This is a question for people in midwestern states with two flagship state universities. Are they equals?
Unsually the original one goes under the name Univ of _____. Traditionally it has had the most prestige, has been heavily into the liberal arts and is home to the state's medical and law schools.
The second one, normally named _____ State University, is often a landgrant institution, had a more equalitarian mission, specialized in fields like agriculture and technology, but has changed radically int he last 50 years to meet the needs of a changing society. Far more than in the past, the mission of the two flagships has become more and more alike; their differences far more muted.
The land-grants were once thought of in a lesser light than the original state universities, but they certainly have elevated their status to now being viewed by many as one of two major flagships.
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I'm interested in folks in the various states below have to say about their state's flagships.
In Kansas: do people see KU and K-State as equals, or does Lawrence dominate? How much has K-State's football success affected the school academically due to its high visibility? Is Witchita and schools like it seen a lot differently?
In Oklahoma: how much is OSU viewed as an equal flagship with OU? Does OU benefit from being in the OkC area? Does OSU have a higher profile in Tulsa due to proximity.
In Iowa: How do you see Iowa and Iowa State....are they joint flagships with Northern Iowa seen as a school on another level? I went to the Univ of Iowa for a year (years ago) and at that time, Iowa dominated the state. The impression I get from inside and outside of Iowa is that UI and ISU are very much peer institutions, very similiar in size and scope and academic respect.
In Indiana: Both IU and Purdue have always had major respect. Purdue began as a university and not a college. And academically their rankings have never shown much difference. I can't imagine IU and Purdue not being viewed as flagships and in a different ball park from Ball and Ind St.
In Michigan: Michigan is unique, in a sense. U-M is an overpowering institutions, a hallmark in American public education with an aura few schools can match. In that sense, it must be tough to be MSU, an outstanding institution that has to battle being in-states with the likes of Ann Arbor. That said, MSU is bigger, tends to be more Michigan oriented in enrollment and mission. No midwestern states has two schools of this size, enormous (and prominent) institutions. How does Michigan view U-M and MSU as equal flagships? Is the pecking order in Michigan actually U-M, MSU, Wayne, others? Does MSU hold its own with U-M despite the magic of A2? Are EMU, CMU, and WMU very much in the shaddow of U-M and MSU?
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Some questions for states with one flagship:
In Ohio: OSU is the flagship but Ohio, the oldest of midwestern states, has something special you don't find in other midwestern states: quality second tier state universities that have outstanding reputations and can come up looking like public ivies. How do Ohioans look at such institutions as Miami (in particular) and Ohio U in relationship with OSU? Are BG and Kent looked at in the same light that Miami is? My sense is that they are not.
In Illinois: UIUC is unquestionably the powerhouse in my state. Nobody competes with it. I'd say the second most academically visual institution would be UIC. I would expect that UIC will close the gap with UIUC in the coming years, perhaps in a similiar way that UCLA did with Cal. How do fellow Illinoisians view the pecking order of our state u's? Will NIU benefit from high tech growth on I-88 and being drawn into the Chicago area? How about ISU and SIU?
In Wisconsin: UW-Madison is unchallenged and all state u's are in the UW System. After UW-Madison, is UWM viewed as the second most prominent state university and does it, like Madison, have any preceived edge over other UW's.
In Minnesota: U of M-Twin Cities dominates like nowhere else. I can't imagine any comparison with other state universities (within and outside the U of M system) to it.
In Missouri: Mizzou is the only flagship. It seems like the other campuses in the Univ of Mo system are in its shaddow. Missourians, seems to me that the SWS name change to Mo St U will not really be a challenge to Columbia...right?
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I appreciate any feedback you folks can give in any (and all) of these states. Thanks.
Unsually the original one goes under the name Univ of _____. Traditionally it has had the most prestige, has been heavily into the liberal arts and is home to the state's medical and law schools.
The second one, normally named _____ State University, is often a landgrant institution, had a more equalitarian mission, specialized in fields like agriculture and technology, but has changed radically int he last 50 years to meet the needs of a changing society. Far more than in the past, the mission of the two flagships has become more and more alike; their differences far more muted.
The land-grants were once thought of in a lesser light than the original state universities, but they certainly have elevated their status to now being viewed by many as one of two major flagships.
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I'm interested in folks in the various states below have to say about their state's flagships.
In Kansas: do people see KU and K-State as equals, or does Lawrence dominate? How much has K-State's football success affected the school academically due to its high visibility? Is Witchita and schools like it seen a lot differently?
In Oklahoma: how much is OSU viewed as an equal flagship with OU? Does OU benefit from being in the OkC area? Does OSU have a higher profile in Tulsa due to proximity.
In Iowa: How do you see Iowa and Iowa State....are they joint flagships with Northern Iowa seen as a school on another level? I went to the Univ of Iowa for a year (years ago) and at that time, Iowa dominated the state. The impression I get from inside and outside of Iowa is that UI and ISU are very much peer institutions, very similiar in size and scope and academic respect.
In Indiana: Both IU and Purdue have always had major respect. Purdue began as a university and not a college. And academically their rankings have never shown much difference. I can't imagine IU and Purdue not being viewed as flagships and in a different ball park from Ball and Ind St.
In Michigan: Michigan is unique, in a sense. U-M is an overpowering institutions, a hallmark in American public education with an aura few schools can match. In that sense, it must be tough to be MSU, an outstanding institution that has to battle being in-states with the likes of Ann Arbor. That said, MSU is bigger, tends to be more Michigan oriented in enrollment and mission. No midwestern states has two schools of this size, enormous (and prominent) institutions. How does Michigan view U-M and MSU as equal flagships? Is the pecking order in Michigan actually U-M, MSU, Wayne, others? Does MSU hold its own with U-M despite the magic of A2? Are EMU, CMU, and WMU very much in the shaddow of U-M and MSU?
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Some questions for states with one flagship:
In Ohio: OSU is the flagship but Ohio, the oldest of midwestern states, has something special you don't find in other midwestern states: quality second tier state universities that have outstanding reputations and can come up looking like public ivies. How do Ohioans look at such institutions as Miami (in particular) and Ohio U in relationship with OSU? Are BG and Kent looked at in the same light that Miami is? My sense is that they are not.
In Illinois: UIUC is unquestionably the powerhouse in my state. Nobody competes with it. I'd say the second most academically visual institution would be UIC. I would expect that UIC will close the gap with UIUC in the coming years, perhaps in a similiar way that UCLA did with Cal. How do fellow Illinoisians view the pecking order of our state u's? Will NIU benefit from high tech growth on I-88 and being drawn into the Chicago area? How about ISU and SIU?
In Wisconsin: UW-Madison is unchallenged and all state u's are in the UW System. After UW-Madison, is UWM viewed as the second most prominent state university and does it, like Madison, have any preceived edge over other UW's.
In Minnesota: U of M-Twin Cities dominates like nowhere else. I can't imagine any comparison with other state universities (within and outside the U of M system) to it.
In Missouri: Mizzou is the only flagship. It seems like the other campuses in the Univ of Mo system are in its shaddow. Missourians, seems to me that the SWS name change to Mo St U will not really be a challenge to Columbia...right?
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I appreciate any feedback you folks can give in any (and all) of these states. Thanks.
