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Alstom Aims for Rail-Speed Record With Upgraded TGV

Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) --

Alstom SA's TGV train will attempt to set a new rail-speed record of 550 kilometers an hour (342 mph) in coming months using upgraded technology and a faster, straighter line in eastern France.

Alstom and state rail operator Societe Nationale des Chemins de Fer, or SNCF, will seek to extend the TGV's existing record of 515.3 kph on a newly built stretch of track, Philippe Mellier, head of Alstom's transport unit, said in an interview.

``All the elements are in place and we're ready for the challenge,'' Mellier said. ``The line is ready and we have the technology.'' The bid, to be made in February or March, will be announced Monday by French Transport Minister Dominique Perben.

Alstom, the world's second-biggest train maker, has been building the TGV, or Train a Grande Vitesse, for 25 years and set the existing record in 1990. Merrier said that the upgraded train may even reach 570 kph with the help of technology developed for the company's new AGV regional train fleet.

Alstom, which also builds power stations, recorded its first annual profit since 2001 in the 12 months through March after railway operators and utilities placed orders to refurbish older equipment and install new gear.

Next year's record attempt will feature a five-carriage TGV set assembled at Alstom's plant in La Rochelle. The train will draw on 24,000 horsepower from two motorized cars and run on track built by rail-network owner Reseau Ferre de France.

The company has about 450 TGV trains in service in France and overseas markets including Spain and South Korea. The train also runs on the Thalys network operating between France and Belgium, Holland and Germany and is used in modified form for the Eurostar between London, Paris and Brussels.

Shares of Alstom rose 1.8 percent to 98.65 euros today. The stock has surged 103 percent this year, giving a market value of 13.6 billion euros ($18 billion).

Some people speak of 550kph, some other hope 600kph. But rail fans in France (just like me :p) all hope that the targeted speed is 600kph. Alstom and SNCF said that 550kph will be enough but we all think that will try to make better just like in 1990!
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From the 14th November 2007, London and Paris will be just over 2 hours away by train. Two of the Greatest Cities on Earth will be forged together. :cheers:

It is now quicker to go between London and Paris by train than it is to travel across many cities during rush hour. :)

St Pancras Website -

London to Paris - 2 hours 15 mins
London to Brussels - 1hr 51 mins
London to Lille - 1hr 20 mins

Does your city have any high speed rail links with other major cities??????
rocky said:
but its expensive
Tickets go on sale for Eurostar’s new St Pancras service
24 July 2007

Eurostar, the high speed passenger train operator that links the UK and the Continent, has today put on sale seats on the very first services from St Pancras International, for travel at 186 mph on the UK’s newly completed high-speed line – High Speed 1.

The first trains from Eurostar’s new London home will run on the morning of Wednesday 14 November. Eurostar will be the first train operator in the world to provide ‘carbon neutral’ journeys for all its travellers, at no extra charge.

From today, travellers can also buy tickets for the final trains from Waterloo International, the original London terminal since Eurostar services began in 1994. Eurostar services to and from Waterloo International will end on Tuesday 13 November.

Tickets for both the first trains from St Pancras and last trains from Waterloo are on sale from 09.00 BST in the UK (10.00 CET on the Continent). Seats are being offered at the normal prices and start from £59 return to Paris or Brussels. Travellers can book via, at Eurostar stations or by contacting their travel agent.
£59 return is hardly expensive.

Standard Class to Paris also starts at £59.
Sadly I believe you :nuts:

Still at least you can manage to write. :eek:hno:
huh? I've never even heard of these two places.

Are they really far away? Two hours by train, sounds far!
St Pancras is right next door to Kings Cross and not far from
Euston, and you will also be able to travel from stations from
in London such as the new Stratford Eurostar Terminal and
outside of London at massive new Ebbsfleet station and Ashford.

Ebbsfleet International Station

Ebbsfleet International is a new Eurostar station a few miles
outside the M25 in Kent, on the Channel Tunnel Rail Link,
which will have a 15 min journey time to St Pancras.

There will be 9,000 car park spaces across six car parks with
3,000 spaces available for domestic passengers.

Ebbsfleet International Station will see 4 Eurostar trains per
hour in peak time with a 15 minute journey time to St Pancras.

Ebbsfleet International Station

Stratford International Station

Stratford International Station will be a massive station
and built in a sunken "box" just to the north of the current
Stratford station (to be known in future as Stratford Regional).

A massive new development called Stratford City is planned
around the new Eurostar station and this is also key to the
London 2012 Olympic bid.

Stratford International Under Construction

Route Map showing Stations.

Ashford International

You forget the other transportation, unless you live at that station, and the destination is that other station...
St Pancras - London

Gare du Nord - Paris

Where is this located in London?
European railways take on low-cost airlines

David Gow in Brussels
Tuesday July 3, 2007
The Guardian,,2117044,00.html

Europe's leading train operators, including Eurostar, yesterday issued a challenge to low-cost airlines with a new alliance to promote faster, cheaper and greener cross-border rail services.

"Trains are back in Europe," Guillaume Pepy, chief executive of French state-owned railways SNCF, said at the launch of Railteam. He said that the combined operators aimed to carry 25 million passengers on Europe's new high-speed network by 2010 compared with fewer than 15 million now.

Railteam mirrors the three big code-sharing alliances set up by the biggest airlines, and comprises Deutsche Bahn, SNCF, Holland's NS Hispeed, Austria's ÖBB, Swiss operator SBB and Belgium's SNCB as well as Eurostar.

It also embraces Thalys - the high-speed Franco-Belgian-Dutch operator - and is a "fourth choice" for travellers after the three airline alliances, according to Mr Pepy. It will initially run to more than 100 cities, growing to 400 destinations and 15,000km by 2020. The marketing alliance aims to grab a 50% share of journeys taking less than four hours for business customers and six hours for leisure travellers .

The companies' chief executives set out plans to halve journey times and make it easier for passengers to cross Europe on new high-speed links such as TGV-Est, the new service from Paris via Strasbourg to Germany, in a €30m (£20m) new distribution system. Travellers will in 2009 be able to buy tickets from, say, Glasgow to Perpignan in a single transaction online.

Eurostar, which has taken market share from airlines because of delays at airports, is offering faster services between Scotland, the north of England and Wales via the new terminal at St Pancras in London to the continent. It has 69% of the market to Paris and 64% of travellers to Brussels.

Richard Brown, Eurostar's chief executive, said he aims to increase through-services to France, including Lyon and Roissy airport, and ski resorts.

Eurostar offers a £59 return to Paris and saw a 13.2% jump in sales in the first quarter. It says it will make its cheapest fares available throughout the network. The new services promise to reduce passengers' carbon footprints as well as matching or beating journey times offered by low-cost airlines on shorter routes. They draw on the experience of Thalys which has killed off scheduled flights between Brussels and Paris by cutting the journey time to one hour and 22 minutes.
Top Ten European Short Rail Breaks

All aboard for the weekend

Ditch the plane for the train and travel Europe with a clear conscience. Train travel expert The Man in Seat 61 lists his top 10 short breaks by rail and our accompanying interactive guide shows you how to take them

Mark Smith
Guardian Unlimited
November 29 2006

Take the train ... and enjoy the spectacular scenery of
the Scottish Highlands. Photograph: Britain on View

Cutting down on short-haul flights and travelling by train could give a new lease of life to your travels as you rediscover a more relaxed and civilised way to go, where the journey becomes part of the fun. Here are my top 10 destinations for long weekends or short breaks from the UK by train.

[HIGHLIGHT]Barcelona and Figueres[/HIGHLIGHT]

Head south from London on the 3pm Eurostar to Paris. There’s just time for a vin rouge in a Parisian cafe before boarding the “trainhotel” to Barcelona. Dinner in the diner, a night snuggled in fresh clean sheets in your sleeper, fresh croissant and coffee in the trainhotel’s cafe-bar, and before you know it you're in central Barcelona, arriving at 8.30am on Saturday.

After a weekend rambling on the Ramblas, gasping at Gaudi and tasting the tapas, the 9pm trainhotel on Sunday night will get you back to central London at 11:55am on Monday. For something different, leave the trainhotel at Figueres, two hours short of Barcelona, find a cafe for breakfast then check out the remarkable Salvador Dali museum. You can visit Dali’s equally remarkable house on the coast at Cadaques a few miles away by bus or taxi.

Eurostar to Paris starts at £59 return, trainhotel fares start at £50 each way in a four-bed sleeper, £75 each way in a two-bed sleeper. There are no airport taxes, no extra to pay to get to and from remote airports, and morning arrivals and evening departures mean a smaller hotel bill than when you fly.

[HIGHLIGHT]Venice and Verona[/HIGHLIGHT]

For sheer romance, few European cities compete with Venice, and there's no more romantic way to get there than by sleeping-car.

Take a lunchtime Eurostar to Paris and climb aboard the Stendhal overnight sleeper to Venice. There’s a restaurant car for dinner with views of rural France swishing past in the moonlight, sleeping-berths in couchettes or more comfortable private sleepers, and an arrival across the causeway into central Venice at 9.30am the next day.

Eurostar to Paris starts at £59 return, fares from Paris to Venice start at £26 each way with a basic couchette for £104 each way in a two-bed sleeper. This can easily be made a two-centre trip, combining a stay in Venice with a day or two in Verona, with its Roman amphitheatre and pleasant piazzas.


An ever-popular short-break destination, it’s easier than ever to reach Ireland the relaxed and traditional way, by train and ferry. The combined train-and-ferry fare from London to Dublin is £24 each way. Believe it or not, that’s the regular fare with unlimited availability, see Cheap fares are available from any British station to any Irish station. For example Oxford to Dublin is £24 each way, Manchester to Dublin £20 each way, Norwich to Cork or Galway £39 each way.

[HIGHLIGHT]Berlin and Colditz[/HIGHLIGHT]

Leave Waterloo on the 6pm Eurostar to Brussels, then switch to a modern German sleeper train which will whisk you overnight to the newly-reborn capital of Germany. A knock on the door next morning announces coffee and croissant delivered to your compartment, in time for a city-centre arrival at 8.30am.

For something different, head south to Leipzig (an hour and a quarter) and visit the infamous castle at Colditz, an hour beyond Leipzig by bus. German Railways (0870 243 5363) offers inclusive Eurostar-plus-sleeper train fares from around £79 each way with couchette, or £95 each way in a two-bed sleeper.


The same 6pm Eurostar and sleeper to Berlin make a convenient connection with the EuroCity train to Prague. It’s a relaxing scenic ride along a pleasant river valley with lunch in the restaurant car, arriving in Prague in early afternoon. The sights of Prague are all the more special when you’ve made the effort to get there overland. Berlin-Prague starts at £23 each way.


The Eternal City is as alluring as ever. Take a lunchtime Eurostar and change in Paris for the Palatino sleeper train to Rome. Linger over dinner in the restaurant car, retire to your sleeper or couchette for the night, and wake to a classic Italian landscape. You’ll catch glimpses of the dome of St Peter’s as the Palatino skirts the city and arrives at the Stazione Termini in the heart of Rome at 9.40am.

Eurostar to Paris starts at £59 return, fares from Paris to Rome start at £26 each way with a basic couchette or £104 each way in a two-bed sleeper.

[HIGHLIGHT]Brussels and Amsterdam[/HIGHLIGHT]

Inclusive fares from London to Amsterdam start at £69 return, by Eurostar to Brussels (two hours 15 minutes) and the hourly InterCity train on to Amsterdam (three hours). You can break your journey for up to 24 hours in Brussels, making it possible to hop a Friday night Eurostar to Brussels for some moules et frites in the Grand Place, then move on to Amsterdam at your leisure on Saturday morning. A Sunday afternoon train from Amsterdam will get you back to London on Sunday night.

[HIGHLIGHT]Munich and Salzburg[/HIGHLIGHT]

If you're a fan of The Sound of Music, head for the hills around Salzburg. The 5.40pm Eurostar to Paris connects comfortably with the excellent German sleeper train to Munich, arriving at 9am the next day. A connecting EuroCity train will get you to Salzburg by 11am.

German Railways offers inclusive Eurostar-plus-sleeper train fares from London to Munich, from around £79 each way with couchette or £95 each way in a two-bed sleeper. Munich-Salzburg is about £19 each way.

[HIGHLIGHT]Krakow and Auschwitz[/HIGHLIGHT]

Leave London on Thursday evening taking the Eurostar and sleeper to Berlin, then take the EuroCity train Wawel from Berlin across Poland to Krakow, arriving Friday evening. Spend Saturday exploring Krakow and its royal castle, Sunday visiting the museums at Osweicim, better know by its German name Auschwitz, an hour to the south by local train. Take the Sunday-night sleeper from Krakow to Berlin then comfortable high-speed trains back to Waterloo arriving on Monday night. A worthwhile plane-free long weekend.

[HIGHLIGHT]Highlands of Scotland[/HIGHLIGHT]

Last but by no means least, don't forget how beautiful our own country can be. It doesn’t get much better than the Highlands of Scotland, and the Caledonian Sleepers ( are easily the most romantic and time-effective way to get there from London and the south.

Leave London late on Friday night and you’ll be in the heart of the Highlands first thing Saturday morning. Bargain berths start at £19 each way complete with a bed for the night, regular apex fares start at £107 return. The scenery you’ll see from the Fort William sleeper is perhaps the best in Britain.

• For more information on travelling Europe and the world by train visit
Waterloo will no longer be a Eurostar Terminal, and a new high speed line has been constructed running through Kent up to Ebbsfleet near Dartford, then across to Stratford in East London and from there to the new Eurostar Terminal at St Pancras. The scheme has cost over £5 Billion, with major tunnels under London, and new bridges etc across Kent, as well as totally new high speed track.

Waterloo is to be used for trains coming in from Kent.
So the extension from Waterloo is complete!
London is around 211 miles from Paris.

The trains go from city centre to city centre.

The trains have a top speed of 186 mph on the track, although they have to slow down to go through the tunnel and on city approaches.

Link to High Speed 1 Website -

:) :cheers:
I think this is excellent news, for some people it takes 2 hours to get into london for work alone

what is the distance between london-paris and whats the top speed for this train?

also where in paris does this train go is it city centre or far away?
Cheers cle :cheers:

Here's a wiki link to the proposed route via Amiens -
The route isn't as the crow flies though - it's fairly circuitous as it heads east to Lille, followed by south west again.

There was talk for a while of a direct route from Paris to Calais via Amiens (they were very annoyed about no Eurostar/TGV link, and Haute Picardie TGV is a complete flop - no Eurostars either). This direct route would knock another 20 mins off the London time, so 1h55.
Sounds like a great trip. :)

Take some pics, if you have time :eek:kay:
Hello everyone!

I'm From Toronto, Canada and this march break(what we call it in Canada..where we get a week of in march) im going to London and Paris with my school! I CAN'T WAIT..I've always wanted to go to those two cities...I'm in grade third year of high school...and were going in a group of around thirty with 3 teachers...We're flying to Paris with Air Canada..staying 4 days in Paris then taking the Train to London(Chunnel I presume?) and staying 3 days there..We're then flying back to Toronto with British Airways...So this new high speed train will be in effect when I come right? I'm so excited about this trip especially because its with my friends! We're going to the Eiffel Tower, Louvre, all the Cathedrals, Versailles, Champs-elisais,arch de triomphe(w/e),and more..then in cathedral, parliament buildings, stonehendge and plenty more i can't remember...cant wait! BYE.

The steam train used in the Harry Potter films was the Olton Hall belonging to the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, some of the scenes were filmed in the Scottish Highlands, and the train does now operate on the Highland Railway and other locations as part of HP Fan Trips (Harry Potter).

HP Fan Trips Website

Sadlly the one in the pic is to far away to tell which type of steam train she is, never mind if she is the Olton Hall.

The Olton Hall

Steam Trains are still run by several UK Companies including the Orient Express Pullman and Northern Belle.

North Yorkshire Moors Railway -

Some UK steam train operators -

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