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It's all loooking a bit bleak down there guys, wassup?

Melbourne on the liveability slide
THE AGE
John Elder
June 24, 2007

HOLD your nose — Melbourne is sinking. Not into the sea, but in the international rankings of the world's most liveable cities. Where just a couple of years ago Melbourne sat at the top, we're now on the slide, with Sydney ahead of us in two high-profile polls.

The Australian press tends to focus on the The Economist Intelligence Unit's liveability survey, which Melbourne topped in 2003 and 2004. But in 2005 we slipped to No. 2 behind dull-as-dishwater Vancouver.

The just-released Mercer quality-of-life 2007 survey has Melbourne at a shabby 17 for the second year in a row. Sydney sneaks in at No. 9. Now, Monocle magazine, a new and uppity culture rag based in London, has published its inaugural liveability survey. Germany's great urban beer hall, Munich, took out the top spot, while Melbourne is an also-ran at No. 11.

Somehow, Sydney has sleazed into the top 10, at No. 7.

Again, this is most odd when you consider that Monocle rated cities on things such as public transport (Sydney's is arguably worse than our own debacle), environmental initiatives (Monocle all but admits that Sydney doesn't have any) and tolerance of minorities. Cronulla riot, anybody?

Monocle's Jackie Dent, in the International Herald Tribune, wrote: "Melbourne has the scent of continental Europe and Australians love the city for it. The old buildings are beautiful; the new architecture is edgy. Cute cafes erupt from romantic lanes; boulevards are lined with trees …

"The Victoria state government has been active for 20 years in getting this city right, but there are still aches. Trains are overcrowded, trams slow and roads blocked. Rents and house prices are rising due to a housing shortage … The natural beauty is limited: the beaches are uninspiring and the Yarra River is … brown."

As City of Melbourne councillor Catherine Ng sees it: "Buying property is more expensive, rent is more expensive, food is more expensive. How does that make Sydney more liveable?"

State Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu fumed: "It's frightening that we've fallen behind Sydney with all their infrastructure problems … After eight years with all that money and all that power, it's a sad legacy of Steve Bracks."

Top cities
How Melbourne ratesSource: Monocle magazine

1. Munich

2. Copenhagen

3. Zurich

4. Tokyo

5. Vienna

6. Helsinki

7. Sydney

8. Stockholm

9. Honolulu

10. Madrid

11. Melbourne
 

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I never bought these livability studies. I'd reckon Perth and Brisbane would be more livible than Sydney.
 

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Lol, I guess all the forumers who state Melbourne as the world's most 'liveable' -what ever the hell that means - city will have to change their tune.

These lists are the biggest crock of shit since Hey Dad, it's a pity anyone takes them seriously. And yes Melburnians are the worse in this respect; just the fact that some of it's citizens keep bringing up that some musty old economists tabulated that it's the most 'liveable' city in the world, makes it anything but! Get over yourselves!

Sorry :rant: over.
 

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Melbourne is a great city and more liveable than my old home town of Brisbane.

But Sydney has the lifestyle - weather, beaches, the harbour, national parks, better public transport and some of the worlds best restaurants.

Sydney is easily higher in the liveability stakes than Melbourne.
 

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I think it really depends what is classed as livable. Each city has very strong points and very negative points.

It really comes down to what you prefer in a city...another reason why these studies are crap.

On that note, I very rarely hear people go on about how they want to live in Melbourne or Sydney, as most of those people have already moved down. Therefore most of the people up here in Brisbane (unless they are forced to live here with someone else...particularly parents) think that Brisbane is the best city in Australia to live in. It would, I imagine be the same with Mebourne.

When peoples lives change, their priorities can change as well, hence the grey migration, where people go somewhere else to retire. Employment is no longer a facter in their livibility and therefore somewhere else may be more ivible than where they are at the moment.
 

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I often here a lot of Brisbane people say they would like to move to Melbourne (me includued). A few would also like to live in Sydney but generally affordability is the issue.

My personal opinion is Melbourne is 1, Sydney is 2 and Brisbane is 3 but I haven't been to Perth so I can't compare it. I place Sydney behind Melbourne because it is more of a rat race and its congestion takes away some of the appeal to me. Also beyond the inner and northern suburbs some of its suburban areas are pretty feral.

Brisbane suffers due to poor infrastructure (roads, water, public transport, health and education).
 

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^^ I actually think that Melbourne and Sydney suffer under those as well. Our complaining media up here just make it seem worse. Remember, Melbourne has less months worth of water than we do, the health and education is abysmall in every state, public transport I believe is very good for a city of our size and the government is spending lots of money at the moment to improve it. They got caught out with its own success of the integrated ticketing. Re. roads, the really bad ones are being fixed as we speak (Gateway Motorway Kingsford Smith Drive and Ipswich Motorway) and remember they always say that our congestion will be as bad as Sydneys in 20 years if we don't do anything.
 

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Melbourne has far better public transport. You cannot seriously compare our buses to their tram network. Their city is much less congested and doesn't have anywhere near the traffic problems. Brisbane is nearly as bad as Sydney but has less than half of the population.

That aside there is simply more to do in Melbourne and places to go and these places are more accessable. More shopping for example. Brisbane has very poor shopping in comparison. Melbourne does not have the natural beauty of Sydney but then again neither does Brisbane. Melbourne atleast has beaches within 30 mins of its cbd. Brisbane is improving but is a long way behind.
 

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It's all loooking a bit bleak down there guys, wassup?

Melbourne on the liveability slide
THE AGE
John Elder
June 24, 2007

HOLD your nose — Melbourne is sinking. Not into the sea, but in the international rankings of the world's most liveable cities. Where just a couple of years ago Melbourne sat at the top, we're now on the slide, with Sydney ahead of us in two high-profile polls.

The Australian press tends to focus on the The Economist Intelligence Unit's liveability survey, which Melbourne topped in 2003 and 2004. But in 2005 we slipped to No. 2 behind dull-as-dishwater Vancouver.

The just-released Mercer quality-of-life 2007 survey has Melbourne at a shabby 17 for the second year in a row. Sydney sneaks in at No. 9. Now, Monocle magazine, a new and uppity culture rag based in London, has published its inaugural liveability survey. Germany's great urban beer hall, Munich, took out the top spot, while Melbourne is an also-ran at No. 11.

Somehow, Sydney has sleazed into the top 10, at No. 7.

Again, this is most odd when you consider that Monocle rated cities on things such as public transport (Sydney's is arguably worse than our own debacle), environmental initiatives (Monocle all but admits that Sydney doesn't have any) and tolerance of minorities. Cronulla riot, anybody?

Monocle's Jackie Dent, in the International Herald Tribune, wrote: "Melbourne has the scent of continental Europe and Australians love the city for it. The old buildings are beautiful; the new architecture is edgy. Cute cafes erupt from romantic lanes; boulevards are lined with trees …

"The Victoria state government has been active for 20 years in getting this city right, but there are still aches. Trains are overcrowded, trams slow and roads blocked. Rents and house prices are rising due to a housing shortage … The natural beauty is limited: the beaches are uninspiring and the Yarra River is … brown."

As City of Melbourne councillor Catherine Ng sees it: "Buying property is more expensive, rent is more expensive, food is more expensive. How does that make Sydney more liveable?"

State Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu fumed: "It's frightening that we've fallen behind Sydney with all their infrastructure problems … After eight years with all that money and all that power, it's a sad legacy of Steve Bracks."

Top cities
How Melbourne ratesSource: Monocle magazine

1. Munich

2. Copenhagen

3. Zurich

4. Tokyo

5. Vienna

6. Helsinki

7. Sydney

8. Stockholm

9. Honolulu

10. Madrid

11. Melbourne
Wow an anti Melbourne post from a Sydney based forumer. Whats new:lol:
 

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Yeah LOL.
This article is actually the 2nd most read article on THE AGE website ( this ISN'T a SMH story ! ) so it seems to have hit a bit of a nerve down there !
 

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Once again it all depends on what you call "living"
If you idea of living is restaurants and good transport then Melbourne is your city, if its the sights, the beaches, harbour then its Sydney. The weather especially winter, safe streets and friendly folk then maybe its Brisbane...and so on
 

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See if Melbourne never got caught up in such stupid hype all those years ago you're slide would have never existed.
 

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Yeah LOL.
This article is actually the 2nd most read article on THE AGE website ( this ISN'T a SMH story ! ) so it seems to have hit a bit of a nerve down there !
Lets see which Australian city has over the last ten years built 3 new Museums,an Art gallery,new award winning Civic Square, Exhibition Centre, award winning Train Station, a 56,000 capacity covered Sports stadium, a new 14ha public park in the centre of the city,the Worlds tallest residential building, refurbished the largest Sports stadium in the nation and is developing one of the largest dockland urban renewal projects around the World?
Now thats what I call liveability.!
 

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Lets see which Australian city has over the last ten years built 3 new Museums,an Art gallery,new award winning Civic Square, Exhibition Centre, award winning Train Station, a 56,000 capacity covered Sports stadium, a new 14ha public park in the centre of the city,the Worlds tallest residential building, refurbished the largest Sports stadium in the nation and is developing one of the largest dockland urban renewal projects around the World?
Now thats what I call liveability.!
Although this is a typical rant rah rah auslankan post and overly parochial at that, what he is saying is true.

I have never seen all the developments listed in one response, it really is quiet a feat by any measurement to have revampmed a city in the way Melbourne has.
 

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Melbourne is a great city and more liveable than my old home town of Brisbane.

But Sydney has the lifestyle - weather, beaches, the harbour, national parks, better public transport and some of the worlds best restaurants.

Sydney is easily higher in the liveability stakes than Melbourne.
Public transport is hard to comment on firsthand, but good comments about it from forumers and workmates in Sydney seem few and far between http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...to-buy-a-ticket/2007/06/24/1182623748438.html. The rest is just fluff though. The harbour and beaches are lovely...for those who are actually within distance of them. A majority of Sydneysiders aren't living "the lifestyle" in apartments by the water, their stuck in traffic in the suburbs trying to drive home.

It's about liveability for everyone, of all incomes, and locations in the city.
 

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I think transport in Sydney is marginally better than Melbourne but on a world scale they both suck big time!! When I was in Madrid, I was amazed at the efficiency, coverage, cleanliness and reliability of the metro system there. It is not just the metro. Buses are plentiful both around the city itself and to regional areas/cities outside Madrid. The regional train system is amazingly good. Fast train network (AVE) links Madrid with Seville and Barcelona and the government is investing lots of money linking other cities. Need I mention the new underground ring road around Madrid!!

Australia has fallen so far behind in infrastructure it is laughable! I'm actually surprised that Australian cities did so well on this survey.
 
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