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I don’t comment often, obviously it will look good driving from the ring road but I hate the designs. They’re awful. The night picture looks good but most tall buildings do with lights on by default. I guess fridge city is all we will ever be able to strive for. I’d rather have the international pool back in its place. Or even bare ground car park currently. Architecture clearly doesn’t exist anymore in Leeds. Not even a decent facade to mask the poor design inside the buildings. The proposal looks like a basic hotel you’d stay in on a holiday in Spain or any kind of beach resort. Manchester is really laughing at us I’m sure. Or even just unaware or bothered bout what Leeds is doing construction wise

 

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It’s not necessarily the white, it’s the buildings themselves. It’s just not good enough after all this time. There’s few key sites in city centre that have opportunity to have something original or iconic that can be associated with leeds. Yorkshire post site failed n now this...

 

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If that’s the case why in past did we have such promising tall buildings in planning? With lumiere and criterion place? It was much smaller in size also. You can be creative in the design and shape of a building without huge costs. I’m not expecting the the shard. Just more creativity than a box with a slight octagonal shape either side. I’m not even wanting a full on glass building. Just more creativity

Standard Leeds mentality. Simultaneously having incredibly high expectations about what "should" be happening in the city, and then a kind of self-loathing when those unrealistic expectations aren't realised.

It's a snowball effect. The city needs to grow in size and profile, which includes a lot of "only okay" development, before it gets to the position where genuinely impressive developments can occur.

 

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Iconic and landmark buildings totally meaningless in Leeds yes. I don’t think they know what the words mean to be honest. We’re gonna run out of good plots by the time we get to have an amazing visually appealing skyscraper. Do we really need them to be along kirkstall road? Broadcasting tower is the perfect example of creating something cool and different to the run of mill box. I mean even bridgewater place although hated by many is more creative than present offerings. I personally like it however cumbersome it may be seem

If we're waiting for every development in Leeds to be 'iconic' then quite frankly these plots of land are going to remain undeveloped for years and years. No developer is going to build anything like Criterion Place in Leeds in the foreseeable future.

Honestly, I'd be a happy man if I never saw or heard the word 'iconic' again. Utterly meaningless word.

 

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Lol. YEP is irrelevant. Don’t get me started on that site n current faux brick frump of a building

It’s not a stretch to say that the failure of Lumiere and to a lesser extent Criterion led to the current scenario in which the YEP-reading classes have been angrily sceptical to the point of aneurism about any high-rise development ever since.

Subliving.

 

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I’m not hanging onto this past opportunities. I’m using them as examples. We were ready for lumiere. It got as far as piling as we all know

I think you need to get over something that was proposed 15 years ago and was never actually built. You could argue that Criterion Place was an extravagant folly that Leeds wasn't ready for, certainly not back then.

 

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I agree keep the tone white. This change makes it look out of place. Totally uneccessary and more ugly than previously

 

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I’d rather all dark grey cladding or all white cladding on the main 2 buildings. The lower buildings are fine as they are. I still think more can be done in quality for this significant site . For once this really is a landmark site and once in lifetime opportunity for something better

 

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Everyone will have a different opinion but looking at the two images the darker cladding does integrate better with other buildings when viewed from Park Square. All white is a bit too stark. I also feel the 2 tone cladding allows the building to be read better as two distinct parts.

It doesn’t integrate at all with with the buildings at park square because they are high quality examples of real brickwork in architecture. I mean the detailing on St. Paul’s house just can’t be matched with prefabricated tacky looking towers. Either stick to high quality brick clad designs with actual detail like one of the lower rise buildings in the proposal or go completely contrast to park square and go for high quality modern skyscraper. Simple as that

 

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Everyone will have a different opinion but looking at the two images the darker cladding does integrate better with other buildings when viewed from Park Square. All white is a bit too stark. I also feel the 2 tone cladding allows the building to be read better as two distinct parts.

A tweak I’d make would be to have a more distinct roof line on the top section, maybe arched somehow.

Something like this

 

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Everyone will have a different opinion but looking at the two images the darker cladding does integrate better with other buildings when viewed from Park Square. All white is a bit too stark. I also feel the 2 tone cladding allows the building to be read better as two distinct parts.

A tweak I’d make would be to have a more distinct roof line on the top section, maybe arched somehow.

Yeh I agree with the arched at the top. Small details that completely change for better. Or something like this in comparison

 

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Is it two tone? or is the smaller building (darker tone) just in front of the taller building (which is staying in white?)

It’s two tones. One white one brownish

 

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It's a bit silly from a Leeds perspective because we're not York or Oxford - we don't have a historical skyline to preserve or protect. As mentioned you can already see Altus House from Park Square.

I'd expect 70 year old grannies on Facebook to kick up a fuss about this sort of thing tbh.

It’s not that the building is visible. It’s the quality of it

 

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Who are the Architects for this? Could do with swapping them with Simpson n haugh or fielded cregg

 

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😆 fielden clegg…

 

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I’ve just checked. It’s DLA Architecture in Leeds. They have another example of 2 tones similar to this attempt

 

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As long as it’s a decent tall building then all is good

 

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Theres Brotherton House, INC, the Mclaren office, Wellington Place 2nd phase, YP site 2nd phase all within a stones throw. Thats not including the numerous sites the other side of the IRR ripe for development, of which there must be at least 10 with the casinos, car parks and various low rise buildings. There is so much development opportunity in this part of Leeds, but something needs to happen.

We aren't going to get a 125-150m glass tower when there is nothing else around it, those days are gone for me imo. Leeds and to some degree Manchester, is only seeing top end developments in already established parts of the city.

Yeh I’m curious to see which of those developments are high end developments? Is INC actually happening ? I’m not convinced in YP phase 2 as phase 1 is a horrendous clunk. I do like mclaren building. Interesting to see what they do with brotherton house. I do feel just 1 high quality glass tower at LCC’s favourite height of 33 Would do nicely though. Space is running out in the city boundaries with many many many… brick clad blocks

 

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I may be amateur in my opinion, but would it not look better if the balcony sides of building were all glass right up until the the main side of the building? Regardless whether it’s white or purple cladding on main block of the structure? Maybe @Arch Wright could show this in a visual..? Hi by the way 😀

 

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yeah, at least the INC render was up there with previous incredible proposals like Criterion Place, Lumiere, Millgarth etc. It looked world class but even somewhere like Chicago would probably have trouble actually building it

I forgot about milgarth