MISC | Graffiti & Vandalism: How serious is the graffiti problem on your city/country's trains?
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No graffitis on Lille's subways and trams but some people love to engrave the train's windows with their keys wich I think is stupid 'coz you can't even wash it! It's not artistic... just ugly!
The orlder regional rail trains usually have graffitis but it's not a real "problem"!
The orlder regional rail trains usually have graffitis but it's not a real "problem"!
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Berlin is the worst if you talk about graffiti.
The subway trains are quite clean because they don´t enter service until they´re cleaned. Of course we have a lot of scratching, and lots of tags, especially in the stations. The newer trains have got cameras, so they look very clean!
The S-bahn trains are not so clean than the subway trains, the s-bahn has a huge scratching problem. Also they don´t clean the graffitis so fast. You´ll see a lot graffitis on s-bahn trains.
They need days until the train will be cleaned.
At the moment the s-bahn is changing the windows because of WM 2006. The trains should look good but the first windows are already scratched completely again.
Here are some pictures:
And this crazy one! Please scroll------------------------------------------------>>>>
The subway trains are quite clean because they don´t enter service until they´re cleaned. Of course we have a lot of scratching, and lots of tags, especially in the stations. The newer trains have got cameras, so they look very clean!
The S-bahn trains are not so clean than the subway trains, the s-bahn has a huge scratching problem. Also they don´t clean the graffitis so fast. You´ll see a lot graffitis on s-bahn trains.
They need days until the train will be cleaned.
At the moment the s-bahn is changing the windows because of WM 2006. The trains should look good but the first windows are already scratched completely again.
Here are some pictures:
And this crazy one! Please scroll------------------------------------------------>>>>
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I really hate graffitis. Good thing Asian metros don't have this problem. Besides that incident in HK I've never seen graffitis on Hong Kong's metro system or public transportation neither in China's, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan or Korea.
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What can be done to eliminate graffiti?
I understand that in New York the train yards are protected by tall fences and are well guarded. Also, the train bodies are all stainless steel to permit the rapid removal of graffiti using chemical solvents.
In order to curtail graffiti, many cities in the United States have resorted to prohibiting the sale of spray paint to minors.
What penalties should be used to deter graffiti "artists"?
There was an infamous case in Singapore several years ago in which a young American was caned for spray painting graffiti. That punishment actually seemed more humane to me than what would have happened to him in an American jail where he could have expected to be raped by a gang of aspiring rap stars.
In addition to criminal penalties, transit agencies should be able to seek civil penalties to cover the cost of taking the trains out of service and repainting them. Transit agencies probably don't bother doing this as the offenders typically wouldn't have the money to pay the penalties. The best the transit agency could hope for is to force the offender or the offender's family into bankruptcy.
Perhaps the best penalty would be to sentence the offenders to a year of cleaning and painting trains. This would leave them with a strong aversion to graffiti and perhaps marketable job skills. Such a penalty would be politically problematic because it would take away union jobs.
I understand that in New York the train yards are protected by tall fences and are well guarded. Also, the train bodies are all stainless steel to permit the rapid removal of graffiti using chemical solvents.
In order to curtail graffiti, many cities in the United States have resorted to prohibiting the sale of spray paint to minors.
What penalties should be used to deter graffiti "artists"?
There was an infamous case in Singapore several years ago in which a young American was caned for spray painting graffiti. That punishment actually seemed more humane to me than what would have happened to him in an American jail where he could have expected to be raped by a gang of aspiring rap stars.
In addition to criminal penalties, transit agencies should be able to seek civil penalties to cover the cost of taking the trains out of service and repainting them. Transit agencies probably don't bother doing this as the offenders typically wouldn't have the money to pay the penalties. The best the transit agency could hope for is to force the offender or the offender's family into bankruptcy.
Perhaps the best penalty would be to sentence the offenders to a year of cleaning and painting trains. This would leave them with a strong aversion to graffiti and perhaps marketable job skills. Such a penalty would be politically problematic because it would take away union jobs.
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I haven't seen graffiti on the outside of a London Underground train for years, since they refused to let trains out of the depots unless graffiti free. However there's alot of scratching on windows and small graffiti. Also, on the overground sections, there is graffiti on bridges and at the sides of the rail line at points.
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I can say with proud: there is no graffiti problem in Moscow metro.
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It hurts a lot to see neat trains/stations sprayed with paint. People who do this should be jailed for at least 10 years. That's my opinion. Sadly, in Germany it seems like they remain unpunished. I think vandalism(=graffiti) is a crime.
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There's also a lot of people who vandalise the seats which has meant that all the seats in the new and refurbished trains are quite hard.
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To my knowledge and experience, Toronto's TTC has no problems with vandalism whatso ever. Be it subway or streetcar.
From time to time, you will see magic marker tagging and small etching in glass but it is almost none existant.
From time to time, you will see magic marker tagging and small etching in glass but it is almost none existant.
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