. It is like the drug cartels in central america, Terrorism in Pakistan, Piracy in Sudan, Apartheid in South Africa, Nazism in Germany etc. Well, the last two have, thankfully, ended.

WE, the people of Kerala deserve this. WE vote them back to power every alternate cycle. WE, stoopidly thought the great VS is the saviour. WE are like this onlee.

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DileepKS

· #74 · Apr 2, 2010

You had been constantly mentioning Media Mafia. Could you explain to us ignorant folks:

1. Who are they?
2. What exactly are they doing?
3. Why are they doing it?
4. With own media outlets, why CPIM can't do the same back?

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DileepKS

· #80 · Apr 3, 2010

"They are out to get us" is a strategy used by ALL authoritative regimes, including the USA.

Soviets are coming: Cold War USA
Al Quaida is coming: War on Terror USA
Yankee is coming: USSR
Hindoos are coming: Pakistan Army

The so called Media Mafia is such a scam. It is not unlike the celebrities saying "my face is morphed" when videos of themselves in compromising positions surface. Of course the media are not independent or unbiased. None of them are. But the notions of them trying to hunt down and kill off the leftist organizations is pure victim play.

And why did you add Mathrubhumi in the list? It was redder than Deshabhimani. Oh, wait! Things changed! Veeran is persona non grata now. I get it!

And on one side you claim none of the business concerns that we KNOW belong to the CPIM aren't, trying to hide behind the veil of being "co-operative" and "people owned" etc, and on the other hand, you agree that they are, indeed owned by CPIM.

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