And, yet again, you entirely miss the point. I'll repeat once more: the bus you're complaining about is NOT 'the' Van Hool bus, it's the specific design AC Transit, and only AC Transit requested. Any other transit authority could specify a completely different bus. You're pinning this supposed dislike of these buses down them being Van Hools, while it has been explained to you time and again that that is not the case. Yet you keep implying it, and that's getting quite tiring, quite honestly.
MISC | Van Hool buses
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AC Transit in Alameda & Contra Costa Counties has purchased and unleashed horrible, in-accessible European buses over the last few years!
1. The Van Hool Buses are very cramped inside.
2. All seats are on foot high pedestals. Aisles are very narrow.
3. Wheelchairs have to be loaded from the middle door.
4. They are not very smooth riding.
5. Wheelchairs cannot see where the bus is as their view is obstructed by the motor. The motor is in the middle of the bus!
6. There are stop request buttons. They don't make as much sense as the chords.
7. People have been injured trying to get to seats on these buses.
8. Many drivers do not like to drive these buses.
9. AC Transit wasted money on these before seeing how the public likes them.
10. They are very expensive.
11. Many buses from the US were scrapped as soon as these were purchased. There won't be any getting rid of these now!
12. They get very hot when you ride them on hot days.
13. AC Transit wants to raise fares and cut service. They blame it on a lack of state funding, but I think it's the Van Hool buses. They payed a lot for them and now it's coming back to haunt them!
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What do you guys think?
1. The Van Hool Buses are very cramped inside.
2. All seats are on foot high pedestals. Aisles are very narrow.
3. Wheelchairs have to be loaded from the middle door.
4. They are not very smooth riding.
5. Wheelchairs cannot see where the bus is as their view is obstructed by the motor. The motor is in the middle of the bus!
6. There are stop request buttons. They don't make as much sense as the chords.
7. People have been injured trying to get to seats on these buses.
8. Many drivers do not like to drive these buses.
9. AC Transit wasted money on these before seeing how the public likes them.
10. They are very expensive.
11. Many buses from the US were scrapped as soon as these were purchased. There won't be any getting rid of these now!
12. They get very hot when you ride them on hot days.
13. AC Transit wants to raise fares and cut service. They blame it on a lack of state funding, but I think it's the Van Hool buses. They payed a lot for them and now it's coming back to haunt them!
What do you guys think?
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Clearly BART Rider's problem is that these buses are not American.
My advise: relax and drink a good 'ol American Budweiser.
My advise: relax and drink a good 'ol American Budweiser.
^I'm a minor. Can't fo that
BTW, I think the only reason other companies in the US would ever buy a Van Hool over an American bus is if VH would create a bus with all seats on the floor and a motor under the floor. And it would have to be a good price and have clear advantages over American models. Otherwise, why not buy an Orion or Gillig or NABI?
BTW, I think the only reason other companies in the US would ever buy a Van Hool over an American bus is if VH would create a bus with all seats on the floor and a motor under the floor. And it would have to be a good price and have clear advantages over American models. Otherwise, why not buy an Orion or Gillig or NABI?
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You probably saw one place claiming it, and a dozen others simply blindly copying the first one's claim. That happens all the time, and it's how rumors are spread.
Here's what likely happened: AC wanted a true low-floor bus, with more doors. None of the North American manufacturers offered that, so they had no choice but to go overseas. Only perfectly normal, I would say. Tell me: if what you want is not offered by anyone in your own country, but IS offered by a foreign company, should you then simply have to settle for a product you don't really want, only because it's American?
Well then that settles it right there then doesn't it? Pretty clear they went out of their way to give American companies a chance to come up with a bus matching the specs. The fact that not a single American company was able or willing to build a bus that every single European transit bus manufacturer would happily deliver speaks volumes about either these companies' capacities or about their complacency.
Bloody hell man, did you read ANYthing I wrote on these four pages in the past few days? Look up these words in my previouw postings: Van Hool A360.
Oh, BTW, two other companies in the US have already bought Van Hool transit buses: Washington DC's circulator operates exclusively with Van Hool buses, similar to AC's, but with air conditioning, and Salt Lake City's MAX BRT, using 40' A300L's with an additional door and equipped for cold weather and high altitudes.
A Van Hool in Utrecht The Netherlands.
I don't have a problem to ride a VH bus. I don't have even problems with any modern busses from European manufactures. I hope to see an American busmanufacture on European soil. Just to see something else.
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I don't have a problem to ride a VH bus. I don't have even problems with any modern busses from European manufactures. I hope to see an American busmanufacture on European soil. Just to see something else.
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