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Manchester more dangerous than New York said American gunman

An American visitor who fired a handgun in Manchester persuaded a court that he was carrying the weapon because the city was more dangerous than his native New York.

Three judges at London's Criminal Appeal Court heard that Bruce Anthony Lee, 22, was intimidated by the "hostile" and "alien" environment while staying in the Longsight district and also chose to wear a bullet-proof vest.

He was in Manchester last December for the funeral of a cousin who had been killed in a gang battle.

Lee, who has no previous convictions, claimed he found the gun in a bush and fired it towards a police officer who was chasing him through the Ardwick housing estate.

He was jailed for five years at Manchester Crown Court in April and recommended for deportation.

That sentence was criticised as "unduly lenient" by the Attorney General, Baroness Scotland QC.

Zoe Johnson, a barrister representing the Attorney General, asked the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips, Mrs Justice Dobbs and Mr Justice Underhill to increase it.

She said officers "require the protection of the courts, now more than ever".

But the application was refused after Lee's barrister, Michael Goldwater, pointed out the dangers lurking in Manchester.

"(Lee) was thrust into an alien environment and, though it pains me to say this as a Mancunian, New York is a very law-abiding city these days, whereas Manchester is rife with gun crime," the barrister said.

Mr Goldwater also submitted that, whilst the sentence was lenient, it was not unduly so as Lee had pleaded guilty to firing the gun in the general direction of the officer, with intent to frighten, not to injure or kill him, although he accepted that someone could have been hurt.

Lord Phillips said: "The facts of this case are unusual. Here the intention to which he pleaded guilty was simply a momentary use of the firearm with intent to frighten.

"In all the circumstances, we think that Mr Goldwater's assessment of the position is accurate.

"While this is undoubtedly a lenient sentence, it is not an unduly lenient one, calling for the intervention of this court."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/218...erous-than-New-York-said-American-gunman.html
Everytime I go away am told ohhhh be careful its a bad place. I'll just say I walked from Longsight once and everyone should back off. :lol:
 

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well, maybe!

Just been watching one of those docs on the crime channel about Dr Shipman... so the gun men may not be any more dangerous, but the doctors certainly are! You should have seen the priest as well.. straight out a scene from the Excorcist!
 

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For the record there were 494 reported homicides in NYC in 2007

In a city of 8,274,527 that 's one for every 16,750 people.

The latest statistics I can find for Greater Manchester are April 2005 - March 2006 with 45 homicedes.

In a population of 2,539,043 that's one for ever 56,423 people
 

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bollocks, first time I went NY I stayed in a very nice American youth hostel and without exaggeration I heard gun shots every night while lying in bed, and every morning on the local news there were stories of cab drivers getting blown away in the Bronx and robbed the night before, this guy is talking SHIT.
 

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"Gosh its just soooooooooo amazing what you can find located in shrubs in Europe, Bruce."

"Oh my Goooooooood, its a firearm. Sure officer you wont mind if I discharge right here and now?"

Erm being deported pretty much f$$ks his chances of returning to the EU in this life. If he so wants to after his lickle spell in prison, although it is rumoured that when given the choice of serving his sentence through community service in Ardwick, he chose the nick instead.
 

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I live 2 hours south of NYC and have visited and stayed in NYC many times. I also have a friend who lives in Manchester , longsight on pink bank lane and I have been there 7 times during the last 5 years. From my experience I can tell you that longsight is pretty bad . I feel a lot safer walking in most parts of NYC city with the exception of Harlem and some parts of the Bronx than I do when I am in Longsight. I think this community has been neglected by the city because of the fact that many immigrants live in that area. I don’t believe this guy in this particular case but I do agree that longsight is a dangerous place.
 

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I might be wrong, but i'm sure the song 'NY' by Doves was written due to MCR being a place where one was more likely to get shot than in New York; during some month in 1999. ??
 

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For the record there were 494 reported homicides in NYC in 2007

In a city of 8,274,527 that 's one for every 16,750 people.

The latest statistics I can find for Greater Manchester are April 2005 - March 2006 with 45 homicedes.

In a population of 2,539,043 that's one for ever 56,423 people
Surely it would be a bit higher in the city of Manchester or Manchester postal area though?
 
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