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LRT/MONORAIL/MRT Train Announcements and Signage at the station.

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IMHO our train announcement should be clear and use the proper voice. recently the new KJ line train announcement not so good compare to the previous one. the best train announcement so far is in the KLIA transit and KLIA express. The voice is clear and the pronouncation was good. Why lrt and monorail cant implement the good one...

The signages at the stations also need to change because the one that using now looks so bad.
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it is indeed very neat compared to RapidKL.
Which RapidKL bus stops or bus station are you referring to? You may realise very few bus stops are under the management of RapidKL. Most are under the management of local authorities (DBKL, MBPJ etc) directly or by their concessionaires (ParisSign etc).

One of the few is Pasar Seni HAB (Hentian Akhir Bandar), that was built by DBKL and handed over to RapidKL to operate their bus services there. How does that compare with Shenzhen bus stops?
Its a reason we have SPAD that will have to enforce quality compliance in terms of service and maintenance.
Land Transport Authorities(equivalent to SPAD) around the world enforce stringent requirement on transport opertors, in Singapore and London train and bus operators are fined if the quality of service is below standards.
One of the first quality compliance that I would like to see SPAD enforce is that all Bus Operators in Klang Valley should publish their time table / schedule for each routes complete with bus stops locations on their websites (very low cost incurred).

As of now ...

(1) http://www.myrapid.com.my/bus/rapidkl/routes provides all routes, including bus stops locations on a map, but without schedule (or frequency).

(2) http://www.cityliner.com.my/ourroute.php?sid=4 provides list of all routes with start/end points and frequency but without all stops locations, without maps, without schedule.

What about other city buses in KL? See also http://www.mypublictransport.com/2011/05/city-bus.html .
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Which RapidKL bus stops or bus station are you referring to? You may realise very few bus stops are under the management of RapidKL. Most are under the management of local authorities (DBKL, MBPJ etc) directly or by their concessionaires (ParisSign etc).

One of the few is Pasar Seni HAB (Hentian Akhir Bandar), that was built by DBKL and handed over to RapidKL to operate their bus services there. How does that compare with Shenzhen bus stops?
In Taiwan, the bus stops also maintain by local authorities, not bus operator.
Not any excuse for Malaysian bus stop lack of any information.:bash::bash::bash:
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What Malaysia faces is very typical of oil-producing nations. The oil and car is cheap, and road networks are more superior than public transport options. Up until the KVMRT - I'd argue that the monorail, LRT lines, commuter and airport links were vanity projects - there was no real serious attempt to get the public to shift to public transport.

Are Malaysians too comfortable in their driver's seat? I don't know, it's hard to say for now.


On the rail side of things, it might be convenient for commuters if the public transport system is integrated. However, for buses, is integration truly the way to go? Hong Kong's bus network for example, aren't integrated. You queue at different bus stop signs for the different operators. Tokyo isn't integrated either. Yes, they've begun to allow interchangeable charge card usage but that's at most as things go. It's very apparent when you switch from node to node, operator to operator and what's worse, operators are punitive on such transfers. But in Singapore for example, is a whole different ballgame as most of you know.

These are 2 perfectly workable strategies, and they affect the construction of bus stops, fare revenues and even routes.

In China, Seoul and Singapore, the data, route planning, bus stop building and fare revenues are centrally planned, allocated to avoid route redundancies, duplication and to maximize revenues. The result? The pristine, well-signed bus stops, clean buses, routes, et cetera. The bad? There's no real competition, and as such fare increases when they happen, can be unreasonable without any real recourse. Profitability can be pretty low, as the revenue is split across the various operators based on whatever transport formula of fare revenue allocation they base it on.

KL is very close to what Tokyo and Hong Kong are doing, which is giving the operators themselves to decide their routes, build their own bus stops, when they collect fares, it's all their own to keep and invest. The result? Commuters can through their choice, decide which operator they prefer on competing routes; routes can change and be added in a short time to cater to demand. The bad? It's every operator for themselves.
If other people are not doing a $hitty job or got weaknesses, I believe it's not a good and ACCEPTABLE excuse for you to use it to JUSTIFY the LOUSY PUBLIC TRANSPORT services in Klang Valley or in Malaysia as general. By this rate going, Malaysia can NEVER really and clearly improve the public transport system.
One of the first quality compliance that I would like to see SPAD enforce is that all Bus Operators in Klang Valley should publish their time table / schedule for each routes complete with bus stops locations on their websites (very low cost incurred).

As of now ...

(1) http://www.myrapid.com.my/bus/rapidkl/routes provides all routes, including bus stops locations on a map, but without schedule (or frequency).

(2) http://www.cityliner.com.my/ourroute.php?sid=4 provides list of all routes with start/end points and frequency but without all stops locations, without maps, without schedule.

What about other city buses in KL? See also http://www.mypublictransport.com/2011/05/city-bus.html .
Not just published at the website, but at each and every single of their bus stop/terminal too.
What Malaysia faces is very typical of oil-producing nations. The oil and car is cheap, and road networks are more superior than public transport options. Up until the KVMRT - I'd argue that the monorail, LRT lines, commuter and airport links were vanity projects - there was no real serious attempt to get the public to shift to public transport.

Are Malaysians too comfortable in their driver's seat? I don't know, it's hard to say for now.
Canada is one of the worlds top oil producers and they have one of the worlds largest reserves, but they also have some of the worlds best public transport. They also don't subsidize their oil at all even though they have so much of it. This is really what a developed oil producing country should be like.

The reason for failure of public transport is Dr.M and his Proton policy which has wasted billions of tax payers dollars already trying to subsidize, giving us substandard cars for an inflated price and inflating all the other cars to an unaffordable price to force everyone to buy Proton. And still Malaysia is only the 22nd largest car producer in the world, the policy has really failed.
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One of the first quality compliance that I would like to see SPAD enforce is that all Bus Operators in Klang Valley should publish their time table / schedule for each routes complete with bus stops locations on their websites (very low cost incurred).

As of now ...

(1) http://www.myrapid.com.my/bus/rapidkl/routes provides all routes, including bus stops locations on a map, but without schedule (or frequency).

(2) http://www.cityliner.com.my/ourroute.php?sid=4 provides list of all routes with start/end points and frequency but without all stops locations, without maps, without schedule.

What about other city buses in KL? See also http://www.mypublictransport.com/2011/05/city-bus.html .

Great points.

also i would like to further add that no one seems to be publishing an integrated bus route map, like most of the bus route diagrams available on rapidkl's website seem to only exist in isolation, i.e. stops are shown for individual routes. Whatever happen to those area route maps that were once published when rapidkl was pushing the "hub and spoke" agenda. I am sure there have been many changes to bus schedules but, the public needs these kinds of maps.

All one sees now should one check out the rapidkl site is some route map made up of railway lines surrounded by numbered areas. How is one who doesn't know the system suppose to know what they represent?

in the past, during the times of intrakota and city liner, dbkl had some intergrated maps for public transport, which was placed at certain bus stops throughout kuala lumpur, these maps had bus routes from intrakota and city liner, though some of the information were a wee bit inaccurate, the fact that it existed was great help to someone like me when I had to plan my journey. It's really sad, that now, with all this internet 2.0, we don't really have an intergrated map, sure there is always that trip planner which rapid kl encourages people to use. Well, that sure is good. but old-schoolers like me would sure like to be more in touch when we plan our trips. though it is possible using individual route maps, but I consider this an unnecessary hassle, and certainly a major inconvenience.

Same as the other posters, on site info should not be neglected.
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Bus stop by RapidKL.



How to get into the bus?
Parkor lol .then kena tio bang by the bus...:eek:hno:
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Parkor lol .then kena tio bang by the bus...:eek:hno:
RAPID KL BUS STOP and almost all Malaysian bus stops are the biggest JOKES in the universe. Oh, please don't forget that many Malaysian buses don't even stop at bus stop. They stop at wherever they are please/prefer to stop at.
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Really pathetic how far we've fallen behind China. We about 10 times richer than China per capita in 1980. UMNO has really stayed way passed their welcome.
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Not just published at the website, but at each and every single of their bus stop/terminal too.
I always prefer to start with easy achievable targets. Publish on websites easily achievable.

Publish at bus stops under control of multiple other bodies (local authorities and concessionaires) adds another layer of complexity and cost
I am staying at Segambut Dalam and have to bear with the Rapid bus stop at where ever they want like every 50m-100m on the narrow kampung road is just frustrating when tailing those buses.

Sometime they even stop to have a short chat with other bus driver from the opposite direction!!!
an integrated bus route map, like most of the bus route diagrams available on rapidkl's website seem to only exist in isolation, i.e. stops are shown for individual routes. Whatever happen to those area route maps that were once published when rapidkl was pushing the "hub and spoke" agenda.
I agree. This is something I would like to see too, a geographical map or even schematic map of all the bus routes including as well as the rail routes. You may want to add your request to http://www.myrapid.com.my/contact-us/contact-info
sure there is always that trip planner which rapid kl encourages people to use. Well, that sure is good. but old-schoolers like me would sure like to be more in touch when we plan our trips.
Have you tried planning journeys on RapidKL Rail/Bus using Google Maps Directions instead? For example if you would like to travel from Flat Sri Sabah Jalan Cheras to Pasar Seni https://goo.gl/maps/odcoJ . Google Maps Directions shows you three public transport options on a map: (1) B112 (2) U49 and (3) Ampang LRT. It is much more map centric.
The pole with the orange RapidKL Bus icon is certainly RapidKL's.
The iron fence blocking the pavement to the road is certainly not RapidKL's.

I hope you can answer some of these questions ...
(1) Where is this bus stop? Google Maps link to it perhaps?
(2) Was the pole there before the fence? or otherwise?
(3) Which road authority installed the fence? JKR? Sprint Highway?

PS: Checked the JPG file for EXIF info. Nope no GPS Coord info.
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Err, It was just 1 comment and I post here quite often. No need to ban for such a small thing.

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The pole with the orange RapidKL Bus icon is certainly RapidKL's.
The iron fence blocking the pavement to the road is certainly not RapidKL's.

I hope you can answer some of these questions ...
(1) Where is this bus stop? Google Maps link to it perhaps?
(2) Was the pole there before the fence? or otherwise?
(3) Which road authority installed the fence? JKR? Sprint Highway?
I think this is in front of Batu caves if I'm not mistaken. So it falls under Selangor state.
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Oh, no BLUE WAVE ARMY too. Politics to support the ruling party or oppositions all are NOT ALLOWED.
I always prefer to start with easy achievable targets. Publish on websites easily achievable.

Publish at bus stops under control of multiple other bodies (local authorities and concessionaires) adds another layer of complexity and cost
I believe your target is NOT ACHIEVABLE at all since you CLAIM ONLY 50% of the people own smartphone and don't forget that in the society there are still TONNES of PEOPLE in Malaysia don't know how to use smartphones or even tablets.

Secondly, the social cost will be even more COMPLICATED and CONFUSED cum unpredictable if the government follow your idea. Even IT and WIFI ADVANCE, SAVY FRIENDLY countries like South Korea, Japan and Taiwan don't dare to fully or solely rely on website and Google maps and obviously and vivdly all their public transport BUS STOPS, TERMINAL and STATIONS are still FULLY and WELL EQUIPPED with PHYSICAL hard copy signages or indicators whether you like it or not.

Thirdly, based on what/which PROFESSIONAL or EXPERT REPORTS that you can come to this conclusion/idea??? And how can you guarantee that it will work WITHOUT/FREE of problems, difficulties, unnecessary social costs and complications at all??? Can you please show me ANY public transportation stations, stop or terminal in the world that doesn't have physical or hard copy signage???
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I always prefer to start with easy achievable targets. Publish on websites easily achievable.

Publish at bus stops under control of multiple other bodies (local authorities and concessionaires) adds another layer of complexity and cost
If you think your idea will work, South Korea and Japan or even Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong will do it a LONG LONG TIME AGO. They won't wait until now. Unless you have doubts about their professionalism, expertise, experience and achievements in public transport at their respective countries.
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