Seen this in yesterday's Times: " On Wednesday High Speed Two,a government backed company of engineers and experts who have drawn up the proposals, will give their report to Lord Adonis. Its preferred option is for a line runnning from west london,stopping at Heathrow airport before heading through Buckinghamshire and the Chilterns where it will divide. One branch will run west of the pennines to Manchester,Glasgow and Edinburgh,the other will run northeast to Sheffield,Leeds and Newcastle." So that means Liverpool will be major city north of the capital not on the line. If it can fork off to go to both Glasgow and Edinburgh , a spur can built to Liverpool, the lobbying should start now not in 10 years when line is starting be built.