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yung mass promotion, no child left behind policy ng DepEd ang enabler ng substandard education. if you read FB reactions about this recent PISA results maraming teachers ganun sinasabi. bawal magbagsak ng estudyante dahil yung school at teacher mananagot. instead na umulit tumuloy lang sa next level until maka graduate wala pala alam, naging diploma mill lang. spoiled din mga estudyante ngayon ang daming bawal gawin compared noon. Apparently madali na rin makakuha ng mataas na grade ngayon kaya madaming honors, yung iba questionable scoring sa acedemics or close lang si teacher/principal sa magulang. it's like corruption in practice already early on.
 

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^^ Kung may mga students left behind, they should be identified and asked to take remedial classes. In many private schools, that is what they do. I think many of us here are products of private school education. That is how i understand by "no child left behind." Yung kapatid ko, she is not good in math so she took Liberal Arts. Nung first year sila, the first class in basic math, they took an assessment exam and then their class was divided, may remedial, may standard and may advanced. So yun, a number of sections were reshuffled so for math subject specifically, nag sama sama mga remedial, standard and advanced. No one left behind. Maybe, doing this early on in grade school and high school will be better for the student.
 

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^^ Just because you're not worried about it doesn't mean the quality of education is not going down. This is not just English , this is Science and Math. This is why the Philippines is dependent on other countries for technology because Science and math is not prioritized. And this attitude of non urgency will just always make the PHilippines a bottom dweller.
And panicking will help improve our quality of education?

Relax. It's our first survey. We're gonna be better next time.
 

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^^ Kung may mga students left behind, they should be identified and asked to take remedial classes. In many private schools, that is what they do. I think many of us here are products of private school education. That is how i understand by "no child left behind." Yung kapatid ko, she is not good in math so she took Liberal Arts. Nung first year sila, the first class in basic math, they took an assessment exam and then their class was divided, may remedial, may standard and may advanced. So yun, a number of sections were reshuffled so for math subject specifically, nag sama sama mga remedial, standard and advanced. No one left behind. Maybe, doing this early on in grade school and high school will be better for the student.
Depende sa school. Kasi kapag ang school is kulang sa teachers and classrooms, usually pinapasa na lang kahit di dapat. Dumalaw ka lang sa kahit anong public school especially sa Metro Manila lalo na yung sobrang daming sections. Yung mga lower sections laging hindi priority and worse double shift pa, minsan pa nga triple shift. Ang pinakamalala na nakita ko is yung dating public school ko and ng mga kapatid ko. Nung time nila double shift na nga, three times a day lang pumapasok in a week.

Pero kahit alam ko na deserve natin yung mababang score medyo duda din ako sa methodology ng PISA. Hindi siya malinaw eh. Tsaka kung mapapansin mo yung sa ibang lugar focused lang sa specific places like sa China pero sa atin di ko sure kung san nila kinuha. Random ba yun? Tsaka paano yung sample size? Eh paano kung ipa-take na lang natin yung mga nasa science schools? :lol:

Di rin natin sure kung ano bang klaseng exam pina-take sa mga students. Meron sa website na dataset kaya lang nakakatamad basahin lahat. Malakas and kutob ko na English yung pina-take na exam sa atin pero sa ibang countries nag-adjust to their local language. Malaki effect nun kasi mababa na rin ang quality ng English skills natin. Kapag mga ganitong studies/surveys/rankings dapat ang una nating inaalam is paano ba yung methodology. Hindi yung basta basta na lang natin ia-aacept as gospel truth.
 

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Dumbing Down of Education... Bad enough that we had lost Spanish Language...
Not sure what the K to 12 will do to the future of young people other than it will delay them by a few years from
getting a job/ helping their family/ starting their own family...
Dumbing Down of Mass Media....When Films, TV Series are translated to Pilipino or other vernacular language... Sensationaling News...
Use of English is not Elitist - it is not snubbish... Listening or watching Loren Legarda, Che Che Lazaro, Luchi Cruz, Ces Drilon, Julie Yap Daza, Teddy Boy Locsin, Randy David... Harry Gasser and Cathy Santillan of Newswatch...
DepEd should think of revising or rewriting the Curricula...
Regular High School - Basic Education
Science High School - Basic Education + Science, Mathematics, IT and Reseach
Arts High School - Basic Education with
+ Performing Arts (Music, Dance, Acting - Theatre/ Film/ TV/ Radio) National Arts Centre Makiling
+ Visual Arts (Painting, Sculpture, Ceramics, Designs, Crafts, Films Making) Escuela Talyer
+ Folk Arts (Weaving, Textile Prints, Embroidery, Pottery, Metal Work, Wood Work, Carpentry) TESDA Style
Agricultural High School - Basic Education + Forestry (Rain Forest and Mangroves), Crops, (Planting, Food Production, Food Preservation), Fisheries (River, Lake, Maritime)
Sports High School - Basic Education + Physical Education (Basic Anatomy and Physiology), Body Mechanics, etc

It progress to a degree and career that they would like to do and earn money from....
 

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Those who graduated in the 1970s had Flower Power, Women’s Liberation, Student Activism, Bomba Films, Dictatorship and Communism, Migrant Workers in Middle East, America, Europe Seamen in the High Seas...
Those who graduated in the 1980s (pre and post EDSA) had Political Unrest, Transitional Government (Dictatorship, Revolutionary, Democracy), Cronyism, Brown Outs, Pene and ST Films...
Those who graduated in the 1990s studies were disrupted when their Migrant Parents were displaced by the Iraq-Kuwait Invasions and Asian Economic Crisis has affected Filipinos Working in Japan, Taiwan, Korea... USA had closed recruiting and employing Filipino Workers while U.K. had opened hiring of Nurses and Hospital Workers - Period of uncertainties but cured by TF Films...
Those who graduated in the 2000s when College Education Plans ceased to give payments for countless of students, Rise of Mobile Phones and Computer Shops, USA had restarted hiring while U.K. had slowed down in their hiring... Waning of Film Studios and Rise in Indi Films
Those who graduated in the 2010s never had it so good with Jobs coming to the Philippines, Rise Social Media and Internet Scandals, Rise of Bloggers and Vloggers, Cruise Ships Crews and Rise of Travelling Abroad, Foreign Visitots Staying in Philippines and Finding Paradise...
What will 2020 will be like? What will the education be like? The graduates? With Philippines joining Tiger Cubs and will try to be in Big Tiger Economy Club?
 

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Memorization pa rin kasi ang teaching style. Mga teacher tamad mag-explain, ipapakabisa na lang sa iyo yung multiplication table.
 

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Depende sa school. Kasi kapag ang school is kulang sa teachers and classrooms, usually pinapasa na lang kahit di dapat. Dumalaw ka lang sa kahit anong public school especially sa Metro Manila lalo na yung sobrang daming sections. Yung mga lower sections laging hindi priority and worse double shift pa, minsan pa nga triple shift. Ang pinakamalala na nakita ko is yung dating public school ko and ng mga kapatid ko. Nung time nila double shift na nga, three times a day lang pumapasok in a week.

Pero kahit alam ko na deserve natin yung mababang score medyo duda din ako sa methodology ng PISA. Hindi siya malinaw eh. Tsaka kung mapapansin mo yung sa ibang lugar focused lang sa specific places like sa China pero sa atin di ko sure kung san nila kinuha. Random ba yun? Tsaka paano yung sample size? Eh paano kung ipa-take na lang natin yung mga nasa science schools? :lol:

Di rin natin sure kung ano bang klaseng exam pina-take sa mga students. Meron sa website na dataset kaya lang nakakatamad basahin lahat. Malakas and kutob ko na English yung pina-take na exam sa atin pero sa ibang countries nag-adjust to their local language. Malaki effect nun kasi mababa na rin ang quality ng English skills natin. Kapag mga ganitong studies/surveys/rankings dapat ang una nating inaalam is paano ba yung methodology. Hindi yung basta basta na lang natin ia-aacept as gospel truth.
Mukhang nationwide yung sa atin :
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• The National Capital Region (NCR) achieved the highest Mathematical Literacy average score across all the administrative regions with 385 points.
• Region 7 (Central Visayas) garnered the top average Mathematical Literacy score in the Visayas group of islands, while Region 11 (Southern Mindanao) attained the highest in Mindanao.
• Among the administrative regions, Region 6 (Western Visayas) had the highest percentage (2.74%) of Level 4 proficient students in Mathematical Literacy.
• The mean Mathematical Literacy score of students in urban areas (365 points) was significantly higher than that of students in rural areas (329 points).
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Singapore also came out as number one in Asia for English proficiency at a recent English proficiency ranking . PHils came second. This reinforces my observation from having visited Singapore a month ago, most everyone can speak English , from taxi drivers to market vendors, compared that to my visit 20 years ago when hardly anyone could speak English , so they're making great stride. Meanwhile you talk to a saleslady or taxi driver in the PHils you will get nosebleed as an answer and they will speak broken English hardly intelligible. English skills for the common man on the street is definitely going down in the PHils.
I think one problem with us Filipinos is we are very much obsessed with grammar. If one commits a mistake, the Grammar Nazi (teachers and classmates) feast on that person until he gets discouraged to speak English ever again.

I studied Spanish, and our professors were not too obsessed with grammar. Yes, we were corrected, but the professor move on quickly. However, I had classmates who continued to ridicule them days after committing the error, thus discouraging them. And sure enough, they dropout. This dejection, I believe, is also happening in English.

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Grammar Nazis are telling them: "Give up. There is no hope for you."... Ayun, nag-giveup nga. Thus low English proficiency.
 

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So, you people think K-12 can do magic in relation to this state of Philippine education? There was a large brain drain a long time ago when our teachers opted to cast their luck abroad and teach there! This was a long time coming.

Government just didn't understand how teachers help in the country's progress.

Methinks, all these problems in our country are the results of giving our kids bad education: corruption, moral degradation, crimes, unwanted pregnacies, etc. ---all because we failed to raise a breed of educated youth! We get what we choose to have!:bash::bash::bash:
I agree. Higher salary to attract the brightest people to the teaching profession.
 

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FWIW, similar problems were also seen back in the 1980s. I recall reading about average scores of around 30 pct for Math and English in NCEE. Meanwhile, from that time to the present, we were seeing a dropout rate of around 4-7 pct per school year (leading to up to half of batches not graduating), most teachers (around 70 pct) failing board exams, scores of 40-50 pct for primary and secondary tests, most adults failing civil service exams, etc.

There was even one news report about only 7 (not 7,000 but 7) out of 9,000 motorcycle drivers passing a basic safety exam.
 

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PHL lags in global education survey

In a statement, the Department of Education (DepEd) said that the PISA results reflect the “urgency” to address gaps in improving the quality of basic education in the country.

DepEd also noted its "Sulong Edukalidad" initiative, wherein it will implement “aggressive reforms” in the review and updating of the K-to-12 program, the improvement of learning facilities, the upskilling and reskilling of teachers and school heads, as well as the engagement of stakeholders for support and collaboration.


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I agree. Higher salary to attract the brightest people to the teaching profession.
Public school teachers are already PAID MORE than their private counterparts, except perhaps when you reach professorship. Obviously, teacher's pay is NOT the going to be the solution for better quality education.
 

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I am puzzled at the very low ranking of the Philippines. I thought all the while, with K-12, we have been continually improving our education system. It might surprise you guys to find out that for several years now, the US has been hiring grade school and high school teachers from the Philippines to fill in the shortage of teachers in their country.

There are issues within the US about teacher pay and schools are facing difficulties hiring teachers. (This issue is another long discussion). So how did they address the shortage: Hire from the Philippines similar to the hiring of nurses 20 or so years ago to cope with the US nursing shortage (not anymore now). All those Filipino teachers are screened and their qualifications vetted. I also watched another video of teachers hired for Illinois. Usually, the schools will do a trial hire of 5-10 teachers and then hire more the following year. Andami na Filipino teachers sa America. Especially sa Texas, NY, California, Maryland. I thought Filipino students back in the PH are in good hands since we have very good teachers. Just the other day, i read that more than 83,000 passed the teacher board exams in the Philippines. So marami tayong teachers. That said, I am really concerned to read this news about PISA.
There are also controversies concerning the tests. The tests were not only conducted on 15 year old students but also in some countries, those who took the tests were mainly the brightest students from the most elite and prestigious schools.

They don't send their "average" students to take the exam.
 

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Depende sa school. Kasi kapag ang school is kulang sa teachers and classrooms, usually pinapasa na lang kahit di dapat. Dumalaw ka lang sa kahit anong public school especially sa Metro Manila lalo na yung sobrang daming sections. Yung mga lower sections laging hindi priority and worse double shift pa, minsan pa nga triple shift. Ang pinakamalala na nakita ko is yung dating public school ko and ng mga kapatid ko. Nung time nila double shift na nga, three times a day lang pumapasok in a week.

Pero kahit alam ko na deserve natin yung mababang score medyo duda din ako sa methodology ng PISA. Hindi siya malinaw eh. Tsaka kung mapapansin mo yung sa ibang lugar focused lang sa specific places like sa China pero sa atin di ko sure kung san nila kinuha. Random ba yun? Tsaka paano yung sample size? Eh paano kung ipa-take na lang natin yung mga nasa science schools? :lol:

Di rin natin sure kung ano bang klaseng exam pina-take sa mga students. Meron sa website na dataset kaya lang nakakatamad basahin lahat. Malakas and kutob ko na English yung pina-take na exam sa atin pero sa ibang countries nag-adjust to their local language. Malaki effect nun kasi mababa na rin ang quality ng English skills natin. Kapag mga ganitong studies/surveys/rankings dapat ang una nating inaalam is paano ba yung methodology. Hindi yung basta basta na lang natin ia-aacept as gospel truth.
You can read their methodology if your in doubt. There's even a video in youtube from OECD explaining about PISA. It's done by OECD not by your typical local survey. It's three year period survey hence the last one was 2015 survey; with the use of electronic examination instead of paper-based to ensure reliability of scores. And most of questions in the exam are oriented not on textbook based questions especially for math/science but based on testing analytical skills particularly on applications. As per OECD, China's B-S-J-Z provinces doesn't reflect the whole China's population but it's significant already to gauge China's urban/middle class' quality of education with a combined population of B+S+J+Z to at least 180 million, more than the population of all OECD members except Usa. With regards to PH results, Ph opted to choose English as the medium for the test since English was our medium of instruction according to DepEd. You can blame DepEd/govt for choosing and allowing English instead of Filipino as medium for the test knowing that Pinoys especially students are not that proficient in English. :nuts:
 

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You can blame DepEd/govt for choosing and allowing English instead of Filipino as medium for the test knowing that Pinoys especially students are not that proficient in English. :nuts:
You know, that idea of yours is tantamount to blaming our president just because something bad happened to our education! It is there now. No need to do the blame game!

We can improve things if we will know which areas are being missed. Methinks our education depends heavily on having very good teachers! But, can you bring back those who went abroad?
 

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Methinks our education depends heavily on having very good teachers!
I agree. Looking back, I had a lot of teachers with broken English.

Children are in contact with these teachers everyday.


Sadly, the best communicators are working as Trainers or as Quality Assurance in call centers rather than teachers.
 

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Well, it should NOT be mostly dependent on the teachers. It should be dependent on standards and books.

If you keep passing kids who did poorly because the parents are your friends or they pay you up, then we're not going to improve no matter how brilliant the teacher is.

Standards must be high. And if one doesn't meet the standard, then the kid fails and retakes the subject.
 
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