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do you guys think taiwan should legalize gambling and if so build a casino on matsu?

i like the fact that a big name prestigious foreign firm with tons of experience building resorts around the world would be investing in taiwan. but i prefer they build on taiwan itself, not all the way in matsu. for one thing, who's to say if there's a military conflict between china and taiwan china won't one day forcefully take over matsu at will after all the investment's been completed? since matsu is so close to china, matsu would obviously be the first target. and second, i think taiwan proper itself needs international standard resorts.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2012/07/12/taiwan-asias-next-gambling-destination/

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the political implications of a casino on matsu is AWESOME! Since we have fortifications there, if China attacks, there will be a lot of foreign collateral, which will serve well to unite the world against China.
 

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there's no fortifications there anymore or wont be soon. havent u read the news? kmt govt been taking out all the mines and wants to turn the islands into travel desitinations. which is why they been voting to allow gambling there.
 

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I think building resorts at Matsu or Penghu will be great. It will boost Taiwan's GDP and Tourism. I don't like the idea of building casinos on Mainland Taiwan. The thought that you can just take a train or drive to the casino whenever you want is bad. But if they build it on a island and you need to fly there, people will get discouraged go there. Matsu's casino will mainly attract people from Taiwan and China anyway, I think its quite a strategic location. Turning the whole island into a top tourist destination is a great idea.
 

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they shouldve built it on penghu if it was allowed as it's closer to taiwan than matsu. matsu will be swarmed by mainlanders who might just take it over some day.
 

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they shouldve built it on penghu if it was allowed as it's closer to taiwan than matsu. matsu will be swarmed by mainlanders who might just take it over some day.
Matsu will be swarmed by east-coast Mainlanders looking for a closer resort than Macau. Smart move, IMO.

That said, though, if the goal is to get more tourists from the Mainland, wouldn't Kinmen be a better location?
 

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penghu would've been ideal for a casino. it's more in the middle between taiwan and china but closer to taiwan. if they build it on matsu, i dont see how that would benefit taiwanese citizens. they would hire matsu and mainland workers. most taiwanese would consider it too far to relocate to matsu to live/work there. im thinking more in the line how this would benefit TAIWAN and TAIWANESE. this would only benefit the casino operator which is weidner resorts.
 

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I think building resorts at Matsu or Penghu will be great. It will boost Taiwan's GDP and Tourism. I don't like the idea of building casinos on Mainland Taiwan. The thought that you can just take a train or drive to the casino whenever you want is bad. But if they build it on a island and you need to fly there, people will get discouraged go there. Matsu's casino will mainly attract people from Taiwan and China anyway, I think its quite a strategic location. Turning the whole island into a top tourist destination is a great idea.

they dont have to build casinos in taiwan. they can build non-casino resorts like in hawaii, the caribbean, etc. taiwan needs more expertise in how to develop their tourist industry and get their existing hotels/resorts up to international standards. that way they can also attract more international tourists and not just focus solely on local/china tourists.
 

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^^

Any casino built on Matsu or Penghu will be swarmed with PRC tourists just like Shilin and Taipei 101 is today. Knowing this,the locals and other international tourists will probably avoid the place like the plague.

As for design, you can bet it will be tacky with 'Chinese characteristics'
 

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its much harder to swarm taiwan and penghu than it is to swarm matsu. look at a map. matsu is literally 5feet from china! Chinese citizens and military can swim to matsu if they wanted to and no one can stop them. not enuff police and miitary based there.
 

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Penghu residents voted "no" for Casinos in the county. Referendum was held 3 years ago and casino was rejected by the residents. Power of democracy!
 

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honestly i dont even know why taiwan bothers to keep matsu and kinmen. they are cold war relics, meant to be a base for taiwanese troops to hold off the commies decades ago when china was stil poor and militarily inferior. now that china can just take those islands in ten minutes especially since taiwan has demilitarized them, why bother keeping those islands? especially since they are so physically far from taiwan and just a coupl feet from china.
 

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Taiwan will not and should not give up Kinmen and Matsu, it is the first line defense. You are right about it will not last even for hours but it will atleast buy time for Mainland Taiwan to prepare for war. Those two island groups is a strategic location for Taiwan and for the US. A lot of the surveillance and intelligence is based in Kinmen. The government's strategy to build a resort/casino in Matsu is clever. 1. It will bring revenue to the local government and national government and it will create a buffer zone and prevent China from bombarding the island because the island will have a lot of civilians.

However, building holiday resorts in Matsu is just a dream. The government will need to spend couple of hundred billion NTD in basic infrastructure to let this happen. If the company thinks that they can create another Macau, think again! Expanding or building a new airport in Matsu will already cost atleast 100 billion NTD (they need to reclaim land to build this airport), Water infrastructure is non-existent so they will need to build it to serve the potential 5million tourists a year. Electricity will be a big problem as well, they need to build to serve the 24/7 casino, water, hotels, airport. Wind power might be a solution but it will be very expensive. Roads and bridges to travel between airports and other islands will cost a lot as well. With a population of 3000, will the government spend so much money on infrastructure?

I understand that the residents in Matsu wants better infrastructure, that is why they voted for the casino, but will the government commit to this? The casino group is going to spend 60 billion NT on the island but the other work around it. If this does go ahead, there will be a lot of migrants from Taiwan that will migrate their to look for opportunities. 3000 people cannot serve the 5million tourists predicted to go in and out of Matsu per year.
 

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Btw, what's the general of opinion of most Taiwanese with regards to introducing casino gambling in the country?

Are most locals open to it (i.e. source for tourism and revenues)? Or are they fearful of the negative social implications that casino gambling will bring upon Taiwanese society?
 

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mostly the negative social impacts I think. Matsu only voted because they want improved public infrastructure
 

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during wars, civilians are the last concern. you think the chinese commie govt. would care about not bombarding matsu/kinmen cuz of the civilians there judging from their history?? they have 1.3 billion people to take care of. whats a couple thousand lives to them? we are talking about the commie govt. here. and why bother spending all that money to build up the infrastructure when it will only be taken over by china anyway. let them spend the money.
 

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not just those civilians.. what if there was American or European nationals gambling or taking a holiday in Matsu when they bombard Matsu? It's going to make a BIG international incident. Don't forget, its not only the US military we are talking about here. US allies like Japan, Korea, Philippines and Australia will be there. Not to mention other alliances like NATO will come to assistance if a war breaks out and it involves civilians. They wont make a move!

Your argument is totally fraud. Taiwan will be taken over by China anyway as well, why are we spending all the money on Mainland Taiwan?
 

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China will likely bypass Kinmen and Matsu and attack Taiwan directly, Kinmen and Matsu are of no meaning now when China has modern warships, aircraft, missiles which can easily reach Taiwan without even touching the islands
 

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Your argument is totally fraud. Taiwan will be taken over by China anyway as well, why are we spending all the money on Mainland Taiwan?

i was referring to kinmen/matsu not taiwan itself. taiwan doesnt need kinmen/matsu. i doubt americans/europeans would vacation there. i dont think even many go to macau.
 

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In my opinion, building an IR (casino, hotel, mall etc) on an island just off China is a very good idea. Many here have already expressed the idea that being near to where visitors are coming from and having other visitors from around the world in a place which 'might be militarily taken over by China' is an excellent idea. Also, being physically far away from Taiwan mainland protects the locals from gambling.
 
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