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hmm kumanova is like 40% I think...

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Before Macedonia became part of Yugoslavia, in 1944; western Macedonia was part of Albania. In this area, the Albanians are the original inhabitants. The Albanians are the second largest population group in Macedonia, after the Slavs-Macedonians. Other macedonian population groups include, the Turks, Vlasies, Roma and Bulgars. Approximately, 700,000 Albanians are living in Macedonia.

Culture and Language
The Albanians of Macedonia are overwhelmingly Muslim although there are a few Christian Orthodox villages. (Meanwhile, the largest population group, the Macedonian, is Christian Orthodox.) Their language is Albanian. Like other Albanians in the Balkan, they have a strong Albanian identity.

Organisations
Party for Democratic Prosperity (PPD) It is the largest Albanian party in Macedonia. It is the third party by participation in the Macedonian Parliament. President is Ymer Ymeri. Party for Democracy of Albanians in Macedonia (PPDSH) Second largest Albanian party in Macedonia. It was formed 3 years from a wing that separated from the PPD. This party's main strongholds are Tetova and Gostivar. President is Arben Xhaferi.

Economy
Agriculture is relatively well developed, although the soil is poor. There is little industry. A major part of the population, primarily Albanians, work abroad as a result of the lack of opportunities inside Macedonia.

Brief History
May 2001 Macedonia forms unity government
July 2000 Macedonia legalizes Albanian-language university
In the 1950’s and 60’s during the reign of the interior minister Aleksander Rankovic, more than 450.000 Albanians were deported to Turkey, and tens of thousands were tortured. This led to the purification of cities like Shkup (Skopje) and Monsatir (Bitola) of Albanians.
At present in Bitola, Albanian houses are once again destroyed and the Albanian population chased away from their homes.
Before the independence of Macedonia in 1992, the Albanians enjoyed the same constitutional rights as the Slav-Macedonians. However, the Albanians were discriminated against in everyday life. After 1992, Macedonia changed its constitution at the expense of the non-Slav people living in Macedonia. Although the Albanians compose around 40% of the whole population in Macedonia, the Macedonian government asserts that Albanians are only one of the minority populations in Macedonia and cannot, therefore, make claims of equality as a people.
Tensions between the Albanians and Macedonia started well before the republic’s declaration of independence. Since 1981 many Albanians have been dismissed from their jobs by the Macedonian authorities. The army, the police, the judiciary and the economy have largely been dominated by Macedonians and they have generally decided who is to get jobs and licenses. A large portion of the Albanian population was forced to seek work abroad since there have not been enough job opportunities in the FYROM.
In 1992, Macedonia changed its constitution, as above, so that all ´national rights’ belong to the Slavic-Macedonians in the new situation, which means that Albanians in Macedonia have no national rights. According to it, currently, an Albanian must gather about 3 times as many votes as a Slavic-Macedonian in order to be elected into the Parliament. (2,500 for a Slavic-Macedonian/ and in some districts 8000 to18,000 for an Albanian). More than 25 % of the Albanian population are deprived of their former citizenship, and thus denied the opportunity to vote. Albanians who work abroad lose their right to vote as well. This means that the Albanians will never be able to change any legislation. At this moment, 2001, only 1/6 are in the parliament .Because of the disproportianed high number of votes an Albanian representative must have to get into parliament, the Albanians are not able to get the 1/3rd of votes required to stop discriminatory laws.
In January 1992, the Albanians in Macedonia organized a successful referendum on territorial autonomy. The Slavic Macedonian government interpreted this as a first step toward secession and declared the referendum illegal. Shortly thereafter, the Council of Albanian Political Parties in the Former Yugoslavia -an umbrella organization of ethnic Albanians in Kosova, Montenegro, Serbia proper and Macedonia- decided that autonomy would only be an option for the Albanians in Macedonia if other democratic efforts to gain political and cultural rights fail.

Albanian people have no national rights, nevertheless, they are forced to pay the same taxes as Slavic-Macedonians. A major factor in improving living conditions for Albanians is education. The Albanians in Macedonia have long demanded higher education in the Albanian language. Admission to middle and higher education is made very difficult for Albanians, most higher education is in the Macedonian language. In reaction the Albanian population built an Albanian language university in Tetovo. The Macedonian government has not legalized the university yet and has therefore been illegal so far. As a consequence 4,000 graduates left the university without a recognized diploma. Even for Slavic-Macedonian universities, only 3 % of Albanian students are allowed to go to these universities. It is very difficult for Albanians to find proper employment. Therefore, Albanians go abroad for jobs and at this moment 30-40 % of Albanian working population are abroad for jobs.
Albanians have suffered from forced moving, they are not allowed their own school and cultural activities or weapons which is allowed for Slavic-Macedonians. They have no right to demonstrate, and are suppressed, tortured and shot. The Macedonian army and special security forces control the Albanian population and their villages.
The only way to get peace is to change the constitution and for the Slavic Macedonians to accept a multi ethnic state. But inequality and absolute advantages of the voting system have made it almost impossible to accomplish this.Western countries have neglected all of these violations of the Macedonian government in order to avoid war and conflict.

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hmm kumanova is like 40% I think...

Population
Before Macedonia became part of Yugoslavia, in 1944; western Macedonia was part of Albania. In this area, the Albanians are the original inhabitants. The Albanians are the second largest population group in Macedonia, after the Slavs-Macedonians. Other macedonian population groups include, the Turks, Vlasies, Roma and Bulgars. Approximately, 700,000 Albanians are living in Macedonia.

Culture and Language
The Albanians of Macedonia are overwhelmingly Muslim although there are a few Christian Orthodox villages. (Meanwhile, the largest population group, the Macedonian, is Christian Orthodox.) Their language is Albanian. Like other Albanians in the Balkan, they have a strong Albanian identity.

Organisations
Party for Democratic Prosperity (PPD) It is the largest Albanian party in Macedonia. It is the third party by participation in the Macedonian Parliament. President is Ymer Ymeri. Party for Democracy of Albanians in Macedonia (PPDSH) Second largest Albanian party in Macedonia. It was formed 3 years from a wing that separated from the PPD. This party's main strongholds are Tetova and Gostivar. President is Arben Xhaferi.

Economy
Agriculture is relatively well developed, although the soil is poor. There is little industry. A major part of the population, primarily Albanians, work abroad as a result of the lack of opportunities inside Macedonia.

Brief History
May 2001 Macedonia forms unity government
July 2000 Macedonia legalizes Albanian-language university
In the 1950’s and 60’s during the reign of the interior minister Aleksander Rankovic, more than 450.000 Albanians were deported to Turkey, and tens of thousands were tortured. This led to the purification of cities like Shkup (Skopje) and Monsatir (Bitola) of Albanians.
At present in Bitola, Albanian houses are once again destroyed and the Albanian population chased away from their homes.
Before the independence of Macedonia in 1992, the Albanians enjoyed the same constitutional rights as the Slav-Macedonians. However, the Albanians were discriminated against in everyday life. After 1992, Macedonia changed its constitution at the expense of the non-Slav people living in Macedonia. Although the Albanians compose around 40% of the whole population in Macedonia, the Macedonian government asserts that Albanians are only one of the minority populations in Macedonia and cannot, therefore, make claims of equality as a people.
Tensions between the Albanians and Macedonia started well before the republic’s declaration of independence. Since 1981 many Albanians have been dismissed from their jobs by the Macedonian authorities. The army, the police, the judiciary and the economy have largely been dominated by Macedonians and they have generally decided who is to get jobs and licenses. A large portion of the Albanian population was forced to seek work abroad since there have not been enough job opportunities in the FYROM.
In 1992, Macedonia changed its constitution, as above, so that all ´national rights’ belong to the Slavic-Macedonians in the new situation, which means that Albanians in Macedonia have no national rights. According to it, currently, an Albanian must gather about 3 times as many votes as a Slavic-Macedonian in order to be elected into the Parliament. (2,500 for a Slavic-Macedonian/ and in some districts 8000 to18,000 for an Albanian). More than 25 % of the Albanian population are deprived of their former citizenship, and thus denied the opportunity to vote. Albanians who work abroad lose their right to vote as well. This means that the Albanians will never be able to change any legislation. At this moment, 2001, only 1/6 are in the parliament .Because of the disproportianed high number of votes an Albanian representative must have to get into parliament, the Albanians are not able to get the 1/3rd of votes required to stop discriminatory laws.
In January 1992, the Albanians in Macedonia organized a successful referendum on territorial autonomy. The Slavic Macedonian government interpreted this as a first step toward secession and declared the referendum illegal. Shortly thereafter, the Council of Albanian Political Parties in the Former Yugoslavia -an umbrella organization of ethnic Albanians in Kosova, Montenegro, Serbia proper and Macedonia- decided that autonomy would only be an option for the Albanians in Macedonia if other democratic efforts to gain political and cultural rights fail.

Albanian people have no national rights, nevertheless, they are forced to pay the same taxes as Slavic-Macedonians. A major factor in improving living conditions for Albanians is education. The Albanians in Macedonia have long demanded higher education in the Albanian language. Admission to middle and higher education is made very difficult for Albanians, most higher education is in the Macedonian language. In reaction the Albanian population built an Albanian language university in Tetovo. The Macedonian government has not legalized the university yet and has therefore been illegal so far. As a consequence 4,000 graduates left the university without a recognized diploma. Even for Slavic-Macedonian universities, only 3 % of Albanian students are allowed to go to these universities. It is very difficult for Albanians to find proper employment. Therefore, Albanians go abroad for jobs and at this moment 30-40 % of Albanian working population are abroad for jobs.
Albanians have suffered from forced moving, they are not allowed their own school and cultural activities or weapons which is allowed for Slavic-Macedonians. They have no right to demonstrate, and are suppressed, tortured and shot. The Macedonian army and special security forces control the Albanian population and their villages.
The only way to get peace is to change the constitution and for the Slavic Macedonians to accept a multi ethnic state. But inequality and absolute advantages of the voting system have made it almost impossible to accomplish this.Western countries have neglected all of these violations of the Macedonian government in order to avoid war and conflict.

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You're messing with the numbers again eagle_al. There was a perfectly legal census in 2002 which gave the number of 25% Albanians, which is 500,000. Also some of the infomation here are definately false...

Please stick to the official numbers, I don't want to get into that discussion again. You can check anywhere... UN, State Department, CIA, EU.... they all show the same number.... 25%.

Why is it so hard to accept the official numbers!?
 

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Cool city...we Serbs fought some battle there once upon a time.

The Battle of Kumanovo was a major battle of the First Balkan War of 1912, during which Serbian forces under the command of Field Marshal Radomir Putnik crushed the Ottoman army of General Zekki.

The battle occurred north of Uskub, which is today known as Skopje, the modern capital of Macedonia. Although it was late October, the weather was unseasonably cold, which may have contributed to the defeat of ill-prepared Ottoman soldiers.

The battle effectively ended Ottoman rule in Europe, although isolated garrisons managed to hold out until the following spring.
Source: Wikipedia
 

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OhridBoy said:
I'm really getting pissed...I've only been for some days but these albanians need to stop with their propaganda..Kumanovo e makedonski grad and it's name is KUMANOVO
Please do not generalize. Most of us don't care how many Albanians are in Macedonia as long as their rights are respected, which Macedonia has done just fine and the Ohrid agreemnent was rightfully implemented. Macedonian efforts to build a multiethnic society were recognized by many international organization. Albania and Macedonia are now drawing the new face of the Balkans by setting new standards. There are of course isolated incidents and we should work into isolating them more and more. Macedonia and Albania have crucial common interests in infrastructure and economy.

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Please do not generalize. Most of us don't care how many Albanians are in Macedonia as long as their rights are respected, which Macedonia has done just fine and the Ohrid agreemnent was rightfully implemented. Macedonian efforts to build a multiethnic society were recognized by many international organization. Albania and Macedonia are now drawing the new face of the Balkans by setting new standards. There are of course isolated incidents and we should work into isolating them more and more. Macedonia and Albania have crucial common interests in infrastructure and economy.

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I second this... :cheers:
 

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hmm kumanova is like 40% I think...
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Before Macedonia became part of Yugoslavia, in 1944; western Macedonia was part of Albania. In this area, the Albanians are the original inhabitants. The Albanians are the second largest population group in Macedonia, after the Slavs-Macedonians. Other macedonian population groups include, the Turks, Vlasies, Roma and Bulgars. Approximately, 700,000 Albanians are living in Macedonia.
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You find me one map that shows western macedonia as part of Albania! And that doesnt include the brief one or two years during WW2 When Hitler and Musolini rewarded Albania with Western Macedonia and Bulgaria with central and eatern macedonia for taking the Nazi side.
Can you please stop offending other peoples national identity. There is no Slavic-macedonians, only MACEDONIANS... how would you like it if i called you a shiptar! trust me albanians in macedonia dont like macedonians calling them 'shiptar' or 'shiptari'
You may not be aware of this eagle_al, but the official census results clearly showed that Albanians in Macedonia 2002 were/are %25.17 <--and thats including the tens of thousands of turks, gypsies and macedonian muslims who have eather assimilated into the albanian majority in western macedonia or only write that they are albanian in the census to receive funding from albanian party's in macedonia.
One example is the town of Labunista near struga. In 1994 80% of its 9,000 inhabitants wrote that they are macedonians (of islamic faith) or turks, in 2002, 85% wrote that they are albanians! Funny thing is nobody in Labunista speaks albanian, they all speak macedonia.

eagle_al i dont have time to respond to all your provocations, but in short let me tell you that following WW2, 100,000 turks left macedonia to live in Turkey, coz TITO banned religion in ex-yugoslavia. No albanians left macedonia, but after these turks left in there place albanians from Kosovo settled those areas. Skopje used to be half turks half macedonians, barely any albanians.. the only albanians in macedonia who have been there for centuries and macedonia is their native country are the ones in Struga, Debar, Kicevo, Gostivar and parts of Tetovo. Most albanians in kumanovo, skopje and half of Tetovo came from Kosovo in the past 30years.

BTW djurob.... Kumanovo the city itself has about 25% albanians.... 40% is including those large albanian villages near kosovo border like Lipkovo, but those villages are no longer under municipality of Kumanovo, they have their own shire in Lipkovo which controls most albanian villages in that area.

Eagle_al you should be more like the other albanians in these forums, respect your neighbours! and they will show you respect in return.
 

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IlliricumSacrum said:
Please do not generalize. Most of us don't care how many Albanians are in Macedonia as long as their rights are respected, which Macedonia has done just fine and the Ohrid agreemnent was rightfully implemented. Macedonian efforts to build a multiethnic society were recognized by many international organization. Albania and Macedonia are now drawing the new face of the Balkans by setting new standards. There are of course isolated incidents and we should work into isolating them more and more. Macedonia and Albania have crucial common interests in infrastructure and economy.

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What kind of rights do the macedonians,serbs and greeks have in Albania?? What kind of rights do serbs and gypsies have in Kosovo i Metohija???
 

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none except for the fact that they are in our parliament and minister of health is greek.
 

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can i mention one last thing. this is amongst the best songs and the artist is amongst the favorites in Kosova

"Nuk Mund te te fal"

he's a gypsie by the way. his voice is magical and amazing.
 

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Ah, Kumanovo... Really ugly town, and I met on the sea one beautiful girl from Kumanovo, she was Serbian... and soooo pretty...uhhh , but so far away.

And, please , Albanian forumers, could you call places by their real names? Imagine if we put pictures of Drač- Durres, Vlora-Valona, Schkodra-Skadar! It is really not appropriate,

and it is NOT POLITE to call other cities by your own names, and especially overestimate the albanian population in those cities. It is not coviniant. No other peoples here on these forums do that!
 

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What kind of rights do the macedonians,serbs and greeks have in Albania?? What kind of rights do serbs and gypsies have in Kosovo i Metohija???
I can answer on the Republic of Albania,

you name it, they have it.

They all have the right to be educated in their language, on thier history and on their heritage. Conserving their heritage is promoted by special programes. Greeks and Macedonians have their own schools that are superior in terms of quality and equipment then schools where Albanians study. In Prespa, where most Macedonians live, you can hardly think you are in Albania because their flag and their national symbols are showed with no sign of Albanian symbols.

In all Greek minority areas, secondary and terciary streets have their names only in Greek, while primary streets have them both in Albanian and Greek.

They have the right to practice their own religion free from any form of presure and they have the right to celebrate whatever they want, however they want as long as it is peaceful.

They are represented in the Albanian parliament and in the Albanian government.

They have social, political and economical access to everything and they can be proud to be who they are whithout being faced with discrimination, violence or any other form of abuse because of their national identity.

They do not complain... so on what moral authority do you complain? There was non killed nor abused not discriminated for bbeing who they are in Albania and the stats show differently once you change the country.

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