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Thought it might be interesting to raise this on the day after Labour cut into the Bradley's Lib-Dems.

Labour are saying they'll retake overall control of the city for 2008. Lib Dems still have a workable majority..for now.

Regardless of party allegiences, and I'm no Lib-Dem, would a period of fractious uncertainty within Town Hall be helpful to the city?

I think, whatever the respective merits of either party, at this crucial jucture in the city's future development we need continuity at the helm so the speak, and that that leadership needs to be able to forge through it's reforms and ideas without having to dilute, prevaricate or waver. I can't see a new regime taking over halfway through 08, probably with weak majority, having anything other than a detrimental effect to the city's focus...again.

I may be wrong here but I quite like Bradley and I'd like to see him have a couple of years to take on the quangos if nothing else.
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Yeah, Labour have taken a few seats and they have for the last few elections.

They are edging back in Liverpool but it's by no means certain they'll get in again in the next few years - but they might.

Under the leadership of Bonehead Anderson, I think that, if they do get in, it could be very worrying for the city. Labour's relative success recently seems to be much to do with natural tiredness with party that's been in power for almost a decade, plus some of the fall out from the Henshaw/Storey thing.

I don't get the impression that the Labour party in Liverpool is fit for power yet. Whenever you get one of them quoted in the Echo or interviewed they still come across as the sort of third-rate, incompetants they were under Prendergast. It would be a tragedy if the Lib Dems difficulties allowed a crew who'd do much, much worse if they were in power, benefit.

Liverpool Labour seemed to have finally gotten the act together - or had it sorted out for them by Labour regional HQ - when they got Gideon Ben Tovim as their leader, an intelligent, educated (not always necessary, but hardly a hindrance) and articulate man.

Before long, Anderson's cronies had pulled off an internal putsch, kicked out Ben Tovim and installed Bonehead as their leader, with predictable consquences for their party's effectiveness. I fear that if Bonehead's version of Labour get back in, we'll see a return to the useless, corrupt, ineffective and crass (Bet Lynch cultural ambassador :eek:hno:) politics that held the city back for years.

Bradley seems to have the right ideas and deserves more time.

Anyone who heard the debate between Bradley and Bonehead on Roger Philips show not long ago will know what I'm talking about. Bonehead doesn't have the maturity intelligence, tact or gravitas to be representing a great city to the rest of the country and beyond.


I hope that the people of Liverpool have the intelligence to realise this in coming years.
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Yeah, Labour have taken a few seats and they have for the last few elections.

They are edging back in Liverpool but it's by no means certain they'll get in again in the next few years - but they might.

Under the leadership of Bonehead Anderson, I think that, if they do get in, it could be very worrying for the city. Labour's relative success recently seems to be much to do with natural tiredness with party that's been in power for almost a decade, plus some of the fall out from the Henshaw/Storey thing.

I don't get the impression that the Labour party in Liverpool is fit for power yet. Whenever you get one of them quoted in the Echo or interviewed they still come across as the sort of third-rate, incompetants they were under Prendergast. It would be a tragedy if the Lib Dems difficulties allowed a crew who'd do much, much worse if they were in power, benefit.

Liverpool Labour seemed to have finally gotten the act together - or had it sorted out for them by Labour regional HQ - when they got Gideon Ben Tovim as their leader, an intelligent, educated (not always necessary, but hardly a hindrance) and articulate man.

Before long, Anderson's cronies had pulled off an internal putsch, kicked out Ben Tovim and installed Bonehead as their leader, with predictable consquences for their party's effectiveness. I fear that if Bonehead's version of Labour get back in, we'll see a return to the useless, corrupt, ineffective and crass (Bet Lynch cultural ambassador :eek:hno:) politics that held the city back for years.

Bradley seems to have the right ideas and deserves more time.

Anyone who heard the debate between Bradley and Bonehead on Roger Philips show not long ago will know what I'm talking about. Bonehead doesn't have the maturity intelligence, tact or gravitas to be representing a great city to the rest of the country and beyond.


I hope that the people of Liverpool have the intelligence to realise this in coming years.
Firstly it's funny to see the city buck the national trend.I agree about Andersen but Bradley is only marginally better and as for Ben Tovim, the man can Stephen Hawking's intellectual superior but he's about as Labour as Frank Field.The Labour Party is a broad church if you happen to be on the right.The people of Liverpool vote overwhelming Labour in the national elections,locally people are more apathetic and cynical. As for crass ,insular parochial the Lib-Dems take some beating, who granted the freedom of the city to Granada TV, A FUCKING DISGRACE to the people of this city. As for public standards in office,Mike Storey had to resign. You have a slightly selective memory Awayo.
The freedom of liverpool to granada affair was weird, i know. baffling in fact.
In local elections people are naturally much more insular in their thinking and voting. They want to know who'll serve their area the best. I voted Lib Dems because I didn't like our Labour candidate and becasue the Lim Dems have achieved some good stuff in our area which labour wouldn't have. Also, the local labour candidate centred most of his campaign around freeing Micheal Shields, so he lost my vote right up.

Overall I'm glad that the council is becoming more ballanced, but would like to see the actual power remain with Lib Dems for a while and see if they can pull off 2008. If they can then there's hope for them yet, if not it'll be the final nail in the coffin.
Leave your hat on and take your coat with you......

What we don`t need is back sliding but constant steady progress in the investment and rebuilding and not some luny manifesto related to political hype, the likes of which we have had all too many times before from all political parties.....and self interest groups.
Couldn't find any other more relevant thread, but one of your hobby horses..

Brown is getting rid of the NWRA, and massively scaling back the NWDA, with the hope to get rid of it atogether.

Not sure if mentioned on here before, but it's been in the local papers over here - almost without exception it has been hugely welcomed.

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=north+west+regional+assembly
Read again Kurt. The regional assemblies are being mercyfully put down but the RDAs are being "beefed up", ie, absorbing any of the functions of the regional assemblies. There is a hopeful promise that the RDAs will themselves devolve more spending decisions to local authorities than they do right now, but we'll see about that.

Bullshit "North West" regionalism is here to stay. I don't know what you're complaining about, one way or another, Manchester makes its entire living out of it.
The ambulance service was recently 'regionalised', the fire service will soon follow suit. Many agencies are under intense pressure to regionalise their structures to reflect the statist structures prefered by this government. The fact that they are getting rid of the psuedo-democratic part of the whole wankfest shows just how autocratic thye are.. the 'regional agenda' progresses unmolested!


Remember the big danger for Manchester in the whole proposal (and the main reason your brightest over there are also against it) is that it dictates and limits Manchester's role to that of regional capital.... only. No European pre-eminence, no global city aspirations, just 'regional capital'... dictating what goes on in this shitty part of the world, but anything of real significance still being firmly rooted in the London/Brussels axis!

With all metropolitan structures being abolished.. and no regional role/control/presence in Liverpool... this means....what?... for our city!
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Tony's got it. Regionalism is going from strength to strength. All that's happening is that the regional project's democratic figleaf - the regional assembly - is being done away with.
Good thread VT and thanks to the posters. Tony Sebo actually wrote plain English in his post:cheers:
it was the 'wankfest' useage that caused it all to make sense I bet! :cheers:
There may be trouble ahead!

May not be the right thread to post this? today's DP, Cllr Millea's quote is class

"Our job is to make sure Liverpool succeeds-it's not up to us to support and carry on funding an organisation that to some extent is doing us in"

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk.../21/leaders-target-key-quango-64375-19488671/


In another article chairman of TMP, Roy Morris says that it accepts that more needed to be done about attracting inward investment which is why it was setting up the Single Investment Agency embedded within TMP.

Brilliant move Roy, at a time when LCC is merging quangos in order to simplify the process of promoting Liverpool you go and set up an agency within an agency!! so we're all singing from the same hymn sheet then. I wonder how long the newly appointed CEO of TMP, Lorraine Rogers, will survive in this increasingly out of touch agency, scrap TMP now.
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May not be the right thread to post this? today's DP, Cllr Millea's quote is class

"Our job is to make sure Liverpool succeeds-it's not up to us to support and carry on funding an organisation that to some extent is doing us in"

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk.../21/leaders-target-key-quango-64375-19488671/


In another article chairman of TMP, Roy Morris says that it accepts that more needed to be done about attracting inward investment which is why it was setting up the Single Investment Agency embedded within TMP.

Brilliant move Roy, at a time when LCC is merging quangos in order to simplify the process of promoting Liverpool you go and set up an agency within an agency!! so we're all singing from the same hymn sheet then. I wonder how long the newly appointed CEO of TMP, Lorraine Rogers, will survive in this increasingly out of touch agency, scrap TMP now.
Things need clearing up.
Is the soon to be formed 'Liverpool City Region' a part of 'Greater Merseyside' or is 'Greater Merseyside' a part of the larger 'Liverpool City Region'?

It's all very confusing.
Myself, I would get rid of all organizations with 'Mersey' in them,let's promote Liverpool.
After all, most politicians in the region seem to have accepted that 'Liverpool' is the brand name that should be used.
We can't promote one and still use the other.
I was browsing the Merseymart and came across this letter that I just had to share -

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The only people to blame for the cancellation of the Mathew Street Festival and the millions of pounds squandered by the Lib-Dems are the idiotic people in this city who keep voting the morons in. I took my granddaughter to the Pier Head last week and I was totally flabbergasted. It was nothing but a building site - where has the waterfront gone? Unless your travel down towards Otterspool we don't have one.

The Lib-dems have brought shame on this city, made a laughing stock of Liverpool and can anybody answer the quuestion: Why is all the money being spent on the south end of the city? What about the north end? Come 2008 what do they plan on doing with the parts of the city they haven't tarted up? I don't think barricading us in will work.

New pavements and the odd sports centre don't wash with me because that's all we have had. Derek Hatton had his faults but for God's sake somebody bring him back because this lot couldn't organise a chimps tea party.

Mrs P Allan - Walton

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Have to say it certainly raised a smile with me this morning. How one person can be so immature, mis-informed, over-exaggerating, ungrateful, and downright crazy in a single letter is really quite funny. The fact that she has managed to tell the entire city that she thinks Derek Hatton was good for the city (he helped bring Liverpool to it's knees) is also quite amusing.
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^^

That's scary, but we all know there are people in this city who are clueless about regeneration in the city, C.o.C, politics, and how things work in general.

They probably just heared how Degsy built semis for the people in the city centre, and not about running all the other services down to pay for it.
Typical Roger Phillips exchange

Caller: "I think it's terrible the way that Warren Bradley is spending all of the culture money from Europe on flats in town for yuppies and not where I live".

Roger: "Where do you live?"

Caller: "Halewood."
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That's scary, but we all know there are people in this city who are clueless about regeneration in the city, C.o.C, politics, and how things work in general.

They probably just heared how Degsy built semis for the people in the city centre, and not about running all the other services down to pay for it.
Juxta , services weren't run down to pay for new housing. It was a loan from a Swiss bank which unforunately the council are still paying off.Re: the letter in the Merseymart,the woman has a point. Recent statistics reveal that regeneration has had little effect in large parts of north Liverpool,where the average wage is £10,000 ,so iwouldn't be quite as dismissive.Also Chris when you Hatton brought the city to it's knees ,i think it's fair to say that was with more than a liittle help from Thatcher.
david Wade Smith was on Radio Merseyside yesterday talking about the Mathew St fiasco. He mentioned that the Pierhead is a site we have lost for ever... the canal and its accomodation takes up nearly all the space... so it looks like we HAVE lost our front lawn on the mersey.. all for a bunch of missle class oldies to get their stick boats from Princes over to Albert dock... shame! :eek:hno:
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