The bus operator should put it, in this case it is rapidKL
LRT/MONORAIL/MRT Train Announcements and Signage at the station.
IMHO our train announcement should be clear and use the proper voice. recently the new KJ line train announcement not so good compare to the previous one. the best train announcement so far is in the KLIA transit and KLIA express. The voice is clear and the pronouncation was good. Why lrt and monorail cant implement the good one...
The signages at the stations also need to change because the one that using now looks so bad.
The signages at the stations also need to change because the one that using now looks so bad.
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Actually that MyRapid logo colours correspond to the line colours identified in SPAD's http://www.spad.gov.my/klang-valley-rail-transit-map ...Well, this is only the company logo, they can put whatever colour they want to show, but when it comes to official public physical hard copy signage at the various public transport stop or stations/terminal. They'd better use their brain when it comes to the design, practicality, VISIBILITY and convenience to the public.
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Mmm ... I understand that ... There are about 5,000 bus stops in Klang Valley, used by the various bus operators (CityLiner, Seranas, RapidKL etc). Out of those about 3,000 bus stops are used by RapidKL. And some of these 3,000 bus stops are not used solely by RapidKL, but are shared use with CityLiner etc.The bus operator should put it, in this case it is rapidKL
As is currently, RapidKL seems to choose *only* to put bus stops identification in their website journey planner but *not* physically on the bus stops.
It would be difficult (not impossible) for RapidKL to put bus stops identification on bus stops that they don't use.
To be fair, i think they should just ban all other bus operators in KL except rapidKL. The quality of service from these other operators are quite horrendous, the buses also look very badly maintained and pollute a lot, they are an eyesore in the city. Or they could still operate under a concession but have to be fully integrated and complement rapidkl and not compete, all these other bus operators should also be forced to provide disabled access which would mean they would have to buy new buses and be less of an eyesore and a pollutant.Mmm ... I understand that ... There are about 5,000 bus stops in Klang Valley, used by the various bus operators (CityLiner, Seranas, RapidKL etc). Out of those about 3,000 bus stops are used by RapidKL. And some of these 3,000 bus stops are not used solely by RapidKL, but are shared use with CityLiner etc.
As is currently, RapidKL seems to choose *only* to put bus stops identification in their website journey planner but *not* physically on the bus stops.
It would be difficult (not impossible) for RapidKL to put bus stops identification on bus stops that they don't use.
You will see Rapidkl starting to rot as there are no other competitors. Not all are horrendous though. I can see cityliner done quite a good job at least in maintaining their bus.To be fair, i think they should just ban all other bus operators in KL except rapidKL. The quality of service from these other operators are quite horrendous, the buses also look very badly maintained and pollute a lot, they are an eyesore in the city. Or they could still operate under a concession but have to be fully integrated and complement rapidkl and not compete, all these other bus operators should also be forced to provide disabled access which would mean they would have to buy new buses and be less of an eyesore and a pollutant.
How would they rot exactly? Public transport isn't supposed to be a profitable business. I've lived in Canada where the bus system is excellent and only the official bus service is allowed to operate and they do just fine, they of course integrate very well with the local train systems.You will see Rapidkl starting to rot as there are no other competitors. Not all are horrendous though. I can see cityliner done quite a good job at least in maintaining their bus.
That's all, it's ONLY line colours. The whole world is doing it, what so unique as you mentioned??? It's not identification code for each stop.Actually that MyRapid logo colours correspond to the line colours identified in SPAD's http://www.spad.gov.my/klang-valley-rail-transit-map ...
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So what does it mean??? It means our government is doing a lousy job to integrate our public transport system and cause a big mess and the mess is so damn big is almost irreversable now. So whose fault is this???Mmm ... I understand that ... There are about 5,000 bus stops in Klang Valley, used by the various bus operators (CityLiner, Seranas, RapidKL etc). Out of those about 3,000 bus stops are used by RapidKL. And some of these 3,000 bus stops are not used solely by RapidKL, but are shared use with CityLiner etc.
As is currently, RapidKL seems to choose *only* to put bus stops identification in their website journey planner but *not* physically on the bus stops.
It would be difficult (not impossible) for RapidKL to put bus stops identification on bus stops that they don't use.
I only know that our government did a horrendous lousy hideous job on integrating the public transport system properly. I believe in the future, Vietnam and Myanmar can do better than Malaysia.You will see Rapidkl starting to rot as there are no other competitors. Not all are horrendous though. I can see cityliner done quite a good job at least in maintaining their bus.
Taipei got two public bus operators 台北客運 and 台北聯營公車, why they can do a good job integrate them together??? Besides, these are the bigger one, they even have smaller one that travels only within the same neighbourhood/area like 三重客運 and etc etc. But Taipei got no problems to integrate them.
hopefully the train announcements for the new 4 car monorail will be more much better than previous one.
Alot of western and dveloped cities are dominated by one public bus operator but are well maintained.You will see Rapidkl starting to rot as there are no other competitors. Not all are horrendous though. I can see cityliner done quite a good job at least in maintaining their bus.
Its a reason we have SPAD that will have to enforce quality compliance in terms of service and maintenance.
Land Transport Authorities(equivalent to SPAD) around the world enforce stringent requirement on transport opertors, in Singapore and London train and bus operators are fined if the quality of service is below standards.
RapidKL has done some improvements. For example, they have an internal target to ensure that all of its LED displays on the buses are functioning. Now even the lousy china made buses have their LED display functioning properly all the time rather than using the silly cardboards.
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See how PROFESSIONAL Shenzhen public bus services are??? I won't paste too much pictures for this posting simply because too many wonderful China public bus pictures to show I didn't even know where to begin. I choose Shenzhen (city with 8 million people, smaller city) it's because if I use pics from Beijing or Shanghai, some "people" here might deem as unfair. So I compare an apple with an apple.
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Hebei Province city public bus:
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Hebei Province city public bus:
^^it is indeed very neat compared to RapidKL.Even we are consulting the chinese for our KL-Klang BRT line.
The Chinense established an efficient bus system in its major cities as public transport is used by millions of Chinese commuters.
Compared to KL and Klang balley where barely 20%(last time it was 13%) of trips are by public transport no thanks to cheap car ownership and subsidized fuel not to mention a very pathetic bus system(small fleet) to support the rail system for seamless travel.
Once public transport becomes an important aspect of our mobility i believe the govt will begin to pay attention to our bus and rail systems because when the public transport fails, people will protest at the ballot box..right mow, its easier splashing rm20 billion on subsidised to keep us happy..oh yeah..perodua axia is the among the most googled item on google malaysia, we still fall for overpriced metal coffin on wheels.:lol:
The Chinense established an efficient bus system in its major cities as public transport is used by millions of Chinese commuters.
Compared to KL and Klang balley where barely 20%(last time it was 13%) of trips are by public transport no thanks to cheap car ownership and subsidized fuel not to mention a very pathetic bus system(small fleet) to support the rail system for seamless travel.
Once public transport becomes an important aspect of our mobility i believe the govt will begin to pay attention to our bus and rail systems because when the public transport fails, people will protest at the ballot box..right mow, its easier splashing rm20 billion on subsidised to keep us happy..oh yeah..perodua axia is the among the most googled item on google malaysia, we still fall for overpriced metal coffin on wheels.:lol:
^^ as a reminder ,the Chinese has only begun the process of having actual public transport recently, until then they were mostly factory shuttles or long distance buses.
Really pathetic how far we've fallen behind China. We about 10 times richer than China per capita in 1980. UMNO has really stayed way passed their welcome.
Please refrain from mixing politics into this.Really pathetic how far we've fallen behind China. We about 10 times richer than China per capita in 1980. UMNO has really stayed way passed their welcome.
Please remember the opposition leaders says they will restore the fuel subsidies to the pre rm1.90 per litre price.
If that happens, it will either be status quo or regression for our public transport too.
Prasarana is making progress in the right direction as of now. The government commitment to spend rm40 billion on the MRT is a positive direction too.
The chinese govt dont have a choice, they are a net importer of oil and fuel subsidies in China are actually crippling plus their humongous population require a more structured public transport system.^^ as a reminder ,the Chinese has only begun the process of having actual public transport recently, until then they were mostly factory shuttles or long distance buses.
In Malaysia, I blame the current fuel subsidies for the state of our public transport. Even if RapidKL have 10,000 buses I doubt PT ridership will increase significantly because as it is,car ownership is cheap(despite excise duties, its easy to get 9 year loans making car ownership cheap) and our fuel price is still very low by world standards.
As public transport in Malaysia improves gradually, the fuel subsidies should be gradually reduced to a more manageable level.
What Malaysia faces is very typical of oil-producing nations. The oil and car is cheap, and road networks are more superior than public transport options. Up until the KVMRT - I'd argue that the monorail, LRT lines, commuter and airport links were vanity projects - there was no real serious attempt to get the public to shift to public transport.The chinese govt dont have a choice, they are a net importer of oil and fuel subsidies in China are actually crippling plus their humongous population require a more structured public transport system.
In Malaysia, I blame the current fuel subsidies for the state of our public transport. Even if RapidKL have 10,000 buses I doubt PT ridership will increase significantly because as it is,car ownership is cheap(despite excise duties, its easy to get 9 year loans making car ownership cheap) and our fuel price is still very low by world standards.
As public transport in Malaysia improves gradually, the fuel subsidies should be gradually reduced to a more manageable level.
Are Malaysians too comfortable in their driver's seat? I don't know, it's hard to say for now.
On the rail side of things, it might be convenient for commuters if the public transport system is integrated. However, for buses, is integration truly the way to go? Hong Kong's bus network for example, aren't integrated. You queue at different bus stop signs for the different operators. Tokyo isn't integrated either. Yes, they've begun to allow interchangeable charge card usage but that's at most as things go. It's very apparent when you switch from node to node, operator to operator and what's worse, operators are punitive on such transfers. But in Singapore for example, is a whole different ballgame as most of you know.I only know that our government did a horrendous lousy hideous job on integrating the public transport system properly. I believe in the future, Vietnam and Myanmar can do better than Malaysia.
These are 2 perfectly workable strategies, and they affect the construction of bus stops, fare revenues and even routes.
In China, Seoul and Singapore, the data, route planning, bus stop building and fare revenues are centrally planned, allocated to avoid route redundancies, duplication and to maximize revenues. The result? The pristine, well-signed bus stops, clean buses, routes, et cetera. The bad? There's no real competition, and as such fare increases when they happen, can be unreasonable without any real recourse. Profitability can be pretty low, as the revenue is split across the various operators based on whatever transport formula of fare revenue allocation they base it on.
KL is very close to what Tokyo and Hong Kong are doing, which is giving the operators themselves to decide their routes, build their own bus stops, when they collect fares, it's all their own to keep and invest. The result? Commuters can through their choice, decide which operator they prefer on competing routes; routes can change and be added in a short time to cater to demand. The bad? It's every operator for themselves.
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