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MADRID "Cañada Real Galiana" LARGEST SLUMS IN EUROPE

Canada Real Galiana is a 16km-long, 75m-wide strip of economic and social misery. Believed to be Europe's largest shanty town, it is a mere 15-minute drive from Madrid city centre.
"This place reminds me of one of the most run-down slums in Guatemala I used to work in," says Susana Camacho, who works for Fundacion Secretariado Gitano (FSG), a local NGO.



It is in stark contrast to the wealth, elegance and sophistication of nearby Madrid, a city voted among the most liveable in the world. Ms Camacho's van makes its way down the single heavily rutted, mud-splattered track that runs through the Galiana, lurching past lines of flimsy tin or wooden shacks, broken only by the odd few bungalows behind walls so high they could withstand a siege. Aside from perhaps a hundred metres of poorly laid tarmac road – paid for by the residents – it is quickly back to a sea of mud, punctuated only by rubbish, scrawny chickens, wrecked cars and mounds of rubble.



Dubbed the "slum of shame", the 40-year-old settlement, home to 40,000 people, is completely devoid of any public services – no pavements, schools, sewage or drainage systems. Many of its residents are long-standing, legal immigrants from Portugal, Romania, Morocco or South America. "For many, this place is the last resort," confirms Pablo Asua, another FSG worker. "People in the Galiana have fallen through one support network after another. They don't want to know about society any more, and society doesn't want to know about them."



The area is infamous for two things: rubbish – it is right next to the capital's biggest refuse incinerating site – and being Madrid's principal outdoor drugs supermarket. More than 4,000 refuse lorries belch and grind their way across the Galiana every day en route to the incinerators. And social workers estimate 90 per cent of Madrid's illegal drug supply is channelled through here. Actual dealing is overwhelmingly limited to a 1km-long open-air "shooting gallery" within the township. Even on a rain-soaked midweek morning, business looks brisk, with most buyers coming in vehicles. Scruffy-looking men in their twenties or thirties standing around braziers urgently wave down any passing cars. Few addicts actually get out: most can be seen, half-slumped in their seats, through steamed-up windows of the four dozen or so cars lined on either side of the track.



Official indifference to the Galiana is great. Only a single mobile health unit covers the entire township. Local social workers volunteer to help, but often clandestinely in order to avoid their bosses' disapproval.



"We've got six people in our foundation working here. Of 1,800 families, we've reached 80," Ms Camacho adds. "Some of their situations are truly dramatic. I know of families forced to choose between heat and food. They can't afford both."

As if appalling living conditions, zero political interest and having Madrid's largest junkie paradise a stone's throw away from their back doors were not enough to cope with, the Galiana's dwellers now face another challenge: losing their homes altogether.



In March this year, Madrid's regional government announced the Galiana had lost its status as a drovers' trail, with the land now belonging to three different municipalities. A deadline of 2013 has been set to resolve the Galiana's future.

Not surprisingly, its citizens are keen to leave. "We're desperate to get out but there's nowhere to go," says Adelito, an unemployed Portuguese man. He claims he owes €3m in fines to the local authorities for his illegal Galiana shack. But so far, the only "solutions" the Galiana residents have seen are bright yellow diggers from a local company that enter the township with increasing frequency to demolish their shacks, and fines of up to €600,000 apiece for living in illegal dwellings. "The post doesn't reach here," Ms Camacho points out wryly, "but the fines do."



Once their homes are knocked down, there is no resettlement scheme, just a maximum of three nights' lodging in an emergency centre. After that, they are out on the street. As Amnesty International warns, by 2013, it is a fate that could await all 30,000 residents.

For now, should any evicted families return to the township, their first stop is the demolition company's warehouse – the Galiana's equivalent of Poundland, where anything that fell into the skips during the eviction can be bought back by its former owners. Then families invariably either rebuild another shanty – often more precarious and even more of a health risk. Or in some cases, according to Ms Camacho, they just dig out a hole in the rubble of where their first residence stood and make do with that.

"We get no help and then they do this," says Lucilia, a Portuguese woman now facing a €22,000 fine for building a second shack – made almost entirely out of cheap plywood doors – after her first was knocked down. "We didn't have anywhere else to live, so we saw everybody else had built a shack here, even if they were just made out of cardboard, and so did we. Now the authorities say we don't want shacks. That's fine. But they have to provide a solution. All they're doing is throwing us out in the street as if we were stray dogs."

"Strangely enough, it's always the residents with the least money, the foreigners and the Gypsies, who get the eviction orders first. There's definite discrimination," one social worker in the Galiana says. "But what are the people who live there now going to do? Disappear off the face of the earth?"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-6268652.html



Cañada Real Galiana

La Cañada Real Galiana es como su propio nombre indica una Cañada Real que discurre entre La Rioja y Ciudad Real (también es conocida como Cañada Real Riojana).
Nace al Sur de la Rioja y recorre las provincias de Soria, Guadalajara, Madrid, Toledo y Ciudad Real.
La pérdida de los privilegios de la Mesta desde el final del Antiguo Régimen (siglos XVIII y XIX) no supuso el final de su consideración jurídica, y hoy en día aún se mantiene en el dominio público sujeta a una amplísima protección que impide cualquier otro uso, especialmente el urbanístico, que es con el que compite en la actualidad (anteriormente lo hacía con el uso agrícola, en el secular enfrentamiento entre agricultores y ganaderos).



Asentamiento informal
Particularmente, el tramo que transcurre al sur de la ciudad de Madrid ha sido objeto de ocupación para la construcción de edificaciones irregulares (chabolas) desde los años 1960 en torno a un modelo no planificado de ciudad lineal, que se han ido haciendo cada vez más estables hasta llegar a un número de más 2.000 que alojan a unos 40.000 habitantes en torno a 15 kilómetros de cañada.
La situación sociocultural en la actualidad es multipolar, aunque se especula[¿quién?] con fenómenos de marginación social, especialmente tráfico de drogas, insalubridad, carencia o precariedad de servicios y suministros (agua, electricidad, alcantarillado, etc.) y sensible a los efectos perniciosos por los realojamientos forzosos provocado tras la dispersión de otros núcleos chabolistas o la llegada masiva de inmigrantes desde los años 1990 por los focos de conflicto inherentes a la marginalidad y la dejación.
La situación jurídica de las viviendas es diferente en cada caso, dependiendo de su ubicación concreta, la forma o materiales de su construcción y su antigüedad o situación burocrática (pues algunas incluso pagan el Impuesto sobre Bienes Inmuebles o están registradas en el Catastro); pero en ninguno de ellos es legal[cita requerida] y ni siquiera pueden acogerse a la posibilidad de usucapión (adquisición de la propiedad por ocupación y paso del tiempo), dada la imprescriptible protección jurídica de la cañada.



El derribo de una vivienda por parte del ayuntamiento de Madrid a finales de 2007 provocó un motín popular que tuvo gran repercusión mediática.

En los tramos no urbanizados ilegalmente o afectados por otro tipo de alteraciones (circulación masiva de camiones, vertidos ilegales, proximidad de vertederos legales u otras instalaciones contaminantes) se mantiene, en mayor o menor medida, su valor como espacio natural, y se usa como vía para cicloturismo y otras actividades similares.
Algunas zonas están integradas en el Parque Regional del Sureste o son adyacentes al mismo.
 

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La ultima vez ,que se quiso instaurar la ley y el orden debido a que algunos habitantes de la cañada se dedican ha actividades ilicitas como narcotrafico,armas de fuego y prostitucion,las fuerzas policiales fueron recibidos a pedradas e incluso disparos .LA CAÑADA es un foco de desestabilizacion social en MADRID que altera la convivencia.
 

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La ultima vez ,que se quiso instaurar la ley y el orden debido a que algunos habitantes de la cañada se dedican ha actividades ilicitas como narcotrafico,armas de fuego y prostitucion,las fuerzas policiales fueron recibidos a pedradas e incluso disparos .LA CAÑADA es un foco de desestabilizacion social en MADRID que altera la convivencia.
ha sido que el Estado español quiere destruir y arrasar el barrio, pero no es fácil de trasladar a 40.000 personas que en su mayoría no quieren salir. esto no es siempre una cuestión de recursos y dinero.

muchas de estas personas no se quieren ir y sé que el Estado español ha reconocido desde hace tiempo este problema en esta situación.

no hay vergüenza en tener todos los países ricos hay barrios en ruinas.
 

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Horrible! I thought Madrid was a first world city...
I don't understand your reaction, Paris is not everywhere magnificent ..... you knows only the most beautiful areas and you forget to see dilapidated neighborhoods ...... in tokyo you have old cobbled streets with wires hanging everywhere et caetera...and in every big city in the world you can see bad districts
 

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in the North of France in Sangatte a village near on the Channel Tunnel towards the United Kingdom, there was also recently a small shanty with citizens of India and Pakistan waiting to go to the United Kingdom
but the police evacuated the area after a lot of nuisances.

most of people living at Canada Real in Madrid are not spanish, but from EAST EUROPE, roms, romanians, south america or without any identity papers.

a big thank-you to the Brussels officials that agree these nomadic people the right to move freely in Europe.

In France, everytime the authorities accompany the nomads or the "sans-papiers/without identity papers" to the border or put them in planes towards Romania or East Europe.

each Romanian per example receives the sum of 300 euros.

these nomadics remains at home in their countries, the time to spend the 300 euros and a few months after they returnes to France.

the free movement of citizens nomads in Europe is a real crap that does not solve any problem.

merci Bruxelles/thak you to Brussels officials.

I have another question and I would like an answer from a Spanish citizen. thank you.

I'm sure the explosion of unemployment in Spain is the result of the integration, is the result of the legalization of every people without any identity papers called "les sans-papiers" in France.

Estoy seguro de que la explosión del desempleo en España es el resultado de la integración, es el resultado de la legalización de todos los pueblos, sin ningún documento de identidad.

the Spanish borders are too open, are real strainers./las fronteras españolas son muy abiertos

thanks for your answers.
 

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ha sido que el Estado español quiere destruir y arrasar el barrio, pero no es fácil de trasladar a 40.000 personas que en su mayoría no quieren salir. esto no es siempre una cuestión de recursos y dinero.

muchas de estas personas no se quieren ir y sé que el Estado español ha reconocido desde hace tiempo este problema en esta situación.

no hay vergüenza en tener todos los países ricos hay barrios en ruinas.
Usted a tocado en el ponto! Mucho se ha dicho sobre las favelas de Brasil, pero nadie ha tocado en lo que usted describe arriba con mucha luz.
 

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Turangalia slums of Europe are higher in Paris.
Why not make a thread.
In this neighborhood there are very few spanish.
No find any thing better in Spain to open a thread,
The threads of beatiful neighborhoods just puts France
 

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That is horrid as is the one in Paris. I had no idea such conditions existed in Western Europe. I know there is, like everywhere, poverty but those are third world conditions. Canada has similar housing situations but they are exclusively in isolated Northern Indian settlements but nothing even remotely like that near any major city.

On another note...........why does Canada's name keep getting pulled thru the mud? Auschwitz Concentration Camp had a huge section named Canada {spelt Kanada in the German}. I find it very odd as Canada is not of European origin. Canada is a native word. When the French made it to Canada and first met the natives the French asked the where they were or the name of the place. Naturally the natives didn't understand a word of it and instead motioned them to "canada" which really meant "come to my village/houses."

A little Canadiana there but begs the question why Canada gets stuck with such vile places?
 

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ha sido que el Estado español quiere destruir y arrasar el barrio, pero no es fácil de trasladar a 40.000 personas que en su mayoría no quieren salir. esto no es siempre una cuestión de recursos y dinero.

muchas de estas personas no se quieren ir y sé que el Estado español ha reconocido desde hace tiempo este problema en esta situación.

no hay vergüenza en tener todos los países ricos hay barrios en ruinas.
En el texto de introduccion se dice hay habitantes de RUMANIA,MARRUECOS y PORTUGAL.Informes policiales sacados en medios de comunicacion alertaban sobre la presencia de albano-kosovares dedicados al trafico de armas y esto es muy peligroso para la convivencia ,en cuanto al ´´ESTADO ESPAÑOL``algo que no existe ,existe la NACION: ESPAÑA y los ciudadanos ESPAÑOLES y si los ´´ESTADOS`` RUMANO,MARROQUI,PORTUGUES no pueden atender a sus ciudadanos NO los sufridos ciudadanos españoles .
Y luego esta el NO SE QUIEREN ,no se quieren por que alli solo existe su ley ,que no tiene nada que ver con la ley española e irse a otro sitio implicaria pasar por aro de que la ley es para todos y dejarse de ´´patriarcas``
 

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Turangalia slums of Europe are higher in Paris.
Why not make a thread.
In this neighborhood there are very few spanish.
No find any thing better in Spain to open a thread,
The threads of beatiful neighborhoods just puts France
i said that paris is not only the champs elysees and louis vuitton stores.
you can find such shanties in every rich cities in the world.
paris has bad districts too but less and madrid is not only Gran Via.
why always showing the best the nicest ? i am not a tourist who wants only to see the top the most beautiful.
i want to see the reality

french authorities are destroying every day camps around paris and the next day they rebuild their shelters 10 km away
in these small camps around Paris generally are living 100 people maximum in each camp.
in winter they sleep in hostels.

U.S. media presented the Paris suburbs as obsolete after the riots, which is totally false, just the opposite....paris is not detroit...washington city or nyc
 

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Strange how some say: "no, they are gypsies, or illegal immigrants". Someone in Brazil could say: "Most of the favelas inhabitants are black people" or in Mexico some many of mexicans could say "Naucalpan is not in DF"...So what?...gypsies or not, they are Spanish, black o not they are Brazilian, in DF or not Naucalpan is in Mexico. And, wherever they are, they are ugly, symbol of poverty and should be eradicated!
 

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Strange how some say: "no, they are gypsies, or illegal immigrants". Someone in Brazil could say: "Most of the favelas inhabitants are black people" or in Mexico some many of mexicans could say "Naucalpan is not in DF"...So what?...gypsies or not, they are Spanish, black o not they are Brazilian, in DF or not Naucalpan is in Mexico. And, wherever they are, they are ugly, symbol of poverty and should be eradicated!
You right! =D
 

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^^

what are you going to do with the thousands that live in the slums after you eradicate their homes? simply deport them?

a country isn't truly developed if it can't, or refuses, to help those who are in need.
 
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