Midwestern WORLD Cities

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MABCLE

Discussion Starter · Apr 9, 2006 (Edited)

According to this list compiled by The Globalization and World Cities Study group & Network, The cities in the midwest that are considered World cities are as follows with their point values out of a possible 12.

10pts Chicago

4pts Minneapolis

2pts Cleveland, Detroit

1pt Columbus, Kansas City

What are your thoughts on this list, who should be added/removed?

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Indyman

· #2 · Apr 9, 2006

I wonder why Indy isnt on ther but Columbus and Kansas City made it. surely Indy's racing makes it a world known city along with its other amenities.

JivecitySTL

· #3 · Apr 9, 2006

lol, Columbus and KC made it but no St. Louis? I suspect this is flawed.

EastSider

· #4 · Apr 9, 2006

Indyman said:
I wonder why Indy isnt on ther but Columbus and Kansas City made it. surely Indy's racing makes it a world known city along with its other amenities.

I would think so too. Can we get a link?

JivecitySTL

· #5 · Apr 9, 2006

Here's how I would break it down, based on metropolitan size, economic influence, media market size and other "image" factors:

1. Chicago - clearly Chicago is the only true world city in the Midwest. 9+ million

2. Detroit - 5+ million

3. Cleveland/Saint Louis/Minneapolis - 2.5-3 million

4. Kansas City/Cincinnati/Columbus/Indianapolis/Milwaukee - 1-2 million

Sam_Harmon

· #6 · Apr 9, 2006

JivecitySTL said:
Here's how I would break it down, based on metropolitan size, economic influence, media market size and other "image" factors:

1. Chicago - clearly Chicago is the only true world city in the Midwest. 9+ million

2. Detroit - 5+ million

3. Cleveland/Saint Louis/Minneapolis - 2.5-3 million

4. Kansas City/Cincinnati/Columbus/Indianapolis/Milwaukee - 1-2 million

My guess is that this has to with more than mere population. What I don't know. Foreign born population? Corporate headquarters? Cultural Institutions?

As far as Columbus being listed and Indy being left off, that's strange to me. While I, personally, greatly prefer Columbus, I'll also admit that two cities are quite similar. Unless restaurant scene was a major factor, Indy should also make the 1pt. list.

JivecitySTL

· #7 · Apr 9, 2006

Sam_Harmon said:
My guess is that this has to with more than mere population. What I don't know. Foreign born population? Corporate headquarters? Cultural Institutions?

Even still, where the hell is St. Louis? It is demographically nearly identical to Cleveland, and almost exactly the same size as well. Factor in its medical, academic and cultural communities and it surpasses most Midwest cities except Chicago.

Fortune 500 HQ's

New York - 44
Houston - 23
Atlanta - 14
Dallas - 11
Chicago - 10
Charlotte - 7
Cincinnati - 7
Minneapolis - 7
Philadelphia - 7
Richmond - 7
St Louis - 7
Milwaukee - 6
Pittsburgh - 6
San Francisco - 6
Cleveland - 5
Columbus - 5
Denver - 5
Omaha - 5
San Antonio - 5
Seattle - 5

Once again, this is one of those frivolous rankings that means absolutely nothing.

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MilwaukeeD

· #8 · Apr 9, 2006

JivecitySTL said:
Even still, where the hell is St. Louis? It is demographically nearly identical to Cleveland, and almost exactly the same size as well. Factor in its medical, academic and cultural communities and it surpasses most Midwest cities except Chicago.

Fortune 500 HQ's

New York - 44
Houston - 23
Atlanta - 14
Dallas - 11
Chicago - 10
Charlotte - 7
Cincinnati - 7
Minneapolis - 7
Philadelphia - 7
Richmond - 7
St Louis - 7
Milwaukee - 6
Pittsburgh - 6
San Francisco - 6
Cleveland - 5
Columbus - 5
Denver - 5
Omaha - 5
San Antonio - 5
Seattle - 5

Once again, this is one of those frivolous rankings that means absolutely nothing.

that's kinda interesting that chicago only has 10. that must be within city limits only, not metro. i know milwaukee has more than 6 in the metro.

Sam_Harmon

· #9 · Apr 9, 2006

MilwaukeeD said:
that's kinda interesting that chicago only has 10. that must be within city limits only, not metro. i know milwaukee has more than 6 in the metro.

I'm guessing that list is only comprised of companies in the city limits and doesn't include the entire metro area.

ColDayMan

· #10 · Apr 9, 2006

Columbus is on there for defense and the largest defense government center outside of Washington DC. Though I'm sure other factors were used but that (I remember) being a main one.

Though why they left off Cincinnati, Ohio's most "important" corporate center, I have no idea.

ColDayMan

· #11 · Apr 9, 2006

Though, to "keep it real" again, only Chicago, and minimalistic efforts from Detroit and Minneapolis-St Paul should be taken seriously.

Otherwise, internationally, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, St Louis, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Indianapolis are generally the same, economically/domestically. Sure, one may have a few (even 10ish) billion higher GNP/GDP, one may have *gasps* two more Fortune 500 companies than the other (the horror!), and such but generally on a larger scale, they are all regional centers. Much like Leeds, Liverpool, and Newcastle in England.

MABCLE

Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 9, 2006

I think that list jive posted in city limits only cause Metro Cleveland has 10 or 11 F500's. I know they factor in cultural ammenities, internationally known land marks or buildings (a good argument for STL) and World class banking institutions i.e. Citibank, Bank of America,etc....

Here's the link to the page

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/citylist.html

The anti-cheesehead

· #13 · Apr 9, 2006

MABCLE said:
I think that list jive posted in city limits only cause Metro Cleveland has 10 or 11 F500's.

I know he did because metro Minneapolis has about 20.

Sam_Harmon

· #14 · Apr 9, 2006

ColDayMan said:
Though why they left off Cincinnati, Ohio's most "important" corporate center, I have no idea.

I have to question that. Columbus has an equal number of Fortune 500 companies (5) as Cincinnati, as well as the largest company in Ohio (Cardinal Health--17th).

The total number for Cleveland-Akron is ten; however, their largest company is Goodyear at #137. The largest company actually within the Cleveland city limits is National City Bank at #206.

Now if we're talking self-important, Cincy clearly has no peer in Ohio.

JivecitySTL

· #15 · Apr 9, 2006

^Actually, I got my figures from over on SSP. Someone else posted them. I couldn't find metro Fortune 500s, but I'm sure the cities in question would still be close in number.

Sam_Harmon

· #16 · Apr 9, 2006 (Edited)

2005 Fortune 500

unusualfire

· #17 · Apr 9, 2006

Sam_Harmon said:
I have to question that. Columbus has an equal number of Fortune 500 companies (5) as Cincinnati, as well as the largest company in Ohio (Cardinal Health--17th).

The total number for Cleveland-Akron is ten; however, their largest company is Goodyear at #137. The largest company actually within the Cleveland city limits is National City Bank at #206.

Now if we're talking self-important, Cincy clearly has no peer in Ohio.

Where are you getting your info from? Cincinnati has 11 in the metro and 7 inside the city limits alone. Although they would lose one in next years list but we are talking about 2005 not 2006.

Sam_Harmon

· #18 · Apr 9, 2006 (Edited)

unusualfire said:
Where are you getting your info from? Cincinnati has 11 in the metro and 7 inside the city limits alone. Although they would lose one in next years list but we are talking about 2005 not 2006.

I've linked the 2005 Fortune 500 list above. If you count AK Steel in Middletown, that raises Cincy's total to 6, but is a very questionable inclusion being 37 miles away.

In the city limits:
Kroger-19
Proctor & Gamble-31
Federated-134
Cinergy-393
American Financial-486

In the suburbs:
none

OK, I checked N. Kentucky, and there's two:
Ashland-252
Omnicare-475

That gives 5 in the city and 7 in the metro area. How far of a net are you casting for the metro area? Dayton? Lexington?

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The anti-cheesehead

· #19 · Apr 9, 2006

JivecitySTL said:
I couldn't find metro Fortune 500s, but I'm sure the cities in question would still be close in number.

There was a thread about this here last february and this is the list that was posted:

The Top 10 Metropolitan Areas with Fortune 500 Headquarters in 2004
1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA- 71
2. Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI - 31
3. Houston-Baytown-Sugar Land, TX- 20
4. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA - 18
5. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI - 18
6. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX - 17
7. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI - 16
8. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE - 15
9. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD - 15
10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA - 14

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unusualfire

· #20 · Apr 9, 2006

Sam_Harmon said:
I've linked the 2005 Fortune 500 list above. If you count AK Steel in Middletown, that raises Cincy's total to 6, but is a very questionable inclusion being 37 miles away.

In the city limits:
Kroger-19
Proctor & Gamble-31
Federated-134
Cinergy-393
American Financial-486

In the suburbs:
none

OK, I checked N. Kentucky, and there's two:
Ashland-252
Omnicare-475

That gives 5 in the city and 7 in the metro area. How far of a net are you casting for the metro area? Dayton? Lexington?

LOL your info is wrong.

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