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Manchester Access to Cruise Liner Terminal

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Nerd was interested in this. This gives direct access from Manchester or any place with an electric train line, to the Liverpool Cruise Liner terminal. Cruising is big business and direct access can be via an underground rail station directly into terminal. If Liverpool got its act together. This means people in the North West need not travel to Southampton and the cruise liner is only minutes away. People could take weekend cruises by just hopping on a train directly into the ship.

Putting the Cruise liner floating stage in front of Princes Dock was rather foolish. It would have been better in front of the Three Graces and starting not far from entrance from the old Manchester Dock. It floats and can be moved, or extend it, as it will need it when it becomes busy. Terminal buildings can be on the river front.

Tunnels and a second lift shaft can be sunk into James St station at the river end of the long platforms to bring people up to ground level right in the terminal at the river front. The 6 car platforms run under Mann Island from the James St entrance west to the river. The end of the platforms are not far from the riverbank above.

The Liverpool to Wigan and Manchester lines are currently being electrified. This means the next stage is the completion of the east-west Crossrail line, after 40 years of waiting, using the old Stephenson Tunnel from Edge Hill to Central and re-using the Central to James St tunnel again for passengers. It gives a Merseyrail Crossrail Line from any Wirral terminal to St.Helens/Wigan.

Passengers as far away as Manchester, and even further beyond using dual voltage trains, overhead wires and 3rd rail, can go directly to the cruise liner terminal. Yes, right into the underground section of Liverpool and onto the Wirral. So, from even the centre of Manchester to a cruise liner terminal using an underground station directly to the ship. It would be the only cruise liner terminal in the world with its own underground station.


Above: The east-west Cross rail is in black. The line is more direct that the map. The Stephenson tunnel is from Edge Hill to Central. James St station is at the Pier Head.

All so obvious and all so easy to do. The cruise liner terminal will be then a massive success.


  • Light blue: is the floating Cruise liner terminal which can be extended or moved
  • Red: can be Cruise liner terminal buildings.
  • Green: is the actual location of the underground James St platforms.
  • Yellow: is where a Cruise liner/Pier Head entrance to James St station can surface.
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"Cruising is big business"

*chortle*
It is. Look at the new ships being built all over the world. It maybe not your cup of tea but million in Britain love it. People in the North West have a super-easy to get to cruise liner terminal.

All it needs is lift shafts sunk at the western end of the James St platforms. For now passenger can go to Lime St and take the Merseyrail two stops and they are there. When the east-west Crossrail is done, after 40 years of waiting and it was actually started, then trains from even Manchester can go directly to the cruise liner terminal - you could emerge into the building. Direct access for much of the North West.
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I think Meadows was making a joke, as in...

"Cruising" sometimes means "relaxing".

Relaxing isn't big business, quite the opposite.
"Cruising is big business"

*chortle*
I think Meadows was making a joke, as in...

"Cruising" sometimes means "relaxing".

Relaxing isn't big business, quite the opposite.
I actually think he meant something more along the lines of that which George Michael has (alledgedly) done... :lol:
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John has come up with some very good points here. Please engage him in earnest discussion and learn of his other great plans for Liverpool and get him to design you an underground rail network whilst he's at it and then ask him if he likes trams.

I think he has some very interesting plans for the Manchester Ship Canal as well.

The only problem I can see is that he may enjoy being on the Manchester forum so much that he won't want to post on the Liverpool one and that would be awful wouldn't it?:eek:hno::eek:hno:
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I think Meadows was making a joke, as in...

"Cruising" sometimes means "relaxing".

Relaxing isn't big business, quite the opposite.
Fucking hell you’re so young. Cruising is what old men do around Piccadilly Basin and the area around Lemmars, praying on young boys like you.
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Isn’t it from which gay club ‘Cruz’ gets its name?
Fucking hell you’re so young. Cruising is what old men do around Piccadilly Basin and the area around Lemmars, praying on young boys like you.
Don't say that, you might give him ideas :)
John has come up with some very good points here.
This is very confused poster. I wonder if he "cruises"
I think Meadows was making a joke, as in...

"Cruising" sometimes means "relaxing".

Relaxing isn't big business, quite the opposite.
:lol:
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It would be the only cruise liner terminal in the world with its own underground station.
I wonder why that idea has never caught on?
I wonder why that idea has never caught on?
You would think in NYC the cruise terminal would have a subway but it doesn't. I imagine the people going on a cruise don't want want to carry a load of baggage on the subway as they generally have money to get a taxi. People using the airport are a more mixed demographic with some who will use the subway and some who use taxis and limo companies into Manhatten.
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I wonder why that idea has never caught on?
Because no one has ever built one. Liverpool can have one only by sinking a lift shaft to the other end of the underground station platforms. The elevators can emerge inside a cruise liner terminal. Direct access.

When the east-west Crossrail line is completed, then direct access from Manchester. The station and terminal will serve the whole of the North West and beyond. The North West own cruise liner terminal.

James St station's entrance was put where is it because Manchester Dock (how fitting), Chester Basin and George's Dock were between the current entrance and the river front. They are now not there and filled in. James St station pre-dates the buildings at Liverpool's Pier Head. Sinking a new elevator shaft puts it all right.
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The point uklad1979 is correct and is the reason why this is a stupid idea.

Nobody going on a cruise for weeks or months is going to want to lug their luggage around the railway system, let alone an underground. People going on cruises are rich and can afford a taxi.

So, can we stop stop discussion now?
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This is one massive epic ''merseyfail''. In the unlikely event I find myself in that small section of society that like to be stuck on a boat for a holiday, I wouldn't want to get there on the scouse underground system commuter service through a long tunnel. If you did get the train to Liverpool, a taxi from Lime Street ain't gonna break the bank compared to the cruise tickets. An underground stop just for the cruise liner facility? Really justfiable? I've seen some crazy suggestions for Metrolink but they pale in comparison to this. It's nucking futs :crazy:
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Not a fan of cruising (either around the Med or Piccadilly Basin) but I recall seeing a woman on a XCountry Southampton train from Picc. a few years back going on a cruise and sitting near me with four huge suitcases.

Not the sort of stuff I would want to hoist around a local rail network, really.

However, for people who have the dosh and like cruises (on a boat that is)
that people from the northern half of England wouldn't have to travel to Southampton seems like a good idea. Would prefer to arrive at Lime Street and take a cab 'though myself.
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Not a fan of cruising (either around the Med or Piccadilly Basin) but I recall seeing a woman on a XCountry Southampton train from Picc. a few years back going on a cruise and sitting near me with four huge suitcases.

Not the sort of stuff I would want to hoist around a local rail network, really.

However, for people who have the dosh and like cruises (on a boat that is)
that people from the northern half of England wouldn't have to travel to Southampton seems like a good idea. Would prefer to arrive at Lime Street and take a cab 'though myself.
Cruise trains with remote check in at Piccadilly can be arranged. You do not see your bags until in your cabin. The train can have one car for the luggage. Takes you directly into the Cruise liner terminal. You are more likely to take a cruise if getting to the ships is super simple and easy.
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So, can we stop stop discussion now?
You can just stop posting if you like and ignore the thread. No one is forcing you to join in on improving matters for Mancunians.
An underground stop just for the cruise liner facility? Really justfiable? I've seen some crazy suggestions for Metrolink but they pale in comparison to this. It's nucking futs :crazy:
Except the James St Station access, suggested by Merseyrail, would bring visitors out by the new Museum of Liverpool and Mann Island development plus link into Albert Dock and the very edge of the Liverpool Waters Scheme (A classic Peel proposal that seems to create no transport infrastructure- probably relying on public money much later to rectify that as they did with Salford Quays). James St station I recall is a bottleneck at the best of times so providing another exit does make sense.

Ultimately if Liverpool wants to fund a mainline route to this area of their city, I see an opportunity to flood their Tourist Information centres with leaflets about how international visitors can escape the dull idolatry of a moptop skiffle band and the anthropological experience of Scousers in a shopping arcade to access more interesting destinations in the Manchester area.
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