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..to talk about doing something.
I know it's been tried and there were difficulties getting, and keeping, momentum in amidst some interpersonal murky murk etc etc, but the defining feature of this forum, I think, are two duel forces: one of immense potential, and the other, of utter frustation, ultimately resulting in this- fun sometimes, diverting occasionally, but, arguably, a slight waste of energy, and of talent.
Seemingly tedious disagreements or differences via internet messages are, I believe, a real problem of the medium, not of the debate- in other words, the level of thought and the energy different contributors bring to the essential topics we discuss here, would, in real life, result in some really valuable understandings and advance- perhaps energising the likelihood of some constructive channelling of those ideas into action.
I don't however believe repeating the mistake of attempting some quasi-official-style "organisation" via the internet (such as the attempted 21CLiverpool) has any future whatsoever- for now at least.
These are all-encompassing set-ups requiring 24-7 committment, wages and proper interviewing.
None of us are really in a position to commit to unpaid, time-consuming, enthusiast work I would imagine.
However, (and I don't want to sound condescending) it doesn't require much to make a noise in Liverpool. Wayne's essentially created a one-man phantom pressure "group" after all, so I don't see how a collection of individuals can't work out some ways of gaining a public voice and debating space on some of the issues we attempt (inconsequentially, I'd argue) to do on here.
Really, I'm just talking about a drink or two, some great conversation, and perhaps working something manageable out (or not) from there. No expectations, no arbitrary committeeing, just a chilled pooling of ideas.
I'd love to hear a debate between Baboo, GV, Tony, Awayo, Martin, Tom, Tony and whoever else...I think it'd be a great thing.
Thoughts? Could we envisage something in, say, a months time?
Of course, the eternal problem for internet-initiated events is that, naturally, real-life takes over and people start to drop out a couple of days before the event, so with that in mind, who reckons they'd be interested?
I know it's been tried and there were difficulties getting, and keeping, momentum in amidst some interpersonal murky murk etc etc, but the defining feature of this forum, I think, are two duel forces: one of immense potential, and the other, of utter frustation, ultimately resulting in this- fun sometimes, diverting occasionally, but, arguably, a slight waste of energy, and of talent.
Seemingly tedious disagreements or differences via internet messages are, I believe, a real problem of the medium, not of the debate- in other words, the level of thought and the energy different contributors bring to the essential topics we discuss here, would, in real life, result in some really valuable understandings and advance- perhaps energising the likelihood of some constructive channelling of those ideas into action.
I don't however believe repeating the mistake of attempting some quasi-official-style "organisation" via the internet (such as the attempted 21CLiverpool) has any future whatsoever- for now at least.
These are all-encompassing set-ups requiring 24-7 committment, wages and proper interviewing.
None of us are really in a position to commit to unpaid, time-consuming, enthusiast work I would imagine.
However, (and I don't want to sound condescending) it doesn't require much to make a noise in Liverpool. Wayne's essentially created a one-man phantom pressure "group" after all, so I don't see how a collection of individuals can't work out some ways of gaining a public voice and debating space on some of the issues we attempt (inconsequentially, I'd argue) to do on here.
Really, I'm just talking about a drink or two, some great conversation, and perhaps working something manageable out (or not) from there. No expectations, no arbitrary committeeing, just a chilled pooling of ideas.
I'd love to hear a debate between Baboo, GV, Tony, Awayo, Martin, Tom, Tony and whoever else...I think it'd be a great thing.
Thoughts? Could we envisage something in, say, a months time?
Of course, the eternal problem for internet-initiated events is that, naturally, real-life takes over and people start to drop out a couple of days before the event, so with that in mind, who reckons they'd be interested?