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I went in the Pagoda Centre once and loved it. The area is a forgotten area of the city centre, down by the centre has a quaint atmosphere, loadsa scope for development.
 

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Just thought it would be interesting to read peoples opinions, on Chinatown?

What would improve it and open it up to more visitors?

I'd suggest asking the people who live there and who's welfares and daily involvement in the area make it what it is..

I really dont think people who dont venture anywhere near the area have any say in the matter.. thats before its all knocked down to make a bridge to satisfy people who have never stepped foot in the Ma Bo... :runaway:
 

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I'd suggest asking the people who live there and who's welfares and daily involvement in the area make it what it is..

I really dont think people who dont venture anywhere near the area have any say in the matter.. thats before its all knocked down to make a bridge to satisfy people who have never stepped foot in the Ma Bo... :runaway:
Mmmm! Ma Bo's:drool:

 

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Yeh, its very hard to 'deal with' an area like that without taking the soul out of it. The only thing that can happen is people with good ideas and even more importantly, good intentions. Like the guy who wanted to make a Chinese Museum out of the Scandinavian hotel.

Actually 3 buildings on that same crossroads are derelict, the Scandinavian Hotel, the Banksy Cat building and the building opposite that. I'd imagine eventually the same developer will take on all three as the derelictness of each one effects the others. But will anything good be made of them?

If only the council had money to do anything, rather than leave it to private investors.
 

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I don't think much needs to change.

I like it as it is now with all the restaurants owned by the local community (Yuet Ben & Jumbo City my personal favourites).

The only thing that needs attention is the derlict buildings. There's the Scandinavian Hotel, the old pub on the corner and a few empty shops on Berry Street. If these could be brought back in to use then that would be great.

If Urban Splash ever get their act together and get the nearby Tribeca development going then that would add a lot more life to the area too but I won't hold my breath on that one.
 

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I'd suggest asking the people who live there and who's welfares and daily involvement in the area make it what it is..

I really dont think people who dont venture anywhere near the area have any say in the matter.. thats before its all knocked down to make a bridge to satisfy people who have never stepped foot in the Ma Bo... :runaway:
That's a very fair point, accepted.
 

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I think the area needs a good clean and paint, alot of the buildings need a lick of paint and bushes removed from the upper floors. Not really the type of place I like to eat if the upstairs is semi-derilict. Also if Duke Street was fully done up along with Berry Street then this should leed to China Town
 

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Basically half the city centre still needs to be worked on...

If Lime Street, Renshaw Street, Duke Street and Berry Street could be sorted, well then the rest would probably sort itself.

It just annoys my how investors would rather work on big empty plots like the central village site, whereas decent old buildings which could make great shops, restaurants, and homes stay in the gutter.
 

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Do they ever have a market (Chinese or otherwise) on Great George Sq? Giving local businesses etc a free plot to flog their wares once a week might attract a bit more activity up that way, and draw people further in, away from the arch end.
 

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Noticed today that the building opposite the Banksy building has scaffolding around it.

The relocation of Rapid will probably affect Chinatown, especially if the site is connected into shops and restaurants.

As with any other commercial undertakings, the success of Chinatown will depend upon footfall so I think that Central Village with its two hotels, student accommodation and a large multi-storey car park at the top of Bold Street should be beneficial.

There was a proposal for a Chinatown underground station made quite some time ago, I guess that proved impractical but the reopening of St James could allow the area to develop more in a southerly direction.

Definitely needs something to be done to the Scandinavian Hotel but the increased population in Ropewalks and the new restaurants in the East Village have made the area more of a destination.

By the way, I have never been in Ma Bos but I often went to Mr Wongs and more recently to the New Capital.
 

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Shouldn't our China Town be called "China Street"? :lol: No.. "China Lane". The Chinese gate is ridiculously out of proportion. It's like when these lower middle class types have an 8 foot high electrical gate, wall and railings built in front of their small detached Barrat house. :lol:
 

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It's a mistake to over identify Nelson Street with China Town. The Chinese community is dispersed over a wider area than that. Berry Street, the bottom of Upper Duke Street. I suppose 'China Town' covers those streets that have Chinese Characters displayed under the official names.

It's an area that will probably become 'less Chinese' as time passes. Berry Street is an example of this. Historically there used to be Chinese restaurants at the bottom of Upper Duke Street and Gt George Street and the whole of this area was once very densely populated (all kinds) so it had an energy that is currently on standby (to be kind). All of which is very hard to believe given the present state of the area. Gt George Square could be used as a textbook illustration of how different architectural styles do not combine to produce a happy medium.

I like the arch (a gift from Shanghai) and I think it's very appropriate in its location in between the monumental Blackie and a potentially interesting 'Scandanavian hotel'.

China Towns increasingly seem to be a euphemism for 'several Chinese restaurants in one area'. London's China Town does have more variety - several grocery stores, a wider range of eateries (rather than several restaurants offering variations on the same stuff - with chips as an option).

I would like to see a Chinese Medical Centre, a Tao temple, a bookshop, stores selling nic-nacs and shite from mainland China, the Liverpool School of Oriental Studies (a branch of Liverpool uni), a (Chinese) theatre, a (Chinese) cinema, a bank specialising in Asian investments, halls for Asian students. In other words life that includes more than what comes out of a wok.

And a good clean up of the existing buildings wouldn't come amiss. The area needs to get its mojo back or it will become increasingly peripheral.
 

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Developer and Liverpool city council abandons plans for landmark hotel site
Jan 14 2010
by David Bartlett, Liverpool Daily Post



LIVERPOOL Council and developer Downing will abandon plans to create a major new hotel in a derelict city landmark.

It had been hoped Downing – who own the Port of Liverpool building and The Capital – would reopen the former Scandinavian Hotel in time for the city’s 2008 Capital of Culture celebrations.

But now the council and the company are set to agree to tear up the development agreement, and there is no time scale for when the site might be brought back into use.

The local authority will take back the key site in Chinatown which it won the right to compulsorily purchase in 2005.

Last night, opposition councillors hit out at the way the development had been handled, and said there was an urgent need to bring the historic building back into use.

The council said the project was a victim of the recession, but that it was committed to ensuring the former hotel is protected and redeveloped.

It is understood the city will re-market the building, which has been empty since the 1980s, once property conditions have improved.

Downing last night said it would be inappropriate to comment on the negotiations with the council.

It has previously blamed the lack of progress on the site on a row with the previous owners of the building – Frenson Ltd and Chinese businessman Jimmy Wong – over the value of the site.

In the intervening period, more than a dozen hotels have opened in Liverpool, diluting the market, and then the credit crunch hit.

Tomorrow, the council’s ruling executive board is expected to approve a recommendation to tear up the agreement with Downing.

Councillors will also authorise officials to enter into negotiations with Frenson and Mr Wong to agree a settlement over the disputed value for the site.

It is likely that any settlement will end up costing the council considerably more than the £600,000 which has already been paid.

The price was set in June, 2007, when the council took possession of the building – the cash was handed over in May, 2008.

But, in April, 2005, Frenson and Mr Wong were offered £1.55m by surveyors Keppie Massie on behalf of Downing, which was rejected.

Downing have always defended the difference between the two amounts, saying the price was reached by an independent valuation.
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This area should be high up on the list of assets (and our chinese heritage and community in Liverpool is a huge asset) promoted in Shanghai at the expo.

Hopefully a Chinese investor can be found for the hotel.
 

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I'd suggest asking the people who live there and who's welfares and daily involvement in the area make it what it is..

I really dont think people who dont venture anywhere near the area have any say in the matter.. thats before its all knocked down to make a bridge to satisfy people who have never stepped foot in the Ma Bo... :runaway:
Long before the invention of the mobile phone, the staff at the Ma Bo would sell you horse racing tips and bring the phone to the table to phone the bookies. Don't back horses myself but the two chinese guys I frequented the place with would bet on two flies on the wall. Great place, loads of memories and good food.:cheers:
 
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