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So the issue is the public transport at Mernda, not the public transport getting to the beach.
By saying it is only 'at Mernda' makes it seem as if it is isolated to one individual suburb, not an issue across the city. All lines to the north and west of the city have abysmal service on Sunday mornings, for example. People travelling from the west and south-east and south will most likely use routes that include buses which also have very poor service.

The problem is the public transport network as a whole is not well equipped for many kinds of trips. Sure, Sunday timetables are just something ridiculous in and of themselves; but weekend services overall are quite poor (especially on the bus network).

Beach trips also tend to involve non-radial trips (eastern suburbs to the south for example), tend to occur on weekends on public holidays - when public transport services are lower and congestion is also lower; and often involve multiple people travelling together and carrying a bunch of stuff, which makes driving advantageous.

So there is poor service, not as much disincentive to drive (parking can be a pain, but not as bad as a peak hour CBD trip), some natural advantages to driving. I can easily see why driving to the beach is much more attractive.
 

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1hr and 10min interchange time?
No, that is the service frequency.

The trains arriving from the Mernda line at Flinders St on the standard Sunday timetable are: 6:46am then 7:58am. That is a 1 hour and 12 minute gap between services. Have a look through the timetables.

Depending on origin and destination, travel times are not necessarily terrible. Mernda is a nightmare to get to by road, so the comparison is not as bad as the train takes also a very direct route. Unfortunately the train frequency is abysmal.
This reminds me, there were murmurs on Railpage of a rewrite of the master timetable to lift frequencies across a few lines happening this year. Does anyone know if those rumours ever substantiated?
 

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No, that is the service frequency.

The trains arriving from the Mernda line at Flinders St on the standard Sunday timetable are: 6:46am then 7:58am. That is a 1 hour and 12 minute gap between services. Have a look through the timetables.

Depending on origin and destination, travel times are not necessarily terrible. Mernda is a nightmare to get to by road, so the comparison is not as bad as the train takes also a very direct route. Unfortunately the train frequency is abysmal.
There is a 7:04am train that leaves Mernda on a Sunday. I'm unsure at what timetable you are looking at.


Also, the origin does matter. You are trying to stay in an area that is not very central or high density. It's quite suburban. Yes our could be better, however in most places in the world you would find examples of hard to connect origin and destinations, particularly on Sundays or public holidays.
 

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Melbourne's service at those times is hilariously bad compared to even Sydney, but it's probably considered excellent compared with much US suburbia where I doubt any service probably runs within 10 miles on a Sunday.

Sydney has trains running every 15 minutes on a Sunday from 3:45am onwards leaving places equivalent in distance to Pakenham FFS :nuts:
 

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What are you talking about? You can catch multiple trams to the beach, it's a few minutes to St Kilda from the city. The train takes you to Williamstown Beach, Sandringham Beach, Brighton Beach, Mentone Beach, Mordialloc, Chelsea, Bonbeach, Seaford and even Frankston if you're feeling adventurous. I catch the train to the beach, then have dinner or lunch in the city all the time.
Why did you assume from the CBD? I didn't say CBD. It was in fact Nunawading. But I didn't say where it was from.

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

When was this? Did you assume it was recent. It was 25 years ago. I didn't say when it occurred.

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

What time was the train and bus (and that was the combination just to get to the CBD, let alone the beach) starting on a Sunday? Not 7am (that was the time I did mention)

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

THREE STRIKES.
 

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There is a 7:04am train that leaves Mernda on a Sunday. I'm unsure at what timetable you are looking at.


Also, the origin does matter. You are trying to stay in an area that is not very central or high density. It's quite suburban. Yes our could be better, however in most places in the world you would find examples of hard to connect origin and destinations, particularly on Sundays or public holidays.
Nonsense.

If you were at Norsborg, in the south western suburbs of Stockholm, on a Sunday morning in the cold and dark and probably wet, and felt like catching a train to the city or onwards, your first option is the 05:17.

And yes, this is outer-suburban. Full-on countryside is minutes away by road.

Let's face it - AUSTRALIAN PT IS FUBAR.
 

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And the first option from Mernda was earlier.

Of course there are many cities with better public transport than Melbourne, there are many that are also far far worse. But to argue that a current hour trip time to the beach on a Sunday from inland suburbs is horrible or unattainable is complete rubbish.


And yes, the origin does absolutely matter.
 

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There is a 7:04am train that leaves Mernda on a Sunday. I'm unsure at what timetable you are looking at.
I specifically said arriving Flinders St from Mernda. But note also that the same headway applies, the previous train departs one hour and ten minutes earlier? So there's no difference. The timetables are not that complicated to understand surely?

The other point is, sure this is Mernda, but it is also Preston on the line - I would say Preston is pretty dense and not an outer suburb at all. It also similarly applies to places like Essendon, Ivanhoe, Sunshine, Heidelberg etc. I would not consider those to be sparely populated outer suburbs.

So does the argument then becomes, it's fine if you just exclude the vast majority of Melbourne which lies far beyond the reach with the inner tram network and major rail hubs and a few sections of the rail network. Then is there a surprise that people are driving - because the vast majority of Melbourne does not live at Richmond station or somewhere similar?
 

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Wait, are we talking about getting to the beach? Or getting to Flinders Street? I'm struggling to see why a significant number of people would be leaving Mernda (or anywhere on the outer of that line) at 7am to go to the beach for the day. Melbournians are renowned for starting the day late when they are socialising on a day off.

Preston also has the No. 11 and No. 48 tram. It's not exactly without PT early on Sunday.
 

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We would only leave at 7/8am when heading down the surf coast or Mornington Peninsula. We used to leave the northern suburbs around 10am to be down at Chelsea at 11/11:30am then spend a good 6/7 hours on the beach and head back into the inner city for dinner and drinks.
 

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Why did you assume from the CBD? I didn't say CBD. It was in fact Nunawading. But I didn't say where it was from.

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

When was this? Did you assume it was recent. It was 25 years ago. I didn't say when it occurred.

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

What time was the train and bus (and that was the combination just to get to the CBD, let alone the beach) starting on a Sunday? Not 7am (that was the time I did mention)

READING COMPREHENSION FAIL.

THREE STRIKES.
Lol grow up moron. No I didn't assume the CBD, that was an example I was giving, READING COMPREHENSION FAIL. If you're giving a specific example maybe don't say something broad and stupid like in Melbourne "there was no public transport", and what kind of anecdote involves you laughing at an exchange student about a very specific timetable gripe about trains at 7am on a Sunday. Don't be histrionic and maybe actually write down what you're trying to say.

Melbourne runs very poor weekend and off-peak frequencies, but we have many more beaches on the rail network than Sydney (where you can't get to any of the northern beaches or the easter suburb beaches including Bondi via train). Running more trains is a very solvable problem, and generally it's not as bad as your (super interesting) 25 year-old example represents.
 

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Melbourne runs very poor weekend and off-peak frequencies, but we have many more beaches on the rail network than Sydney (where you can't get to any of the northern beaches or the easter suburb beaches including Bondi via train).
Agreed, Sydney doesn't rely on trains to get to the beach, it’s not flat like Melbourne. The bus to bondi starts prior to 6 am on saturdays and is at least every 10 minutes. The ferry to Manly was starts prior to 7 am on Saturday. ( every 30 minutes)
 

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Lol grow up moron. No I didn't assume the CBD, that was an example I was giving, READING COMPREHENSION FAIL. If you're giving a specific example maybe don't say something broad and stupid like in Melbourne "there was no public transport", and what kind of anecdote involves you laughing at an exchange student about a very specific timetable gripe about trains at 7am on a Sunday. Don't be histrionic and maybe actually write down what you're trying to say.

Melbourne runs very poor weekend and off-peak frequencies, but we have many more beaches on the rail network than Sydney (where you can't get to any of the northern beaches or the easter suburb beaches including Bondi via train). Running more trains is a very solvable problem, and generally it's not as bad as your (super interesting) 25 year-old example represents.
I wasn't laughing at an exchange student, I was laughing at Melbourne, its public transport and (thinking into the future here) people on internet boards who whould defend Melbourne and its public transport.

The 'very specific timetable gripe' was in fact a reflection on the WHOLE ATTITUDE to public transport in Melbourne, then and now. That it is only a welfare case, provided for people with no other options. The poor and destitute. Everyone else would drive.

Which is NOT how Germans (like this exchange student) would feel about it, whether their nearest beach is only a patch of Lake Constance or the chilly Baltic.

They might drive, after all, they make Mercs, Beemers, Audis, Volks and so on (unlike us) so they clearly aren't anti-motor vehicle. But they also have trains - in fact they make these too, and they make the equipment that makes railways - the signalling, the track, the electrification, all of it.

These Germans aren't stupid people, but I know which nationality IS, and they are the ones who think you wouldn't run public transport to the beach on a Sunday morning, because, you know, people like us drive.
 

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L2 why are they so many SFBs on this board who think you have to be 'loyal' to one city/state. I've lived in 3 of them and I know you've been in at least 3.

Bag the lot of them, I say!
Blah blah blah... to much talk about nothing... someone needs anger management! LOL
 
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