Hmm... legalizing gambling is not an easy task. Casino would become a social burden to the city as crime rates may rise, though it brings huge revenue to the city. And after legalizing gambling, how many licenses are to be issued to casinos? The competitions for gambling license might worsen the corruption level. Malaysia's only casino is built on a mountain about an hour drive from the city so KL does not feel the burden of casino-related crime. So i think it's a good idea to have it built further away from the city.
Legalizing gambling ?
I was thinking this could be a good topic to discuss. Gambling do exist in Jakarta, and other part of Indonesia, despite strong rejection from some groups of people.
What do you guys think about it?
tata
'Legalizing gambling will up city revenue'
Former Jakarta governor Ali Sadikin wants the Sutiyoso administration to adopt the policy he implemented in the 1970s legalizing gambling and prostitution, arguing it would make the capital more attractive and prosperous. He said the huge amount of money earned from the lotteries and casinos of the day was used to finance development projects in the city. The Jakarta Post asked residents their opinion on the issue.
Rissalwan, 26, is a post graduate student of social development studies at University of Indonesia; he is also a lecturer at the university. He lives in Depok:
I support the idea of making gambling legal in the capital. It would make it easy to control, just like drug use in the Netherlands.
The current situation is like a war with invisible enemies: gambling activities take place everywhere but we never know exactly where and how.
The legalization of gambling by limiting it to one particular place would bring tax revenue to the city.
I think the most important thing to consider is that the chosen location has to be far from the city, on an island or in the hills somewhere. They can put gambling centers and prostitution houses together.
Aji, 29, is a security guard for a company in Blok M, South Jakarta. He lives in Pademangan subdistrict, Tangerang:
Frankly, I do gamble, but only small bets. It's something we do just to kill the time with my friends on the train from home to Blok M.
I like Bang Ali's idea of legalizing gambling which is, actually, practiced in all corners of the city.
Some gambling places are even guarded by hired police officers.
If gambling is relocated to a certain area, the government would get additional revenue. But of course, we don't want to see that money fall into the hands of a few officials only. It must be used to help poor people like me.
By the way, where will the gambling center be located? Can I come and play?
What do you guys think about it?
tata
'Legalizing gambling will up city revenue'
Former Jakarta governor Ali Sadikin wants the Sutiyoso administration to adopt the policy he implemented in the 1970s legalizing gambling and prostitution, arguing it would make the capital more attractive and prosperous. He said the huge amount of money earned from the lotteries and casinos of the day was used to finance development projects in the city. The Jakarta Post asked residents their opinion on the issue.
Rissalwan, 26, is a post graduate student of social development studies at University of Indonesia; he is also a lecturer at the university. He lives in Depok:
I support the idea of making gambling legal in the capital. It would make it easy to control, just like drug use in the Netherlands.
The current situation is like a war with invisible enemies: gambling activities take place everywhere but we never know exactly where and how.
The legalization of gambling by limiting it to one particular place would bring tax revenue to the city.
I think the most important thing to consider is that the chosen location has to be far from the city, on an island or in the hills somewhere. They can put gambling centers and prostitution houses together.
Aji, 29, is a security guard for a company in Blok M, South Jakarta. He lives in Pademangan subdistrict, Tangerang:
Frankly, I do gamble, but only small bets. It's something we do just to kill the time with my friends on the train from home to Blok M.
I like Bang Ali's idea of legalizing gambling which is, actually, practiced in all corners of the city.
Some gambling places are even guarded by hired police officers.
If gambling is relocated to a certain area, the government would get additional revenue. But of course, we don't want to see that money fall into the hands of a few officials only. It must be used to help poor people like me.
By the way, where will the gambling center be located? Can I come and play?
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Few years ago there was an idea to build casino in Thousand Island but never realized due to lack of support from people. For me it's not clear if gambling is illegal in Jakarta since practically we see gambling in some places.Lastresorter said:Hmm... legalizing gambling is not an easy task. Casino would become a social burden to the city as crime rates may rise, though it brings huge revenue to the city. And after legalizing gambling, how many licenses are to be issued to casinos? The competitions for gambling license might worsen the corruption level. Malaysia's only casino is built on a mountain about an hour drive from the city so KL does not feel the burden of casino-related crime. So i think it's a good idea to have it built further away from the city.
Quite funny though when the lecturer from UI said 'gambling activities take place everywhere but we never know exactly where and how'. Because, if we want, we can easily find them.
About casino in Malaysia, is it in the continent or on remote island? Just once went to Malaysia so I don't know it well.
Gambling has its problems. Mainly, that it drives people into debt while further enhancing the wealth divide between the rich and the poor. It seems like something that shouldn't be discussed at a time when the Jakarta government is converting a southern town with Muslims, Christians, and Hindus into a pure Muslim center while evicting those of other religions. When there is such fundamentalism, how can they talk about gambling? Oh yeah, it's about money.
AgreeYamauchi said:Gambling has its problems. Mainly, that it drives people into debt while further enhancing the wealth divide between the rich and the poor.
really? what's the name of that southern town?Yamauchi said:It seems like something that shouldn't be discussed at a time when the Jakarta government is converting a southern town with Muslims, Christians, and Hindus into a pure Muslim center while evicting those of other religions.
the government must choose what to do. Ban gambling, then take action to those gambling. Or legalize it.Yamauchi said:When there is such fundamentalism, how can they talk about gambling? Oh yeah, it's about money.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailcity.asp?fileid=20050314.G01&irec=0
I guess there has been some developments as of late that have changed my conclusion. They will not be evicted. Rather, citizens of the subdistrict will have to embrace the Betawi Islamic culture or face imprisonment/fines. That means they will voluntarily be leaving.
I guess there has been some developments as of late that have changed my conclusion. They will not be evicted. Rather, citizens of the subdistrict will have to embrace the Betawi Islamic culture or face imprisonment/fines. That means they will voluntarily be leaving.
That is such a shame...Yamauchi said:http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailcity.asp?fileid=20050314.G01&irec=0
I guess there has been some developments as of late that have changed my conclusion. They will not be evicted. Rather, citizens of the subdistrict will have to embrace the Betawi Islamic culture or face imprisonment/fines. That means they will voluntarily be leaving.
I take comfort in the fact that GOLKAR and PDIP - the two biggest (and secular) parties in the national level, but much smaller in the Jakarta level - opposed it.
I read an article in an online newspaper where some legislators are protesting against this idea of a "Betawi Islamic" village. They wanted the word "Islamic" to be taken out, because many Betawis embraces different religions. I hope eventually they'll take out the religious nature of this "Betawi" Village.
That is ridiculous. Nobody, and I mean nobody, should be forced to change their religions. It is against everthing the Qur'an said. THis people don't understand the religion. Second, nobody should be discriminated based on their ethnic group. All Indonesian should be allowed to live anywhere they wan't to. This is not apartheid South Africa. There should be no compromise to this ideals. Somebody must bring this discriminatory legislation before the court.
On the topic:
I'm a little torn about this. On the one hand, by legalizaing it, we can controll the practice and tax it. THen, like a lot of opeople have said, it will further plunge the poor into more debt. You solve one problem, but you also exaberate the problem of the poor dealing with the loan sharks. So, in conclusion, I have no idea.
I'm a little torn about this. On the one hand, by legalizaing it, we can controll the practice and tax it. THen, like a lot of opeople have said, it will further plunge the poor into more debt. You solve one problem, but you also exaberate the problem of the poor dealing with the loan sharks. So, in conclusion, I have no idea.
I agree with you, Ara. No form of discrimination should be tolerated.
On the gambling issue, I am personally neutral about it. I think legalized gambling has its own vices and virtues. I don't think the argument about the poor getting poorer is substantial, because legalized casinos can be required to be somewhat high-class, therefore effectively shutting off the "poor people" from access to gambling. One way is maybe implement a rule of minimum cash to be converted into chips upon entering the casino.
I heard in Genting, Malaysia, Malays are not allowed into the casino. I dont know if it's true, but I personally think that this policy is discriminatory. Even if the argument is that they don't want Muslims to gamble, what makes them so sure that Malay person is not a Christian /Buddhist /etc.?
The biggest problem I see arising from legalized gambling in Jakarta is rising street crime. People walking in and out of casinos with loads of money are soft prey for thiefs and robbers.
On the gambling issue, I am personally neutral about it. I think legalized gambling has its own vices and virtues. I don't think the argument about the poor getting poorer is substantial, because legalized casinos can be required to be somewhat high-class, therefore effectively shutting off the "poor people" from access to gambling. One way is maybe implement a rule of minimum cash to be converted into chips upon entering the casino.
I heard in Genting, Malaysia, Malays are not allowed into the casino. I dont know if it's true, but I personally think that this policy is discriminatory. Even if the argument is that they don't want Muslims to gamble, what makes them so sure that Malay person is not a Christian /Buddhist /etc.?
The biggest problem I see arising from legalized gambling in Jakarta is rising street crime. People walking in and out of casinos with loads of money are soft prey for thiefs and robbers.
I think they should legalize gambling. Its not as if Jakarta is safe without it (I can't think of any other major city that has as bad a crime rate as Jakarta has it). By localizing it, we can control it. Now, gamblings are everywhere, but the goverment turns a blind eye.
"The biggest problem I see arising from legalized gambling in Jakarta is rising street crime. People walking in and out of casinos with loads of money are soft prey for thiefs and robbers."
How is this any different from people leaving banks?
"The biggest problem I see arising from legalized gambling in Jakarta is rising street crime. People walking in and out of casinos with loads of money are soft prey for thiefs and robbers."
How is this any different from people leaving banks?
I agree with legalising gambling , with the condition that the funds generated are used transparently and for public services such as health, education and TRANSPORTATION. This was how Ali Sadikin - famous governor of Jakarta in the 70s - built toll roads...
since we all know it exists anyway (be it legal or illegal), might as well make money out of it for the greater public good.
since we all know it exists anyway (be it legal or illegal), might as well make money out of it for the greater public good.
I'm personally not concerned about this at all...people who gamble must be responsible for the own safety and wellbeing...it doesn't concern the public interest. Besides, we all know that gambling exists anyway, who's to say that more people will gamble just because it's legalised?? the answer is, the legalisation of gambling is unlikely to 'attract' new-comers to the habit...especially if it is located in some remote area such as , say the Thousand Islands.Fir3blaze said:The biggest problem I see arising from legalized gambling in Jakarta is rising street crime. People walking in and out of casinos with loads of money are soft prey for thiefs and robbers.
I always think about it in terms of its overall effect to the economy. Sure , some irresponsible individuals (newly drawn to the "sport") may be "victimised" , but if the new funds are used for the greater good of the public, then I think it is worth it.Ara said:On the topic:
I'm a little torn about this. On the one hand, by legalizaing it, we can controll the practice and tax it. THen, like a lot of opeople have said, it will further plunge the poor into more debt. You solve one problem, but you also exaberate the problem of the poor dealing with the loan sharks. So, in conclusion, I have no idea.
I still remember in '80s we had SDSB lottery (like LOTO in other country) that's gambling as well. If I'm not mistaken the Social Department manged the fund collected from it.
I agree that those who gamble must be responsible for their own safety of course. That's no problem for Jakarta's seasones gamblers, who are used to doing this. But what about Japanese / Hong Kong tourists who just wanna come in and gamble for a few hours? I don't think they'd like it to see some other tourists shot dead in front of casinos (or at the ferry point going to thousand islands and robbed (which often happen to bank customers in front of banks). Tourists will be scared stiff seeing such things happen. Surely then this will raise public interest concerns?Alvin said:I'm personally not concerned about this at all...people who gamble must be responsible for the own safety and wellbeing...it doesn't concern the public interest. Besides, we all know that gambling exists anyway, who's to say that more people will gamble just because it's legalised?? the answer is, the legalisation of gambling is unlikely to 'attract' new-comers to the habit...especially if it is located in some remote area such as , say the Thousand Islands.
Pardon me for not making this clear, when i said rising street crime i meant it in areas close to the casino.
I quite liked the idea of SDSB.
What if the decision of legalizing or not left to the provincial instead of central government. The situation from province to province I guess is not the same. Bali I believe is more ready opening casino than West Sumatra for instance.
tata said:About casino in Malaysia, is it in the continent or on remote island? Just once went to Malaysia so I don't know it well.
The only casino in Malaysia is placed in Genting Highlands (in the Peninsula)... famous for its mountain situated in the clouds... a hot tourist destination about an hour drive from KL city.
This policy is not really discrimanatory lar if you are a Malaysian citizen. ALL Malays in Malaysia are Muslims and Muslims in Malaysia are bound by Syariah Law (Islamic Law) aside from the secular law, which forbid them to gamble. Depends on how you see it larFir3blaze said:I heard in Genting, Malaysia, Malays are not allowed into the casino. I dont know if it's true, but I personally think that this policy is discriminatory. Even if the argument is that they don't want Muslims to gamble, what makes them so sure that Malay person is not a Christian /Buddhist /etc.?
However, I'm not so sure bout Malays from other parts of the world like Singapore...Genting Highlands is situated in between Pahang State and Selangor State. Few years back Pahang state was at risk of falling into PAS during election, and PAS was the biggest opposition party at that time and is a hardcore Islamic party. Seeing that the casino (on Pahang's territory) might be forced to close down if PAS rule over Pahang, Genting actually built a new casino on Selangor's territory, which is secured from PAS. So in actual fact, there's only 1 gambling license but 2 casinos in Malaysia
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