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Congo's Second city, South East part of the country.

Population 1.8 million .

New Housing being built by Echelle Congo.













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Fungurume is growing. Young bucks of Lubumbashi are looking for jobs in Fungurume, you move where jobs are promising. This is the main reason for growth in Kolwezi and Likasi also. Fungurume has an international runway already laid. Lubumbashi does not revolve around soccer, soccer doesn't feed you, the mining sector does. Farming and Mining investments are active in Fungurume and people are flocking. Fungurume is going to be the biggest city in the area.
Fungurunge is growing i agree, so is Lubumbashi .

If i was a millionaire i would bet that Fungurume will not even catch Kolwezi by 2020.

Wantashi is the giant there for ever.:) Soccer? yes it feeds people. Luano city will provide 1000s of jobs as well. and there are farms on the outskirt as well. more over Lubumbashi is growing toward Kipushi and between L'shi and Kansumalesa.

No chance that F'rume will ever catch Wantashi. Not even dreams. people will not only depend on Mining. once prices go down. They will be back to Wantashi.


People used to talk about Kolwezi the same way(More people actually believed it). that it will catch wantashi, never happened. let alone F'rume that is not even 200,000 today.:lol:
Do you see where Tenke and Fungurume is on the map, follow that rail line closely that's the only thing Fungurume is waiting for. Fungurume is the the future Hub for the area. It's growing.
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Yes i see it. It doesn't change anything . Lubumbashi always been and will always be in the Queen of the area.

Mining will not last for ever. Don't forget Lubumbashi is being fixed and its a matter of time time before more investors start flooding in .

Like i said , F'rume will not even catch Kolwezi by 2020. let alone Wantashi.

And when Kalemie is opened up. more people will move for Kalemie. as commecial fishing, farming , investors, cement, texile, internal Tourism reopen :)

Kolwezi has it smelters are well and it growing as well.

I know you love and expect to much of Tenke-F'rume, but lets face facts that it will never suurpass Wantashi, even Kolwezi and Kalemie will be growing like mushrooms as well.

They are growing now, whilst F'rume is still a village.
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I don't know why you don't get.

Lubumbashi's population is more than 20 times bigger than Fungurume. and keeps on growing.

Whilst Fungurume is still a village.

Lubumbashi is growing fast and you know that, Only mining , even with Agriculture.(As we know most people back home don't even like Agriculture).

And when Mining prices fail, there is a massive lay off like end of 2008. what happens to the people? they move to where the economy is divertified. not depending on bread alone.

Man cannot live off bread alone.
Lubumbashi will pale in comparison to what is shaping up in Tenke and Fungurume. Just because Lubumbashi is the capital doesn't mean its the face of the future for the province. The mines are not there to stay but the timeframe its operational the service, and other sectors of the economy will follow suit. Fungurume isn't a village anymore it's a town. Why would RawBank and TMB move to a small village.
I don't know why you don't get.

Lubumbashi's population is more than 20 times bigger than Fungurume. and keeps on growing.

Whilst Fungurume is still a village.

Lubumbashi is growing fast and you know that, Only mining , even with Agriculture.(As we know most people back home don't even like Agriculture).

And when Mining prices fail, there is a massive lay off like end of 2008. what happens to the people? they move to where the economy is divertified. not depending on bread alone.

Man cannot live off bread alone.
why don't I get it? Because I'm from there. Relative are from there, my home is right there in Lubumbashi. I talk to people about what's happening home daily. There is alot of stuff that don't make headlines but nevertheless taking shape.
why don't I get it? Because I'm from there. Relative are from there, my home is right there in Lubumbashi. I talk to people about what's happening home daily. There is alot of stuff that don't make headlines but nevertheless taking shape.
Well, just because your from there and the massive mining around and only mining there. doesn't make relevant to compare to a metropolis.

People will laugh at you all day when you say such a thing that in 5 years it will surpass Kolwezi.

I garranty you that it will not even surpass Kolwezi, let alone Lubumbashi.

Mining is Alfa and Omega of that village. They wont even have a Football team that will be able to compete nationally .

How many people are going to be hired there anyways? perhaps 50,000. still will not catch L'shi in this century.

You comparing a Chicken to an Eagle, a goat to a Horse.




Lubumbashi will pale in comparison to what is shaping up in Tenke and Fungurume. Just because Lubumbashi is the capital doesn't mean its the face of the future for the province. The mines are not there to stay but the timeframe its operational the service, and other sectors of the economy will follow suit. Fungurume isn't a village anymore it's a town. Why would RawBank and TMB move to a small village.
Those banks went there because of the money from the company's Employees.

Like you said it yourself, its a small town. even small towns of less that 5,000 can have banks.

That doesn't change anything. its still a village. when compared to Kolwezi.
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The population is not even 50,000 yet. :hahaha:
The population is not even 50,000 yet. :hahaha:
Are you nuts, the population has already reached over 100,000 thousand, you have transits from Kolwezi, Likasi and Lubumbashi. Transit workers, miners setting up camps, people as far as Zimbabwe living in camp cities in the surrounding. The area is going to grow even more than anticipated. They expected it to be at 200,000 at 2025 but it's already reaching that level now in 2025 it's going to be double that population.

The mining company Tenke Fungurume MINING (TFM) has just developed by a consulting firm specializing in urban planning, a plan to build a modern city FUNGURUME over 15 years from 2010 to 2025.


This document entitled "Management Plan for urban development of the city of FUNGURUME
(PGDU) was presented Monday to authorities in Katanga and departments concerned with planning for assessment and enrichment.
The PGDU is designed in many ways and stages of transformation of the current city of FUNGURUME in a city, including the subdivision of new districts in an area of 2840 Ha, managing the environment with the exhaust system of garbage The construction of basic social infrastructure: roads, highways, hospitals, schools, concert halls, stadiums, shopping complexes, public places for demonstrations, installation of networks of water and electricity etc..


These projects will be implemented gradually in the short term and some medium-term financing under other TFM and its national and international partners through a foundation established for this purpose.

Mr. Alphonse Soh, Project Manager Group 8, the consultancy firm which developed the PGDU, the present city of FUNGURUME in 2025 has a population of over 200,000 inhabitants. The plan, he said, takes into account the changing demographics of this mining town.


Mr. Fridolin KASWESHI, Provincial Minister of Infrastructure, Planning and habitat that represented the provincial authority in the meeting, gave its opinion on the technical PGDU.

Mr. KASWESHI, the provincial government has always advocated the observance of standards in urban construction or expansion of settlements, strongly supports and is involved in this project. The provincial government hopes that the example of TFM is followed by other mining companies for the development of Katanga.


ACP / DCI
Are you nuts, the population has already reached over 100,000 thousand, you have transits from Kolwezi, Likasi and Lubumbashi. Transit workers, miners setting up camps, people as far as Zimbabwe living in camp cities in the surrounding. The area is going to grow even more than anticipated. They expected it to be at 200,000 at 2025 but it's already reaching that level now in 2025 it's going to be double that population.
Fare enough,

But 200,000 in 2025? that 15 years. :hahaha: thats just an estimation depending on how the mineral prices. whilst Lubumbashi will keep on growing.

Thats less than 10% of what Lubumbashi will be. still less than Kolwezi and even Likasi:lol:

Lubumbashi will be more than more than 3 million in 15 years, maybe even at 4 million mark.

So with less than 10% in 15 years, when are you going to Catch Wantashi?
Your really underestimating how much this town is going to boom once the rail line is back. The site is on the largest investment in the country 2 billion dollar has already been invested into the area in minor infrastructure, it is also going to be hub in the area.
Your really underestimating how much this town is going to boom once the rail line is back. The site is on the largest investment in the country 2 billion dollar has already been invested into the area in minor infrastructure, it is also going to be hub in the area.
Your super underestimating the already 1.8 million metropolis. Don't forget that Wantashi has it own Multibillion dollars investments as well.

Like you said, it will be 200,000 in 15 years. whilst Wantashi will be more than 3 million. making the town less than 10% of Lubumbashi and less than half of Kolwezi.

It funny to think that a town that will live on bread alone(Minerals alone) will be able to even catch the growing Kolwezi.

Kolwezi will be more than 1 million in 2020. let alone 2025.

If you can't catch Kolwezi, how will you catch Lubumbashi?
How long did it take Butembo to surpass Goma? Lubumbashi population boom was not natural, displaced people and others factors added to that influx. It is overcrowded and when the opportunity knocks at another city people will move. From a three year old to the oldest geezer in the street knows of Fungurume, an American investment who isn't going to be flocking to the town. The young are going to leave Lubumbashi, it's a dead but safe city.
What? You comparing Goma and Butembo to the little town and a metropolis? that doesn't work at all.

Goma has always had a double of Butembo's Population. Goma at 200,000, Butembo at 100,000.

Hutu dominated Goma, Butembo Nande dominated. Its a local competition without foreigners involved.

Hutu are very good in Agriculture and Administration, while Nande are very good in Agriculture as well and Commerce .

I will go with Agriculture and Commerce. and people started moving from villages to Butembo because they wanted to have a huge center to represent Nande since Goma was Hutu dominated.

Now you can't beat Agriculture+ Commerce anywhere you go in the world.

Goma's boom is a combination of both Hutu and Nande that make up 70% of the city.


Everyone moved to Lubumbashi. and now they went back, but Lubumbashi has been booming with population from outside Katanga.



What is Fungurume going to do? How can a chicken compete against an Eagle? F'rume is only Mining. and what happen if and when the mining prices fail? F"rume will be reduced to goast town like Kolwezi and Likasi became during 2000-2004 no mining activities.
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L’Assemblée provinciale du Katanga invite les entreprises minières à suivre l’exemple de Tenke Fungurume
Kinshasa, 09/11/2009 / Economie
L’honorable député Gabriel Kyungu demande à ses interlocuteurs de reconnaître les actions sociales de TFM en faveur de la population notamment la construction des villages avec maisons de type moderne, le forage de puits d’eau, la construction des écoles et la réhabilitation des routes et autres.

M. Antoine Gabriel Kyungu wa Kumwanza, président de l’Assemblée provinciale du Katanga, invite toutes les entreprises minières opérant dans la province à suivre l’exemple de Tenke Fungurume Mining (TFM) en ce qui concerne le respect du code minier de la RDC, ont rapporté les sources officielles.

Cet appel a été lancé récemment à l’issue d’une visite que le président de l’Assemblée provinciale du Katanga a effectuée dans les mines et usines de TFM à Fungurume, localité située à 200 km de Lubumbashi sur la route Kolwezi. Sous la conduite de M. Claude Polet, directeur général de TFM, le président de l’Assemblée provinciale est monté au sommet de la colline Kwatebala, un gisement riche en minerai de cuivre, avant de visiter l’usine d’électrolyse avec équipement de technologie de pointe qui produit, depuis mars dernier, la cathode de cuivre.


Le président de l’Assemblée provinciale du Katanga qui a également visité le parc de rejet, a apprécié le respect de normes nationales et internationales en matière de protection de l’environnement. Les rejets de l’usine réputés matières dangereuses pour les humains et la végétation sont stockés dans un vaste bassin dont le fond est couvert par une couche imperméable pour éviter tout contact avec le sous-sol, a-t-il constaté.

Au village Mulumbu où sont réinstallés 44 ménages délocalisés dans des maisons de type moderne construites par la TFM, M. Gabriel Kyungu wa Kumwanza a visité l’école primaire Kabana, œuvre de la même société pour l’éducation des enfants du coin. Répondant aux doléances qui lui ont été soumises par la population au sujet « la priorité à l’emploi pour les autochtones », le président de l’Assemblée provinciale a invité la population de Fungurume à introduire ses revendications dans l’ordre et la discipline en évitant des casses.

Il a demandé à ses interlocuteurs de reconnaître les actions sociales de TFM en faveur de la population notamment la construction des villages avec maisons de type moderne, le forage de puits d’eau, la construction des écoles et la réhabilitation des routes. De ce fait, la population de Fungurume doit protéger les installations de TFM, a-t-il conclu. C’est pour la toute première fois que le président de l’Assemblée provinciale du Katanga visite les installations de TFM.

Il sied de souligner que TFM emploie directement 3.000 employés et 1.000 sous-traitants. 98% des travailleurs sont des nationaux. Le projet génère des opportunités d’emploi et de transfert de technologie, ainsi que d’importantes opportunités de formation et de promotion pour un nombre important de travailleurs. TFM a opéré des investissements majeurs dans le réseau électrique de la région, dans les routes et dans l’infrastructure, notamment un investissement de 170 millions Usd pour la rénovation de la centrale électrique de N’Seke et d’importants investissements pour la réhabilitation de 174 Km de la route nationale entre Likasi et Fungurume.
And that is just the start up phase.
I'm tired of arguing. simple facts are that F"rume will never overtake Lubumbashi. Thats simple.

But you can continue to dream about F"rume overtaking L'shi. thats your oponion. I already given my facts.
It ain't a dream by the time your in your 50's Tenke Fungurume will be the biggest city in Katanga. It's already shaping up, unless Lubumbashi keeps it's young in the city Kolwezi and Tenke will surpass it.
I'm tired of arguing. simple facts are that F"rume will never overtake Lubumbashi. Thats simple.

But you can continue to dream about F"rume overtaking L'shi. thats your oponion. I already given my facts.
Butembo21,

Gecamine was the main drive behind Lubumbashi development. TFM are investing big in that part Katanga, it is going to be a major city in near future probably surpass Lubumbashi … it is human nature to migrate for economic reason.

Mulopwe
Butembo21,

Gecamine was the main drive behind Lubumbashi development. TFM are investing big in that part Katanga, it is going to be a major city in near future probably surpass Lubumbashi … it is human nature to migrate for economic reason.

Mulopwe
Yes to migration. But Lubumbashi is growing without Gecamines.

Fungurume:100,000 today.

Lubumbashi:1,800,000+ million today. and growing


How many people will TFM employ? and it will only be mining.

Plus Lubumbashi still has mining of it own. and it has a divertified economy, and it has a 4 billion dollar investment Luano City. I can just imagine Lubumbashi growing so fast because of Luano city.

Not just that. but more investments will come in as mining prices are still high.

While in Fingurume it will only be full of Miners and a few small businesses.
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Yes to migration. But Lubumbashi is growing without Gecamines.

Fungurume:100,000 today.

Lubumbashi:1,800,000+ million today. and growing


How many people will TFM employ? and it will only be mining.

Plus Lubumbashi still has mining of it own. and it has a divertified economy, and it has a 4 billion dollar investment Luano City. I can just imagine Lubumbashi growing so fast because of Luano city.

Not just that. but more investments will come in as mining prices are still high.

While in Fingurume it will only be full of Miners and a few small businesses.
What makes you think that people in Lubumbashi are sitting idle they are putting their money in Fungurume by buying up land for future investment. Kolwezi-Fungurume-Likasi that's the metropolis of the future. How can an investment that huge be ignored.
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