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Georgia to Build City of Half a Million People on Black Sea
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Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email ...Georgia plans to build a city of half a million people on its Black Sea coast to promote business in the region and attract foreign investment.

The project, to be located near the breakaway republic of Abkhazia, will include a modern commercial and trade center as well as a port, presidential spokeswoman Manana Manjgaladze told reporters today in the capital, Tbilisi. Initial investment will total 1.5 billion lari ($900 million), with foreign investors and Georgians living abroad to provide further funds, President Mikheil Saakashvili said Dec. 4.

“We think the main residents will be villagers from the existing area and people who left Georgia and plan to return,” Manjgaladze said.

Georgia is seeking to buoy economic growth, which slowed to 4.7 percent from a year earlier in the second quarter from 5.8 percent in the first. Tbilisi is the nation’s biggest city with a population of more than 1 million.

Construction of the city, to be called Lazica, will start in 2012 and may take 10 years. The first buildings may appear as early as 2013. Abkhazia declared independence from Georgia after a war in the early 1990s that left hundreds of thousands displaced. Georgia considers it as part of its territory.

“These kinds of projects have been done from scratch worldwide, like in Brazil and Australia, and there’s no reason it won’t work here,” Michael Saunders, founder of Saunders Group Engineering and Agriculture, who advises on emerging- market engineering and agriculture projects, said today by phone from Tbilisi. “The Main problem would come down to management and marketing.”

Georgia’s National Investment Agency said this year that as many as 15 foreign companies were interested in taking part in construction of a Black Sea resort at Anaklia, which will include its own airport. Anaklia borders Poti, Georgia’s first free economic zone.

Anaklia is “the deepest natural port” in the Black Sea area and would provide “the shortest way from China to most European destinations,” Saakashvili said in a 2009 interview.
 

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I cannot understand why such projects are under consideration. There are two good cities – Poti and Zugdidi, Kutaisi is not far away. I rather prefer to see Poti and Zugdidi big and well built cities with population above 100 000. Cities have their own soul and it is the most precious, not just new buildings.
 

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I only agree for one part.
Offcourse every city had it own soal, but there is no need to be so conserfative on this issue. Every city was once built, and when they built the eifeltower everybody hated it but now it is a hotspot of the world.
When you are talking about Poti and Zugdidi you must take into considiration that, the main suburbs where built by the comuniststs so I don't have to tell you anyting about the poor infrastructure i'm not talking about roads, but about water and gas, it is much easier to build up a city than renovate a present city from 0. Offcourse Poti and Zugdidi must be rehabiliteded and they are working on it but if you have been in one of those cities you will understand that they will never become european cities unless you distroy it and built it up from not even 0 but -1.

Do we need a new city in Georgia ?
Yes offcourse Georgia population is +/- 4.500.000, 60 percent is urban and 40 percent is countryside. If you compare it to Europe let's take Holland there is 82 percent is urban. So the gap whit Europe is HUGE, and there let's face it in Georgian Villlages the only thing you can do is farm, and there is no chanse that farming can be done by 40 percent of the population. So we need more People in Cities whit knowledge of Financiale sector, toursime etc, etc,
Tbilisi 1.000.000
Lazika 500.000
Kutaisi 300.000
Batumi 200.000
zugdidi 100.000
Rustavi 100.000
Sokhumi 100.000
poti 50.000

looks good to me :D
 

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mainc ratom? romeli mxvili proeqti dagvpirdnen rac ar Seasrules ?
If state invests even 1Billion GEL, it implies USD 100 spent on 1sq.m. development for 500,000 people (with the minimal assumption of 15 sq.m. per resident) which is at least 10 times less compared to average development cost for various infrastructure is swamp area and residential space development costs (at least USD 400 per sq.m. will be needed just for residential space), thus real investment need exceeding GEL 10 Billion. More than 50% of the total will be basic infrastructure, which implies that State should invest at least GEL 5 Billion to create attractive pre-investment conditions for private investors. This is big sum, it roughly equals to west-east highway development cost. Then question is - is that Georgia's very top priority to concentrate such a huge investment in a single project? With this amount Georgia can finance international standards technical university development and creation of engineering and R & D institutions around it, or mainly solve agriculture modernization and food products import substitution. The risk is that money will be wasted and time lost. Such a big decisions require much more considerations and calculations.
 

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Let me give another example:
Bulgaria: 7 500 000population
Sofia: 1 200 000
Plovdiv : 300 000
Varna: 300 000
Burgas: 200 000
Ruse: 100 000
Stara Zagora: 100 000
Pleven: 100 000
And Bulgarian villages are almost empty. We even cannot imagine how the urbanization will go further.
I still think it is better for Georgia to have about 5-6 cities with population above 100 000. It turned out that the cities with population between 100 000 and 300 000 provide the optimum living conditions.
 

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sandrik, you got the georgian populations confused

Tbilisi = 1500000
Kutaisi = 230000
Batumi = 150000
Rustavi = 120000
Zugdidi = 100000
Gori = 70000
Poti = 50000
Sukhumi = 45000
 

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sandrik, you got the georgian populations confused

Tbilisi = 1500000
Kutaisi = 230000
Batumi = 150000
Rustavi = 120000
Zugdidi = 100000
Gori = 70000
Poti = 50000
Sukhumi = 45000
Yes brother, what I said was the Ideale population for every city in 10 years.
(in my opinion):cheers:
 

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rogorc axali tbilisis proeqtebi gamoachenes ert dges televizorshi ariqa axal ubans ashenebs mishao, da mere kide arc potoebi gavrcelebula im proeqtis shesakheb da arc araperi. axali qalaqi ara sle tyuilia esec.
 

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Too bad that so many people are negative about this project, this is the most progresive project in Georgia in maybe 500 years.
And the reason that there are no pictures of Axali tbilisi yet is that you need to have patiance. Why are there no official pictures of trumptower yet?
And I don't think that Trump is coming to Georgia in december because Misha paid him some pennies.

But oke, people who look whit a dark glasses can't see the sunshine. Just whait and see. First nobody believed that Sighnagi would become something, than nobody believed that Batumi would become something and so on, And till a couple of months before many did not believe that Anaklia would become something but there are allready 3 5 star hotels operaiting and two more will start operating next year.
So my friend Pluckzy the magic word is patience.
 

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Saakashvili touts the creation of new town

A newly constructed town by the name of Lazika will be built between the territories of Anaklia and Kulevi in the coastal region of Georgia, says Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili.

On Sunday, Saakashvili called on Internally Displaced Persons (IDP’s), emigrants and Georgian residents who have left the country, to return and contribute to the construction process.

“Half a million residents at a minimum will live in this town within 10 years,” he said, while visiting Zugdidi, in the Samegrelo region. Saakashvili forecasts that this new city will be the second largest town in Georgia after Tbilisi which is currently home to one-third of Georgia’s total population.

“We have already started negotiations with some large investment groups in Asia and Europe to invest in the construction [of the new town],” Saakashvili said.

Construction work on the town, which aims to become the main business center in western Georgia and a key city on the Black Sea coast, is expected to commence next year.

Many ordinary Georgians have been skeptical towards the initiative, with many complaining on the social networking site Facebook that the government should focus on more important challenges like unemployment, people with limited abilities and other problems within the community.

However, the government links the construction of the town with social benefits. According to Saakashvili, thousands of jobs will be created as a result of the project.

By Nino Edilashvili
8.12.2011
http://www.georgiatoday.ge/article_details.php?id=9706
 

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It is really crazy impossible project! It's better to develop Batumi, Poti, Anaklia..Georgian sea coast is 310km with Abkhazia. And There is already enough cities an towns I think.
About 500 000 people...wtf?? Georgia lost 1 mln people for the last 20 years..some cities and towns lost 50% of it's population. Now population grows, I know, and I hope it will continue to grow faster,but it's impossible to find 500 000 people for new city. So, it's very very crazy needless idea for now..
 

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Why will Saaka name this new town Lazika? What is the meaning of this word?

wikipedia said:
Lazica or Egrisi was a region and kingdom in the western part of modern-day Georgia, named after the Laz tribe, which at some time dominated the local ruling élite.

The kingdom flourished between the 6th century BC and the 7th century AD. It covered part of the territory of the former kingdom Colchis and subjugated the territory of modern day Abkhazia. Throughout its existence it was mainly a Byzantine strategic vassal kingdom occasionally coming under the Sassanid Persian rule.
And there is also laz people(kartvelian nation), who now live in Turkey
 

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New City on the Black Sea: But Who Will Live There?
By Messenger Staff
Friday, December 9
Some days ago President Saakashvili announced publicly that from next year the construction of a new city under the name of Lazika will start on the Black Sea coast of Georgia between Anaklia and Kulevi. He announced this news as a decided and endorsed decision not as a hypothesis but as a firm reality. So far nobody around his government has given any figures or research by solid bodies or recommendations of any urban planning institutions either inside the country or outside which would confirm that this decision has been taken as a result of calculated considerations or plans. No feasibility study has been provided or even mentioned to be under consideration. Independent analysts and the opposition spectrum are very critical towards this initiative. They claim that all such decisions should be based on serious economic calculations, assessing the potential of the country, its needs and reality.

The president's people on the other hand unanimously support this decision. They take the words of the president as granted and accuse the opposition of a lack of imagination, repeating that the president’s enthusiasm is based on deep thought, evaluations and results of serious consideration.

Representatives of different branches of the sciences such as economy, geography, climatology, environmental studies, and demography pose their own questions. The questions vary, starting from the financial potential of the country and its ability to attract extra resources and investments for this project to ecological safety and the capability of the country to accommodate another port on top of Batumi and Poti ports and the Supsa and Kulevi terminals. Presumably, the new city, as Saakashvili promised, will have a developed port and appropriate facilities. Analysts ask questions which are not so far answered but only returned back as accusations of a lack of the vision of the prospective developments of the country.

Architects and urban settlement specialists are asking the question - what will come first, commercial or residential facilities? What kind of settlement will be designed? As the president promised around half a million people will be settled there. The settlement of half a million people needs a very serious design of appropriate infrastructure - starting from streets and utilities to kindergartens, schools, hospitals and other institutions absolutely necessary for any kind of settlement.

What kind of enterprises will be build there? The neighbouring free industrial zone of Poti is stuck in a rut and so far is not moving forward and has given no significant yield to the Georgian economy. Another issue is finance which should be mobilized to implement this project. Many complain that instead of thinking about building new cities and towns the ruling administration should rather better care for the existing towns and villages and population there. The country is involved in several fundamental projects simultaneously, it is building tourist infrastructure throughout the country, constructing facilities hosting the parliament and government in Kutaisi, building and reconstructing motorways east to west, settling and accommodating IDPs countrywide, reconstructing districts in Tbilisi, and this is not to mention the everyday problems of governance around the country.

Very acute problems also could become demographic issues, who will settle in this city of dreams? Firstly, we should look at this from the real figures of inhabitants of Georgia. The figure of how many people live in Georgia differs very much from one another. According to the last census carried out during the Soviet regime in the last century, Georgia had a population of 5.5 mln but much has changed since then. Officially, the Georgian administration claims that there are around 4.5 mln people in Georgia, unofficial information gives other figures. Some analysts suggest that at the moment there are no more than 3.5 mln people in Georgia. Though officials ignore those figures, no realistic figures based on census are available so far. One thing is for certain however, many Georgian citizens are spread around the world in different countries, mostly in the former Soviet Union republics, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and so on. There are serious numbers of Georgians in Greece, Italy, Germany, Holland, the US and elsewhere. Exact numbers of those people are unknown, specialists in demography recently confirmed that today Georgia is experiencing negative growth in terms of the population. That is to say, the population is decreasing and over time the nation will be threatened with disappearing.

So the question appears again, who is the targeted population for the new city of Lazika suggested by the president. Georgians, Chinese, Arabs, Turks, Iranians, who? This should also be very thoroughly calculated, investigated and answered.
http://www.messenger.com.ge/issues/2502_december_9_2011/2502_edit.html
 

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I did not know that Shalva Natelashvili or Bidzina Ivanishvili where Journelists at Messenger.com

Come on! this articale is based on a opinion of writer. It does consist 0,0 facts or confirmed information.
As I said before, if you keep looking whit dark glasses you won't see the sunshine. Look at Batumi and Anaklia.
I bet that this article is written by a journalist who is frustrated because in the last polls Bidina has no more than 18%, and soon he will be back S*cking Put-in's Vitals.
 

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How can't u guess why this project is planed.. there are many Laz people in Turkey, also many Georgians live abroad.. with this project it may be possible to bring them back to Georgia, with the other foreigners who would like to live in Georgia,(like boars, for instance) and there will be many i guess.. This project not only will create a new city, it will help Georgian population to be Grown up to 6-7 millions in 10 years and get stronger as a country.
 
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